I thought I would do this since I was bored. Hopefully some of you might find it interesting. :)

Here are the scores you needed to beat to get into the top 100, 50, 20,10,5 or to get the coveted No.1 spot since GOTM 29.

Since GOTM 29 the GPR points needed to break into the top 100 has increased by a whopping 52 points! :eek: LochNorfarm was ranked at number 100 in the world with a GPR of 75 following GOTM 29. Sandman2003 the new number 100 ranked player following GOTM 33 has a GPR of 127.

A similar pattern emerges when you look further up the rankings where after GOTM 29 Ainwood was the number 50 ranked player with a GPR of 156. Now after GOTM 33 the number 50 ranked player in the world is dhailey with a GPR of 196.

Again at the number 20 slot where grahamiam had a GPR of 265 following GOTM 29. Now to break into the top twenty would require you to do better than Frosties GPR of 297 following GOTM 33. An increase of 32 points.

As yet, the increased competiton has yet to impact the top 10 but it is clearly going to happen with new players such as Toyo moving up fast. And also the return of old players such as Darkness who have returned to compete in the COTM


GOTM 29 GPR
1. ADel 449
5. JustusII 375
10. Kuningas 351
20. Grahamiam 265
50. Ainwood 156
100. LochNorfarm 75

GOTM 30
1. ADel 460
5. Kuningas 379
10. Smackster 316
20. Offa 264
50. GreatDeceiver 164
100. RedwoodTree 78

GOTM 31
1. ADel 451
5. Akots 401
10. Grahamiam 341
20. osi 281
50. GreatDeceiver 174
100. Scoutsout 95

COTM 1
1. ADel 451
5. Akots 401
10. Grahamiam 341
20. zagnut 282
50. MPF 186
100. Dynamic 97

GOTM 32
1. Drazek 459
5. civ_steve 377
10. smackster 347
20. Dianthus 291
50. Mad-bax 190
100. Bob-the-silent 102

COTM 2
1. Drazek 459
5. Grahamiam 370
10. Megalou 351
20. osi 295
50. Great beyond 197
100. sevnhuts 120

GOTM 33
1. Drazek 466
5. civ-steve 384
10. Sir Pleb 358
20. Frosties 297
50. dhailey 196
100. sandman2003 127

Interesting stuff, Sam! :goodjob:

Because GPR is based on percentage of the top score, to me this suggests that the difference is in people playing more consistently; both performance-wise and participation-wise.

Very nice. I've been studying the ranks close since I started with COTM01. There are a lot of new players on the up. But a lot of old player have stop playing.

My position:
COTM01=317
GOTM32=203
COTM02=176
GOTM33=135

I think my rank after I have games @ age 8 will be around 40 to 50. Unless I play better/not better.

I lost COTM03 but got a very high score on GOTM34 10000+

So I will drop and then rise.

I mostly play PtW, so my C3C scores are lower.

Unfortunately, since my PTW disk shattered inside the drive, I wasn't able to finish last month's, and therefore dropped out of the top 200. I had a good game going too, might've even been able to break into the top 100.

I think my rank after I have games @ age 8 will be around 40 to 50. Unless I play better/not better.

I lost COTM03 but got a very high score on GOTM34 10000+


I looked at your GPR score. It is currently 94 points. After the GOTM 34 scores are in - the older scores that make up your GPR will attenuate by in my estimation 11 GPR points. Which will leave them accounting for 83 points of your GPR. But a score of 10K or over in a GOTM is usaully good for at least 85 GPR points. It may even give you the big 100 ;) . But say for now it gives you 85 that will add to your existing 83 from previous games to give you a GPR of 168. Which would currently rank you in the top 60 sixty players.


So I will drop and then rise.

I mostly play PtW, so my C3C scores are lower.

Yeah same here :sad:

Cool, Thanks.

Unfortunately, since my PTW disk shattered inside the drive, I wasn't able to finish last month's, and therefore dropped out of the top 200. I had a good game going too, might've even been able to break into the top 100.

Thats another symptom of the GPR becoming more competitive. Miss a game or two and your ranking plummets. There are now lots of players on the second page with GPR points of over 100. A number of those player have only been playing the COTM. Once the results of the next COTM come out the points required to get on the first page will probably go up again. Although, because the COTM was at demigod players might not have scored as well as they might have if it had been a regent or monarch game.

GOTM 34 is a regent game and might get you some good points. No matter how well you score it is unlikely to get you on the first page. But it will help to position you to make a move into the top 100 in GOTM 35.

More ponderings on the GPR

GOTM34

1. Drazek 471
5. smackster 393
10. Wotan 376
20. zamint3 308
50. Bigfoot 203
100. Vox[SU] 127

There have been a number of milestones reached in the GPR following GOTM 34 notably by the world number one player Drazek who set a new record high GPR points total eclipsing Sir Plebs old record by 0.4 of a point.

Also, when I first entered in the GOTM ( GOTM 17) there was only one player with a GPR of over 300 - the erstwhile Queen of the GOTM Moonsinger who at that time had a GPR of 355. There are now 22 players with GPRs of over 300 points. In order to break into todays top twenty you would need to score higher than zamint3s 308 GPR points.

Wotans GPR of 376 represents a new high score at the number 10 position. Which if part of a trend may mean that in future players may need to achieve a GPR of over 400 to be sure of a place in the top ten.

I'm going to write some more stuff on the GPR but I have to do some research first :) .

Hey, sam, I've just realized you've overtaken me! Hopefully that will be "fixed" by the CGOTM04 results ;). (I reckon I'll be on ~345.7 then).

That score by Drazek is pretty amazing. That means he is averaging 94.2% of the best score over those games!

I've just looked back a few games to see where my current score would have ranked me, and yes, top 10 looks much more achievable in the past. I'm guessing that is due to the top players submitting more consistently, and being much closer to the number 1 score each month.

Hmm, time for some mischief :mischief:. It's "interesting" that Drazek's best score for Ages 0 to 2 are all in Classic. I wonder why that is? Could it be that the competition is a lot fiercer for the C3C game? :mischief:

Doh! Thanks for editing my post Alan.

Yes, you will pass me Dianthus. :sad: But I am enjoying my current lead on you....immensely :smug: :)

I'm not sure about Drazek. He seems to be equally unlucky in both the classic and COTM IMO. He has been pipped to the gold recently in both tournaments. Also, it is his score as a percentage of the top score in a particular game that is taken into account for calculating his GPR. Not how big his jason scores are compared to other games he has played.

Personally, I have more trouble with the COTM than the GOTM. The reason I haven't scored a top twenty game in the COTM is simply because I have played badly IMO. It may be that competition is fiercer in the COTM but since I have yet to submit a game that for me would be well played I can't really get a feel for the competition levels. I would hazard that an attempt to determine which of the tournaments is more " competitive" by statistical methods would result in faulty conclusions.

Hey, sam, I've just realized you've overtaken me! Hopefully that will be "fixed" by the CGOTM04 results ;). (I reckon I'll be on ~345.7 then).


You two just wait until I catch the both of you.... ;)

Oh, wait, I dropped in the rankings... :blush:
But don't worry, the COTM4 results should fix that. :D

There have been a number of milestones reached in the GPR following GOTM 34 notably by the world number one player Drazek who set a new record high GPR points total eclipsing Sir Plebs old record by 0.4 of a point.
Ouch!!! Thank you (I think ;) ) for pointing that out. It seems that something must be done...

Hmm, time for some mischief :mischief:. It's "interesting" that Drazek's best score for Ages 0 to 2 are all in Classic. I wonder why that is? Could it be that the competition is a lot fiercer for the C3C game? :mischief:
One reason is that in COTM I play for Awards and in GOTM for Medals.

But I haven't even started COTM04/GOTM35 yet, and I'm not sure if I play them.

Ouch!!! Thank you (I think ;) ) for pointing that out. It seems that something must be done...

No problemo! :) It looks like Drazek wasn't too thrilled either!

You two just wait until I catch the both of you.... ;)


Yeah! 2010 and can't come soon enough for me! :p ;) Flying cars aswell :)

Has anyone looked at the effect with and without taking the higher of the 2 monthly csc and classic scores? I wonder if some of the effect is the lower scores being tossed out.

Yeah! 2010 and can't come soon enough for me! :p ;) Flying cars aswell :)

Well, they do say that patience is a virtue.... ;)

Since last month 14 players have broken into the top 100 these are
Vox[SU] in at number 100. Sir_Ortin at number 97. Durkz at number 93. Tim Bentley at number 91. NukeCDR at number 87. Kimmy Da Brit at number 85. qpdaj at number 81. Lamprey at number 78. bed_head7 at number 76. sevnhuts at number 75. zinad at number 74. grs at number 71. dvandenberg at number 64. And the highest new entry, narrowly pipping dvandenberg, is delmar at number 62.

Being new at Gotm and Cotm I was wondering, how the scoring is done for the world rankings. I picked up that it somehow has to do with your percentile finishing for the games you've played in. Does this mean that someone that has played every gotm will be higher than someone what only has time for the one a month? Also what is the minimum or average amount of gotm's that you think a person would need to breech the top 100? Also when are the scores released. I just completed Cotm4.

Being new at Gotm and Cotm I was wondering, how the scoring is done for the world rankings. I picked up that it somehow has to do with your percentile finishing for the games you've played in.

The GPR points you are credited with for a GOTM are the jason points you score for that game taken as a percentage of the top scoring players jason points.

Does this mean that someone that has played every gotm will be higher than someone what only has time for the one a month?

You can play once a month and get to the No.1 position. But playing in both the COTM and GOTM gives you two chances to play a high scoring game.The highest of which (the highest percentage score relative to the top score) will count towards your Global Playering Ranking while the other is discarded. The process by which GOTM scores are aged means that there is some biweekly fluctuation in some players rankings as different GOTMs and COTMs are paired with each other.


Also what is the minimum or average amount of gotm's that you think a person would need to breech the top 100?

From Alans GOTM statistics page the average jason score as a percentage of the top score is in the region of 50 - 60 % for recent GOTMs which equates to 50 - 60 GPR points. This month in order to get into the top 100 you would have to do better than Vox[SU]s GPR of 127 which means that on average it will take 3 months to break into the top 100.

Also when are the scores released. I just completed Cotm4.

The moderators decide when the results are released. Recently it has been around the 5-7th of the month for COTMs. Sometimes if there are player conduct issues to be addressed then the release date can be pushed back as suspect games are put under the microscope.

One way you have yet cut and diced this information is to pose the question - what if everyone had played games to fill in all nine slots, how would this then affect the standings?

That is, since the existing data rewards regular play (and rightfully so too, I might add), how would everyone compare if we extrapolated the existing results so that for all missed games the competitors were awarded an average GPR based on those games they have actually submitted, and the ultimate results reordered accordingly.

Naturally when one starts thinking like this their are a few decisions to be made.
1) Should form be individually tracked in the classic and the conquests competition, and then recombined, or just use the best results? Given the fact that some of the top players have elected to deliberately go for points in one game, and variations in the other, this would unfairly penalise such players, so the interpolated score was based on the best between the two games.

2) A cut off point was needed somewhere to reduce the distortion caused by one off players, so I chose the first 100 players as a good guideline.

3) The interpolated values were only used when a game had not been submitted that month, otherwise actual values were applied.

The first ever (and probably last) extrapolated top ten are:

1. Dynamic with 496.222
2. Sir Pleb with 479.863
3. Drazek with 471.874
4. Toyo with 469.986
5. ADel with 461.056
6. Kunningas with 455.996
7. akots with 452.501
8. mad-bax with 450.273
9. Ronald with 448.924
10. bradleyfeanor with 445.328

Of course, I probably would not have bothered to dd this exercise unless it meant that I was going to get a bunch more points - I end up 49th!

:eek: OH MY GOD! I'm number 10! I'm number 10! [dance]

Sandman, you are now my new favorite person in the world. :love:

Thanks for the explaination. It help in my goal for future world domination. :D

Good post Sandman2003!
Hopefully M-B will remain tied up with the SGOTM. Ronald will play OCC and 3CC as he said he will. Toyo and dynamic will continue to play intermitently. If all this happens who knows who could slip into the top 10 :mischief: .

OH MY GOD! I'm number 10! I'm number 10!...
Congrats, bf. Your name got dropped in THE name-dropping thread.

Now maybe you should update your tag line - Warlord :hmm:

bradleyfeanor - if you play five more months in a row with the same results you are getting now, then you will be in the top ten for real.

Good post Sandman2003!
Hopefully M-B will remain tied up with the SGOTM. Ronald will play OCC and 3CC as he said he will. Toyo and dynamic will continue to play intermitently. If all this happens who knows who could slip into the top 10 :mischief: .
samildanach - I can see where this comes from - you were one of the big movers after my extrapolation exercise!

More ponderings on the GPR
There are now 22 players with GPRs of over 300 points. In order to break into todays top twenty you would need to score higher than zamint3s 308 GPR points.


The competition is getting tougher each game. Now (after GOTM35) there are already 29 players with a GPR of over 300 points! A top 20 position requires more than 324 points now!

Very impressive, people! :goodjob:

Only 1 person pointed out that this could be something to with that there are now 2 games at each age for recent games. Counting the best score between COTM and GOTM will allow for anomolies such as a barb killing an early settler or even a very early conquest lost can be entirely offset by playing well in the 'other' games that bracket the bad performance.

A smaller bit of math that also factors in is that 2 different people now score 100 each month. As the top players usually score in the 90%+ range with normal variations. Lets call it 5% variation for each age and we'll devide by 2 again for the average of COTM and GOTM for 2.5% per game age. This would represent an average gain of 8 points now and 12.5 points once we have 9 COTMs in the table.
My statistical analysis is a bit rusty, so some of these numbers are WAGs.
What's a WAG you might ask: WAG = Wild A** Guess

I think we will see the trend for higher scores start to level back off once there are 9 COTMS in the table.

Only 1 person pointed out that this could be something to with that there are now 2 games at each age for recent games.

It does other things too. When I saw GOTM35 results (I did not play this one), I went to global raiting to see how far I felt.
What a surprise it was to see that I actualy jumped from 150th place to 88th place.
The resaon is that AlanH is changing game pairing, so both of my recent games are taken in account now.
But I did not realize that this means that you can go up in raiting without playing :lol:

The resaon is that AlanH is changing game pairing, so both of my recent games are taken in account now.
But I did not realize that this means that you can go up in raiting without playing
My handmaiden, P-H-P, does it actually :crazyeye: I told her what to do a couple of months ago and she just gets on with it.

Wait a couple of weeks and it'll straighten out again. Or wait a month if you like it the way it is. If you want to compare like with like you should look at the rankings once a month, like those of us who can only play once a month. If you want to feel good, just look at it every time you get a good score.

The competition is getting tougher each game. Now (after GOTM35) there are already 29 players with a GPR of over 300 points! A top 20 position requires more than 324 points now!

Very impressive, people! :goodjob:

Yes. Competition is getting stiffer further down the rankings as well. Civgeeks GPR of 150 represents a new high at that position and is double what you would have needed to beat to get into the top 100 a few months ago. Also CdBs GPR of 226 is new high at the number 50 position.

GOTM 35
1. Kuningas 468
5. smackster 408
10. Drazek 378
20. Demiurge 324
50. CdB 226
100. Civgeek 150

Yeah! 2010 and can't come soon enough for me! :p ;) Flying cars aswell :)

I think I saw a flying car this morning.... :p ;) Must have slept for 6 years then.... :lol:

I think I saw a flying car this morning.... :p ;)

Cool aren't they! :D

Must have slept for 6 years then.... :lol:

Nah! That's what happens when you go histographic. The years just fly by. :)

Congrats :goodjob:

What is GPR?
thanks
LeSphinx

Global Player Rankings. You can get to the rankings from the main GOTM page, but here's a quick link : http://gotm.civfanatics.net/rankings/global.php

Oups :mischief:
Thanks Dianthus
LeSphinx

I just noticed, that even though my score has doubled since GOTM 31, I've dropped about 50 rankings. This month isn't gonna help either...

Since I don't have conquests(yet), how comparable are GOTM/COTM difficulties in the same month?

Since I don't have conquests(yet), how comparable are GOTM/COTM difficulties in the same month?
The difficulties are intentionally not the same. That doesn't mean you're any better off playing one rather than the other though. Your score is relative to the best players score, so if you score higher on a low difficulty level you can bet that the best players score higher as well, so your relative score would be about the same.

The main effect of having two games a month at different difficulty levels will be on players who might lose the higher difficulty game but win the other one. If, like me, you only play one game, then you have to take your lumps if your only game is deity and you lose it.

There are two factors which have nothing to do with players abilities that are helping push up GPR at the moment.

1) The removal of ageing by difficulty level. Pre-conquests, the different difficulty levels had different ageing attributed to them. If I understand the older system correctly, Deity games were aged over nine months, but emperor were aged over eight, monarchy over seven and regent over six. The impact on expected GPR scores from this is quite significant. Now the maximum possible GPR is 500. Under the prior system the maximum available would vary a little bit depending on the difficulties played, but as an example, using the last nine classic games (from GOTM37, backwards), the maximum GPR would have been 412.5

Thus ageing all games over the same nine months results in approx 21% increase in GPR.

2) The ability to pick your best of two games in the month. This results in a smaller impact than 1 above, but nonetheless important, especially given that the games are played on different difficulty levels. The impact from this is also greater for us moderate players, versus the elite who consistently score in the top ten, since the elite will be getting the top scores on both difficulties. On the other hand, the moderate players score is likely to be spread more on the harder difficulty levels.

eg, My current GPR is 311.74, but if I could only use score from the COTMs, then my GPR would be 292.015, or GOTMs 294.098 for an approx 6.4% improvement.

Eg2, for an elite player, eg SirPleb, current GPR is 424.474. Using COTMs plus pre COTM1 GOTMs results in 417.517, or GOTMs 392.438 for an approx 4.8% improvement.

So between these two effects there is a rise in GPR of about 27%, without considering the competitivew level to have increased. Also, if you were to consistently play only one series, I don't think there is any evidence to suggest that you would score better using GOTM or COTM as your chosen series.

The difficulties are intentionally not the same. That doesn't mean you're any better off playing one rather than the other though. Your score is relative to the best players score, so if you score higher on a low difficulty level you can bet that the best players score higher as well, so your relative score would be about the same.
That is the case on a game-by-game basis, but since this thread is about the GPR, AlanH is on the mark. The player who can only participate in one event is at a decided disadvantage with the current method of oscillating between a difficult and easy game in each contest within a month. However I do understand the advantages of this method for the simple reason that it increases player participation. I'm dreading seeing how far my GPR will drop after submitting a loss in GOTM37 though.

Sorry for reviving this old topic but I think SirPleb's new record GRP score of 483.980 deserves some mentioning! This means he's averaging a whopping 96.7% of the best score! :goodjob: Awesome results!

Sorry for reviving this old topic but I think SirPleb's new record GRP score of 483.980 deserves some mentioning! This means he's averaging a whopping 96.7% of the best score! :goodjob: Awesome results!

I also notified this but did't know where to write. :rolleyes:
Now I grew to 3-d place :D and only unsubmitted GOTM33 pull me down. ;)

It kinda looks like I have reached the end of the line. Only one direction to go from here, and it certainly isn't up. Not only is there a big knight with a scary sword in the way, but enemies are approaching rather dynamically from behind! :)

It kinda looks like I have reached the end of the line. Only one direction to go from here, and it certainly isn't up. Not only is there a big knight with a scary sword in the way, but enemies are approaching rather dynamically from behind! :)

Don't be despondent bradleyfeanor! You play very well and fortune is very changeable. :king:

... Now I grew to 3-d place :D and only unsubmitted GOTM33 pull me down. ;)

Well, me is also fluctuating from number 2 to number 10 due to missing 2 games in a row.

SirPleb's consistency is quite noteworthy! The only hope that mere mortals have of reaching the top spot is if SirPleb hears the siren call of the HOF again! (Maybe to go Beyond Beyond-Sid ;) )

To reach the lofty heights of a Top-10 spot will require consistent submittals of just over 80% average (based on Akots score).

It kinda looks like I have reached the end of the line. Only one direction to go from here, and it certainly isn't up. Not only is there a big knight with a scary sword in the way, but enemies are approaching rather dynamically from behind! :)

Your modesty was noticed before, after your BC won in COTM5, if I am not mistaken ;)
But c'mon, even if you doubt that you can beat the teacher, he sometimes also skips games.

I will use the opportunity to say that I aslo very happy with fluctuations, for a first time I got in top 20.

The competition is getting tougher each game. Now (after GOTM35) there are already 29 players with a GPR of over 300 points! A top 20 position requires more than 324 points now!

That quote is from back in October. Now it is up to 354 points! I am guessing that the rise will start to taper off now that the dual games (best score of CoTM/GoTM) have run the length of the table.

To "he who lives by the big salty lake": Congrats on making the top 20!

It's pretty easy for me to be "modest." Even though I put everything I have into some of these games--taking a VERY long time and debating the action of every little worker--I usually get beaten (not one gold medal!), and often by someone who finished the game in 1/3 the time it took me.

SirPleb's ability to play a great game every single time amazes me. And Dynamic--I have beaten him to domination once and only once. And it was a distinct case of it being the first time he had ever played C3C. :lol: He wasn't familiar with any of the changes and only learned them through the course of his game--and I still only finished a few turns before him!

There are some very impressive newish players coming up also. MiniMe and A'Abarach spring to mind. MiniMe has set an insane research pace in the last few games, and I have yet to figure out how to match it.

Overall, the competition in GoTM is pretty amazing. :goodjob: I only wish we could get more newbies to play and post. I suspect many people play the game but decide not to post in the spoilers. Maybe because they are still learning and are a bit intimidated by the games of the top players. They should post though, because there is no better way to learn than to post your game and then get advice from all the knowledgeable people in the forum. If it had not been for all the advice I have received in the last year, I wouldn't be anywhere near the top of the GPR table.

:eek: OH MY GOD! I'm number 10! I'm number 10! [dance]


It is my turn to dance :dance:
BTW I found myself in a very intimate company:

8 Wotan 435.923
9 A'AbarachAmadan 435.475
10 Solenoozerec 434.555
11 EsatP 433.355

Congratulations Solenoozerec! It is very well deserved. :king: You are in an extremely competitive postion: only 2.5 points separate all 4 of you guys. A margin that small could change over the tiniest of decisions, like whether to build another early granary or a library. :)

I'd like to congratulate Dynamic in this thread as well. A 98% result on average would be astounding under any circumstances, but he has managed to do it while also pursuing the eptathlon award. :eek: :hatsoff: The guy has amazing skills.

Thank you, Bradleyfeanor! Now we have some other very good players, who can increase my score like you, klarius and hendrikszoon who now has not full 9 games stream, but has very strong results.