Here's the guy : knight Robert de Dampierre ( 1320-1391 ). He would be a good model for a walloon feudal knight. :D

http://www.malemort.net/mlm/images/new/rober.gif

He was the son of Count Jean II of Namur, the young brother of Count Guillaume the Rich.

More about him ( in french ) http://www.malemort.net/mlm/a_frp.htm

And here's the flag of the Count of Namur. It's related to the flemish flag because the Dampierre were also Count of Flanders in a time.

http://asmi2.dyndns.org/cyber-flag/Drapeaux/Namur2.gif


Thanks :)

Don't make me want to add a Belgium civ, boy. I haven't enough room ;)

Don't make me want to add a Belgium civ

I don't want Belgium as a civ. I don't even want it as a country :D But I'll add Wallonia and Flanders, for sure ;)

This unit request is for my feudal low countries mod with Holland ( and not Netherlands ), Friesland, Zeeland, Limbourg, Flanders, Namur, Hainaut, Liège, Luxembourg, Artois,...

If you aren't in a hurry I could make it :) I am already working on some knights, so one more would be accectable....if you agree I could make the red stripe that goes across the black lion (?) civ colored.

Thank you !!!!!! :)

Actually, I would prefer the flag ( red strip on a black lion with yellow backgroung ) to stay so. But if it's easier for you, i'ts not a problem.

And I'm not in a hurry ;)

Nope it is no problem to make it oin another way. I just think it shouldn't come totally without civ colors. But I can put them some where else, for example, I could also make the feathers on his helmet in civ color, or another part. I'll post a preview once I have something ready (where I posted my other knight).....

You could always make the enitre yellow part civ-specific. Then, for the low-lands scenerio, this civilization's color could just be yellow.

I'd also love to see a knight like that. What other knights are you also working on, btw?

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2076559&postcount=16

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2112391&postcount=21

Good drooling ;)

If you aren't in a hurry I could make it :) I am already working on some knights, so one more would be accectable....if you agree I could make the red stripe that goes across the black lion (?) civ colored.

More Knights! thats great news Bebro! Your Knights are works of art! :goodjob: :goodjob:

MaisseArsouye, I could help you with that European scenerio/mod idea...It would make a good conquest(Be sure to include Andora, Castile, Luxemburg and the kingdoms that existed before the larger current European Nations.(and some still exist) )

Bebro's Knights plus the AoK's Knights and Hussar means plenty of Knights to play with,... :goodjob:

MaisseArsouye, I could help you with that European scenerio/mod idea...It would make a good conquest

Thank you :)

Be sure to include Andora, Castile, Luxemburg and the kingdoms that existed before the larger current European Nations.(and some still exist)

Actually, I was working on a mod centered on the low countries : Holland ( and not Netherlands ), Friesland, Zeeland, Limbourg, Flanders, Namur, Hainaut, Liège, Luxembourg, Artois,... With a new benelux map I made. I didn't plan to make a whole feudal europe mod...

But your idea is excellent :goodjob: We can work on both. I think it's not a problem.

Holy Toledo it's utahjazz!!! :eek: :eek:

Thank you :)



Actually, I was working on a mod centered on the low countries : Holland ( and not Netherlands ), Friesland, Zeeland, Limbourg, Flanders, Namur, Hainaut, Liège, Luxembourg, Artois,... With a new benelux map I made. I didn't plan to make a whole feudal europe mod...

But your idea is excellent :goodjob: We can work on both. I think it's not a problem.

Both wouldn't be a problem either...you can PM me anytime if you'd like to start making plans for it.

DP: Yes...a rare Wild Utahjazz sighting.... :eek: quite the rare priviledge to see a Utahjazz in it's natural habitat.

I suppose he found an internet connexion in Germany. Or best, he's back :)

Or perhaps he never went to see Bebro to begin with..... :mischief: That doesn't really matter though..Good to see you Jazz.

Well, I'm home now. I got back to Toledo about 48 hours ago, unfortunately. I really wish I was still in Germany. I'm quite tired, and school started today. But, I'm working on rendering the models that I made this summer. Now that I'm home, I can finally turn them into working CivIII units--not just Poser models.

On topic: Bebro, those knight models look great. The detail on them is really quite impressive.

I have no problem with Knights...the more the merrier..If you want to make Knight packs like crazy like you did the Riflemen...go right ahead..its like looking at beutiful works of art...

Hey Utah. Nice you are back.

I did not answer you before because I did not understand you could "work" in Germany so I decided to wait for your coming back. But the model was fine with me (you know for what) !

I have no problem with Knights...the more the merrier..If you want to make Knight packs like crazy like you did the Riflemen...go right ahead..its like looking at beutiful works of art...

Yeah, knights are cool. Although I doubt that I'll reach the high rate of releases I had when I made the infantry guys anytime soon again....:D

I don't want Belgium as a civ. I don't even want it as a country :D But I'll add Wallonia and Flanders, for sure ;)

This unit request is for my feudal low countries mod with Holland ( and not Netherlands ), Friesland, Zeeland, Limbourg, Flanders, Namur, Hainaut, Liège, Luxembourg, Artois,...
Hmmm, if that knight bares the Flag of Flanders why using such for a Wallon knight ??

Hmmm, if that knight bares the Flag of Flanders why using such for a Wallon knight ??

Good question ;)

The Count of Flanders, the Count of Hainaut and the Count of Namur where sometimes from the same familly ( as the Dampierre ). This is why the flags of these counties have all a black lion on a yellow background. These flags are slightly different but they have the same familly origin.

In modern time, Flanders still exist and choose the black lion as a flag. You can see it in quite every cicling races :D. Counties of Hainaut and Namur now are walloon provinces and Wallonia didn't existed as a unified state in feudal times. They still have the ancient flags as provinces, but the walloon flag is different and based on the colours of the principalty of Liège, wich was a walloon independant state for 800 years... :crazyeye:

I choosed Robert de Dampierre, from Namur as a model of feudal knight. He made a lot of battles and was famous as a brave knight. I could have asked him with a walloon cock, but it isn't historically correct. And my goal is not to use him as a walloon knight but as a Knight of Namur in my feudal low countries scenario. So, I asked bebro a knight with the flag of Namur, wich is close to the flag of Flanders.

Well, it was a long answer but I think it's as clear as possible. ;)

I c- quite some historic entanglement in a bag there... ;) I would have thought you wanted to got for a Knight for the Wallons and one for the Flamish (my own Low Country History background is a bit rusty, U see)

I c- quite some historic entanglement in a bag there... ;) I would have thought you wanted to got for a Knight for the Wallons and one for the Flamish (my own Low Country History background is a bit rusty, U see)

Well, Belgian history is like this from Carolus Magnus to 1830. Just have mercy of these poor belgian students... :crazyeye:

In a ideal world having about eight Bebros, I would ask a specific knight for every county, and there are a lot :D


EDIT : my goal is not to make a "walloons against flemishs" mod. It would make no sense. I prefer to fit history.

Maybe you can help an amateur history/geography buff out... What/Where is Wallon? A state in the Low Countries region? I did a search and all the links were either not in English or about a virus with that name.

Belgium :)

So where did the name Wallon come from? Or Belgium for that matter... Maybe I should look into a little Medieval European history (I mostly stick to Ancient history and Prehistory).

The English name is Walloon. My theory is that the name means land in the west. Belgium was named after a Celtic tribe. I know that from a Asterix comic. :)

The Belgae by any chance ;)?

You know, that Belgium Waffles are some of the best in the world....

Sure, and the Belgian French fries ain't too bad either :D

No actually one style of waffles is....nevermind

Is there a country in Europe which a Green Knight would fit?

Well knights had their own colours and were usualy non-country specific in their heraldry...

Thats true..what would happen if two knights with the same colors were to meet? Is it just Colors or pattern as well? Generally, from what I know, Knights also wore their family crest. I know my own family has a family crest, and from what I know, most European people or European descended people also possess their own family crests.

actualy only nobles had the right to an own family crest- only with the decadence of aristocracy late 19th century, private persons were allowed to get crests.

The colour, pattern, shape, angles, symbols, and shield guardians, the helmet and its adornations are used to differentiate the crests from one another.

Oh..My bad..I keep forgetting there was no Middle Class during the Middle Ages...

Maybe you can help an amateur history/geography buff out... What/Where is Wallon? A state in the Low Countries region? I did a search and all the links were either not in English or about a virus with that name.

OK

The 'low countries" are the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg. Belgium is located on the romance/germanic cultural border. In the north, Flemishs speaks dutch. In the south, Walloons speak french. There also is a german-speaking minority in eastern Wallonia. Because of this Belgium is a federal country with many power to regions : Flanders, Wallonia and Brussels ( bilingual ). These regions works like little states with their own parliament, government, laws,...

In the past, Wallonia never was a independant unified state. It was a puzzle of feudal countries. The most powerful of these was the Principalty of Liège.

http://users.skynet.be/maissearsouye/institutions/in_belgique.gif

There's more information on my website... but in french... ;)

OK

The 'low countries" are the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg. Belgium is located on the romance/germanic cultural border. In the north, Flemishs speaks dutch. In the south, Walloons speak french. There also is a german-speaking minority in eastern Wallonia. Because of this Belgium is a federal country with many power to regions : Flanders, Wallonia and Brussels ( bilingual ). These regions works like little states with their own parliament, government, laws,...

In the past, Wallonia never was a independant unified state. It was a puzzle of feudal countries. The most powerful of these was the Principalty of Liège.

http://users.skynet.be/maissearsouye/institutions/in_belgique.gif

There's more information on my website... but in french... ;)
Tell a Flamish he speak Dutch and you should be in trouble :lol: same as telling a Dutch he merely speaks a German dialect... you either need very good argumentation skills or to be a good runner.

Tell a Flamish he speak Dutch and you should be in trouble :lol: same as telling a Dutch he merely speaks a German dialect... you either need very good argumentation skills or to be a good runner.

I know they speak flemish dialects. But the official language of Flanders is ABN, isn't it ? It's like in Wallonia, some people here still speak french and walloon ( I do ), but french is the only official language. So, I simplified for people who don't know Belgium. ;)

ABN? (10 letters non the wiser)

ABN ? Flamish spraak nederlands :)

ABN = Algemeen Beschaafd Nederlands = "standard dutch".

(Ger.) Allgemein beschaffenes Niederländisch ;) cheers!

I knew most of the general stuff about the low-countries... I had just never heard of Wallon before. Odd how some things never get mentioned when you're studing these things :D