My trade deals were trashed when my nieghbour delcared war on me. I now cannot trade my luxuries for cash so I know my rep is trashed.

The question is this - can it get any worse?

Would I be any worse if I say - traded for peace with my trecherous neighbour, and then promptly declared war again.

If my neighbours forgive me after a period of time then its probably not worth it, but I need to get them back.

Once its gone its gone. However, there are slight differences between your rep for GPT deals, peace deals, alliances, ROP etc. So you can usually get an alliance after breaking GPT rep, but after breaking alliance rep, the next civ will want a lot for the next alliance.

Edit : I've been doing some testing on reputation, just as I think I understand it I find that it doesn't work the way I suspect. This is on Conquests, I wonder if anyone else has noticed anything up with reputation on Conquests. I have to do more testing before I can post anything.

i just found out something. When a human breaks an alliance treaty, it takes more for us to get an alliance. When the AI breaks an alliance with us, it takes more for us to get the same AI into an alliance again. I often find myself selling furs for a dirt cheap price just so the AI would not break our alliance. It really makes me angry how the AI's rep is never damaged when it breaks a deal.

So in summary I might lose something if I broke a peace deal (i.e. my ability to get alliances again) but by ability to sell and buy resources and GPT is probably gone for good.

You can still buy and sell in per turn deals with the civs that are at war with the one you betrayed. They like the fact that you did that to their enemy. So it's in your best interest to keep that civ alive (the one you betrayed).

You can still buy and sell in per turn deals with the civs that are at war with the one you betrayed. They like the fact that you did that to their enemy. So it's in your best interest to keep that civ alive (the one you betrayed).
Are you sure about that? I don't think its true, but I'll test that one out when I get through GOTM34. One thing I found in my testing is that as there are many factors that decide reputation so its difficult to prove the way it works unless you get a good test game, make saves and reload to prove what happened, this is what I've been doing recently and I've already found some nuances of reputation that I would never have believed.

Yes, I am sure. I have seen it a lot in my SG's.

So in summary I might lose something if I broke a peace deal (i.e. my ability to get alliances again) but by ability to sell and buy resources and GPT is probably gone for good.
One thing I know for sure if that the absolute value of a tech is not affected by reputation. For instance if the AI will give you Invention for 750 Gold, or say 42 GPT with perfect reputation, after you break it you can still get it for 750 Gold, but not any GPT. Attitude does seem to affect the price in some instances, so if breaking your rep changes their attitude then you might see the absolute price change.

Yes, I am sure. I have seen it a lot in my SG's.
I'll certainly add that test. I'm a bit concerned right now that reputation has been broken in C3C (who would be suprised at that), but have some more testing to do to prove it, as usual I think it works a certain way but when I test it I can't get it to go the way I want (or think it should), I'm testing in PTW too as the ultimate proof.

smackster

You may test it, but SG's I played in (AG08, 5 vs the world, AG12) were convincing enough for me. You can find them when you choose the link in my sig...

Can you do me a favor and find me the page where you have a save that I can see it. I'll happily use that for this test.

On this page (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=83980&page=3&pp=40) gozpel tainted our rep (dealings with the Vikings who lost their harbor town) and we could then only deal with the civs that were at war with them.

If I understood it correctly, he made a deal that required a harbor to harbor route with the Vikings. Somebody conquered their city with a harbor cutting off the trade route and game interpreted it to mean that you reneged on the deal? Thats just not right if that's the case.

I had fun with the Russians on my first Monarch game, though. They declared war on me and I signed a military alliance with the Koreans against them. Those bastards betrayed me and signed a peace treaty soon after. After I conquered some Russian cities with some Riders, I tried again with the Koreans. This time, they didn't sign a peace treaty with Russia. While we were mopping up, they signed a military alliance against Russia with the Byzantines. Byzantines signed a military alliance against Russia with the Hittites who signed a military alliance with the Mongols against Russia. I may have gotten the order of the last three wrong but there are now 5 nations at war with Russia all because they declared war on me for refusing to give them chivalry.

If I understood it correctly, he made a deal that required a harbor to harbor route with the Vikings. Somebody conquered their city with a harbor cutting off the trade route and game interpreted it to mean that you reneged on the deal? Thats just not right if that's the case.

It may not be fair, but it is how it works in CIV3. But the point if this example is that we only could trade with the civs that were at war with the Vikings.

EDIT: I must point out that if we had ruined our rep in another trade with another civ besides this one, we wouldn't be able to deal. They will only overlook the betrayal of the Vikings. So if we would have betrayed the Vikings and India and the Russians only are at war with the vikings, they still won't trust us. So in that sense you can hurt your rep even more after you did it once.

It may not be fair, but it is how it works in CIV3. But the point if this example is that we only could trade with the civs that were at war with the Vikings.
What about at the end of that war? Or is that asking too much, I will try this, but later.

smackster

At the end of a war we would have a ruined rep again, until there would be a new war with the Vikings. What's even worse: elimination of the Vikings. The rest of the world will then forever remember our betrayal!