It contains a Burgundian (early 15th century), a Norman and a Russian knight (both ca. 11-12th century) in the first part, plus a Walloon knight (late 14th century) and a Templar ca. 13th century) in part two.

Burgundian, Russian, Norman http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/KnightPackIIa.zip

Walloon and Templar
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/KnightPackIIb.zip

Preview anims - Burgundian and Russian.

Oh and all come with Attack A B and C, A with lance, the rest with sword.

I changed the Burgundian a bit compared to the preview, with the horse's front now completely in chainmail while the other part of its "clothes" has the full Burgundian heraldry now.

First Post and Download !!!!! ( Just saw this arriving at the upload server ;) )

Lovely Work, :king: Bebro - you should do this for a living!

Waaaah! :eek:


Great work BeBro :goodjob:

Wahooo!
Thanx alot, BeBro!
Great stuff!
:goodjob:

Excellent! These are going straight into my game.

Excellent work :goodjob: The burgond knight is simply amazing :crazyeye:

Great Job on all of them! :goodjob:

Good :) They're great Bebro

Thank-you for doing the Burgundian Knight - my Burgundian Civ, led by Gundahar, now has it's UU!

They're all brilliant - thanks!

another beaut of a job B )

I´m nearly speechless - that are great units!

Thanks Bebro, they make we wanna play a medieval mod! :)

Hotness! :cool: I love 'em!


An odd request... could somebody tell me how exactly the knight system worked in Russia? I know their feudalism was very different (basically non-existent) from the rest of Europe.

I have taken the liberty of gathering some knight pics- absolutely not as requests,
merely as inspirative material (you know those rainy days when you are sitting home
alone and there is nothing to do, and you lack a motive for unit making).
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/Knights.jpg

That Russian Knight 'owns', as it were :)

Thank you. :)

Just great :goodjob:

Sweet BeBro. King of the Knights. All hail the King! :king: :worship::worship:

Burgundian? Hmm sounds like a unit to add to My scenario Hundred Years' War....:D

Once again

Thanks!

- TP

Fantastic AGAIN!!!! I'd been looking for a good Russian and Norman Knight since I started adding units two years ago and now both in one day! (The Burgundian rocks too but I hadn't been looking for it in particular :lol: )

So nobody has any information on the Russian knight system???

This is a difficult question to answer in less than a day depending on whether you're referring to only the military structure (which recruited not only from a prince's most important nobles but also the towns, etc) or the economic structure as well but this isn't a terrible (and mercifully quick) summary I found with a few notes thrown in...

"Between 850 and 1200 the old tribal organization gave way to a stratified society. At the top stood the military caste, the druzhina, next came the merchants, followed by the artisans in the towns. These were all [truly] free men. The broad base was provided by the free peasants and hired workers. At the very bottom were the slaves - the institution of slavery was accepted by the Russians without question as was the case by most ancient societies. Although no opposing classes had yet [truly] appeared there was a definite division between the ruling, land-owning warriors and the laborers. It was the beginning of [an incomplete or undeveloped] feudal society.
Yet Kievan Russia was not essentially an absolute state. Democratic elements did exist. Meetings of tribal elders and of town folk (veche) originally administered and enforced the law. [note: the druzhina also often required consultation regarding 'policy' as well to retain their cooperation] The prince eventually superimposed his power over these primitive assemblies, except in Novgorod were the veche maintained its power for a long time until crushed by Muscovite absolutism."

edit: as an addition, while the land owning nobility did provide military service, the legal foundation of their property rights was hereditary, i.e. without obligaton of service to the prince. Later Ivan the Terrible (in the 16th C) I believe sought with the Oprichnina to create a purely service nobility to circumvent the traditional system, but most western feudal concepts become slippery at best in the Russian setting.

Absolutely Fantastic, what a machine...

Love the Russian Knight especially...An essential download

I like the Norman Knight most. But all these knights are great. Just going dl them now. :)

Thx for the nice comments :) DP II, unfortunately I can't offer any more special knowledge about the Russian feudal system :(

No problem, BeBro. Antiochus has provided a sufficient explanation.

Antiochus: Great stuff! Thanks.

Russian Knight is awesome. Great work.

BreBro, why don't you use your model to make a Byzantine Cataphract, so we can replace old&small utahjazz's unit?

BreBro, why don't you use your model to make a Byzantine Cataphract, so we can replace old&small utahjazz's unit?
There were actualy three versions of it: Roman, Byzantine, and Eastern... a biz much

BeBro, can you possibly make a dwarf on a pony? You could paste a dwarf on a small horse or something. Just a suggestion.

You can now dl the other two knights, a Walloon, and a Templar from the first post. The static preview there is updated as well.

A fidget preview for the Walloon is in the 2nd post, here is a preview for the templar (showing attackA > B > C Victory).

As always those anims run faster in the game. Oh and all have three attack anims, which means they play A (lance) - B -C, then starting again. If you don't like that they attack with lance again, you can simply edit the ini files and use only two attacks. For example you can have A with lance, B with sword, or only two anims with sword :)

Vielen Danke, Merci beaucoup :goodjob:

It will be a perfect UU for Wallonia with my new Notger leaderhead :D

Dude! Awesome work BeBro. :yeah:

Bebro, One word : THANK YOU ! :) for the Wallon knight with colors of my city !!!!!!

BeBro,
Your units wail upon a plethora of buttocks. Unfortunately the CivIII editor for Macintosh doesn't let me add units so I can't use them. I wanted to let you you know how cool they are though. You do a great service to the minutia of unit appearance which comes out particularly well during the animations. :rockon:

Stonebear, hasn't the Mac Editor been cracked? I know that the PC one was. There you could add units by hitting Alt-A in the units tab. (Hm, it could have been ctrl-A or something like that, hasn't touched the vanilla editor since getting PTW...) You could always try that, if it works it works. :)

Egads, These are beautiful ! Now I'll have to have WAR with them !

Thanks ! :goodjob: :goodjob: :thumbsup:

wow... great units bebro

Exelent work :)
My favorite is the crusader, its exelent :D

BreBro, can you use (slightly edit) one of your models to make a Byzantine heavy Cataphract, so we can replace obsolete utahjazz's unit?

BreBro, can you use (slightly edit) one of your models to make a Byzantine heavy Cataphract, so we can replace obsolete utahjazz's unit?
Maurikian Byzantine Cavalry and Optimates 578AD-650AD
http://www.dbaol.com/images/faces/1416_face.jpg http://www.dbaol.com/images/faces/1418_face.jpg

Nikephorian Byzantine armored Cavalry and Cataphract 936AD-1071AD
http://www.dbaol.com/images/faces/943_face.jpg http://www.dbaol.com/images/faces/919_face.jpg

Commenan Byzantine Cavalry and Normanic Knights 1071AD-1204AD
http://www.dbaol.com/images/faces/1238_face.jpg http://www.dbaol.com/images/faces/1244_face.jpg

Late Byzantine Statiotai and Latinikon Knights 1204AD-1460AD
http://www.dbaol.com/images/faces/1795_face.jpg http://www.dbaol.com/images/faces/1796_face.jpg

I've found that the Hungarian Knight works quite well for that purpose. I don't remember who's the author. Is it BeBro's?

I've found that the Hungarian Knight works quite well for that purpose. I don't remember who's the author. Is it BeBro's?
it is indeed- perhaps I could recolour it green to be more fitting !?

green? What part would you colour green?
The only missing thing seems the plumed helm

Which Byzantine Knight are you envisioning to be made, first of all ?

BreBro, can you use (slightly edit) one of your models to make a Byzantine heavy Cataphract, so we can replace obsolete utahjazz's unit?

Just how "obsolete" is Utah's Cataphract unit supposed to be here? I fail to see any reason why it should be labelled as such.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/preview_Cat_Byzantine.gif http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/preview_Cat_Roman.gif http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/preview_Cat_Eastern.gif (by Utahjazz and Kryten)

Comparison:
http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/attachment.gif http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads5/preview_Byzantine_Cataphract.gif

A)the last unti should be included; its not meant to be Byzantine or Roman at all ;)

B)Cataphracts arnt knights; thier better then knights :cooool:

Catapracts are armored cavalry (the last unit in the pictures is in effect a knight, Byzantium didn't use Catapracts for long time before these appeared)

http://www.dbaol.com/images/faces/919_face.jpg vs. http://www.dbaol.com/images/faces/1796_face.jpg

In what way better?

Namewise and coolness factor :p

that and cataphracts (true cataphracts, as you said, were used for quite a while bwfore the advent of stratotoi, amoung other types of cav), ended after the reign of perhaps one fo the most effective feilderes of cataphracts, Basill II, as they could no longe rbe feiled (or were feilid in less and less numbers), after the fall of the Thematic military system; a pity, as, pound for pound, they were about the same as a western knight; but they were a far more effective force then the knight in that they had the last rememberence sof Roman drill, and thus fought not the individual combat, but as a cohesive unit, to the vast detriment fo thier enemies...

To the various requests her - for the moment I don't plan to make more knights (or similar armoured cav units). If I ever release a third knight pack then some of the units requested here could go in, but currently that is more hypothetical ;)

Obsolete because it is far from being perfect. I think that the Hungarian Knight that Winter has shown is the most similar unit to represent it.

This is Russian Knight called Vityaz'.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=68343&stc=1

Obsolete because it is far from being perfect. I think that the Hungarian Knight that Winter has shown is the most similar unit to represent it.
The Hungarian Knight is a Ottoman Sipahi of the 16th century.

Then we need a new cataphract.
Utahjazz's one has wrong offsets, its perspective isn't perfect, and it lacks civilopedia pics. And is that attack animation the standard attack??

Danke, Bernd! for making the norman knight! Normal people like you and me are rare these days... :D

http://www.furor-normannicus.de/images/kram/ares.jpg

(this is me, preparing for combat somewhere in German woods last saturday)

BRAVO!!!!!!!!! :king: