Were the Pilgrims Puritans?

Are you referring to the European armies that went over to North America and ousted the Iroquois???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puritans

Well to some degree the "fundamentalist" trait of Puritan help fuel them to conquer, many lands...Spain is an example of Puritanism...look what happend to the Aztecs!

The Spanish were Catholic not Puritan and the Aztecs were devastated by Eurasian diseases more than anything else. The conquest of the Aztecs was a joint effort by neighboring tribes and the Spanish, so I wouldn't call it a Christian only conquest...

HamaticBabylon are you a native american iroquoi who hates, or dislikes, the white conqueror?

I'm not positive but I think HamaticBabylon is someone of African descent and a follower of the Nation of Islam.

Normally, I don't like to make comments on individual posters, but HamaticBabylon is either a troll, or very ignorant.

Now, back on-topic pls.

Or one sided

The correct term is afrocentrist.

By "Pilgrims", are we talking about the "Pilgrim Fathers"? Rather an Amerocentric way of talking about them, as if no other pilgrims ever existed...

Of course they were Puritans, of the most extreme kind (bearing in mind that many Puritans did not, in reality, deserve the rather bad press they've had over the years). Basically, they were people who were too religiously weird for seventeenth-century England, and that's saying something. The fact that Americans still venerate them today every "Thanksgiving" is even stranger.

If you wonder why Americans have no problems to watch people getting killed by gunfire on TV and are so fond of weapons, BUT issues related to sex, sexual morale and showing nudity on TV causes them real problems, you have the answer:

This is probably the puritan heritage of the pilgrim fathers. They had strict moral values in these issues, too.

Is this the stereotype thread?

Were the Pilgrims Puritans?

No, they were'nt. While they were a religious sect seeking
refuge from persecution in England, their beliefs were not
the same as the Puritans. And no, I don't remember what
the differences actually were, except they were'nt as, ah,
puritan. The Pilgrims came over in 1620-21 and founded
Plymouth, while the Puritans came over in 1630 and
founded Boston.

HamaticBabylon are you a native american iroquoi who hates, or dislikes, the white conqueror?

what's to like? Science is the only benefit, but it does'nt tip the scales
against geneocide, treaty breaking, land grabbin' and pollution.

If you wonder why Americans have no problems to watch people getting killed by gunfire on TV and are so fond of weapons, BUT issues related to sex, sexual morale and showing nudity on TV causes them real problems, you have the answer:

This is probably the puritan heritage of the pilgrim fathers. They had strict moral values in these issues, too.

Most Americans do not have any relation to the original puritan pilgrims or even follow that sect of Christianity. This is one of the stupidest things I've heard… :confused: You can see nudity and sex on cable channels in the US.

I do not think it is stupid. I do not know many countries where things like gay marriage, sex affairs, abortion and stuff have such a large impact on elections.

I hope there is no pubic hair seen on the channels you watch. But I think I must correct my view of "White Anglo-Saxon Protestants" playing a major role in US politics and morale views.

I just believed them to be very conservative after a recent talk with Curufinwe about sex education in schools.

You can see nudity and sex on cable channels in the US.

Oh dearie dearie me... You don't really think that that shows that Americans do not have a hang-up about sex? Come over to Europe and see what you can watch on terrestrial channels. God, even here in Britain the TV companies don't blur out *bottoms* as they do in America. They even had to tone down Graham Norton to sell him to the Americans, for heaven's sake!

Yup, looks like this is the stereotype thread. However, whilst it is true that most Americans are not - strictly speaking - Puritans, Puritan values still have a huge influence over American values. Just think of the Clinton scandals - and how he responded to them.

Interesting how this evolved from the initial posting. Sorry about that. Maybe Azadre should say something if he wants to know more about the topic and why.

I do not think it is stupid. I do not know many countries where things like gay marriage, sex affairs, abortion and stuff have such a large impact on elections.

I hope there is no pubic hair seen on the channels you watch. But I think I must correct my view of "White Anglo-Saxon Protestants" playing a major role in US politics and morale views.

I just believed them to be very conservative after a recent talk with Curufinwe about sex education in schools.

No, I don't think it's stupid at all :)

In fact, the Puritan/congregationalists payed an enormous role in shaping our society today.