Was it right for the European Americans to take the land of the Native American like the Iroquois? Was it right to take the land of the land that is not yours.

Why were the Iroquois ousted and replaced with the Name United "states" of America; When Cleary the States were already united under the Iroquois? :confused:

Hmmm...

Firstly, the Iroquois to my reccollection mostly only controlled sections of the North East of the North American continent, and even in their area or around it there was many other tribes such as the Huron for example. Beyond this you have large numbers of tribes in other areas, the "plains" indians for example were split into maybe 1/2 a dozen seperate large tribes, and they controlled just one section of the continent. So in a very real way, the Iroquois never did control anything like a united states of America, there was always other tribes and other powers to contest this dominance.

On the other hand, european/american treatment of the native american tribes was pretty disgusting throughout the last few centuries, a long and bloody history with bad actions from both sides, though the "whiteman" was pretty disgustingly brutal for a bunch of people claiming to follow the teachings of God and Jesus.

Hmmm...
On the other hand, european/american treatment of the native american tribes was pretty disgusting throughout the last few centuries, a long and bloody history with bad actions from both sides, though the "whiteman" was pretty disgustingly brutal for a bunch of people claiming to follow the teachings of God and Jesus.

When the Iroquois shock the hands of the White pilgrims (The European Americans) and embraced Christianity...in my opinion that was the beginning of their downfall. Although siding with the British and fighting Americans was a rather a “Bad” move…in the End the Iroquois were dog piled.

Was it right for the Iroquois to eliminate neighboring tribes through brute force? Was it right for Mongols to sack Baghdad? Was it right for the Romans to conquer Britain. Was it right for the Turks to sack Constantinople? Humans have fought each other for land and resources well before recorded history and until recently these such questions of morality were rarely asked. The Native Americans, unfortunately, were decimated by disease and the superior armies of Europeans.

Well, it happened, I am sure nobody is proud of that what happened to the native Americans.

But European Armies, Riesstiu? General Custer e.g.?

(The pox killed the Iroquis, as well as the Mohicans, more efficiently than any British or French army... ugh)

I was thinking early colonization (1500's - 1700's) of Spanish, English, French, etc. Also, I believe early Americans still considered themselves "British" after their independence.

I just got the impression you wanted to blame what happened to the Native Americans solely on the British and the French, this is why I answered.

The History of the human race is a history of conquerers and killers. There have many times in history where one group of humans gains an edge over another and conquers or kills off the weaker group to take it's territory, resources, women etc.... Was it right? no, Was it wrong? for the time I would say no.

Before the europeans came to America(the whole continent), there was already conquest going on. The more powerful tribes controlled the weaker ones, and frequently expelled or killed their defeated enemies.

We all remember how cruel the Spanish were to the Aztecs, but the Aztecs were one of the greatest oppressors in history. In fact that made it easier for the spanish to defeat them, because basically all neighbouring tribes were willing to side against the Aztecs.

I'm not excusing the european behaviour in the Conquista, just saying that what they did is not very different from what was already going on here(and in the rest of the world).

Even in the Old World, most people are descendants of invaders, and not of the original inhabbitants. So this fixation with the supposed robbery of land in the New World seems a bit silly to me.

The Iroquois, as a matter of fact, were vanquished because they had declared war on the American revolutionaries during the revolution. The Iroquois had a system of government whereby all their decisions had to be unanimously agreed upon by delegates from the 6 tribes. If unanimity did not come about, each tribe could either do nothing or take matters into its own hands as it saw fit. There was apparently no provision requiring the tribes to always act uniformly. When the American Revolution broke out, half the tribes voted to side with the British and the other with the colonists. When the Iroquois started attacking colonial towns and forts, the Americans led a retaliatory strike, completely vanquishing the Iroquois nation and dispersing the tribes into Canada or to the western frontier.

Was it right for the European Americans to take the land of the Native American like the Iroquois? Was it right to take the land of the land that is not yours.
I would have to answer that with a big YES!!!
They had every right. As I often say: if you take it by war its yours until someone else comes and takes it by war from you. Its the circle of life.

Not sure on the original question, but it was wrong of them to get the natives to sign treaties, and move them to reservations, only to come back and kill them all or force them off of the reservations

Human existence has always revolved around war and conquest. Don't think of war as "right and wrong," there's never a "right and wrong" side, just sometimes there is a side that fights dirtier. War is not a battle of morals, its a battle of survival, morals are inconsequential and don't matter until all the fighting is done and the side that remains looks back on the conflict and thinks about the "morals" of their conflict.

Not sure on the original question, but it was wrong of them to get the natives to sign treaties, and move them to reservations, only to come back and kill them all or force them off of the reservations

Exactly, there's out and out fighting, and the racial extermination of some tribes, either through disease or by fighting and massacres. The two are wholly different.

I am getting very tired of you coming over every few days, post a trolling thread and then disappear.

Consider this your final warning.

Closed.