Thanks for the re-election to the great province of Zarnia. [Lots of excitement and partying] Let's not get too excited, folks. Oh great, someone fainted. [Random people poke the fainted person with a stick]

Governor: Zarn
Deputy: RegentMan

Term 1 (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=95620)

Zarnia

Capital: Fanatikku
Largest Settlement: Fanatikku
Population: 721,000
Settlements: 1 City, 3 towns
Citizens: 12 happy, 4 content, 4 unhappy
Total Income (minus science/ lux/ corruption) and Maintainence: -1
Total Science: 22
Total Luxury: 0
Total Culture: 599
Workers: 6 units
Resources (Provincial): Gems, Iron
Connected Resources (National): Horses, Wines, Silks, Gems
Unconnected Resources (Provincial): None

Fanatikku

Mayor: None
Population: 375,000
Citizens: 3 happy, 3 content, 2 unhappy
Reason of unhappy citizens: Crowded

Garrison: 2 Spears (regular and vet), 1 Vet Sword
Improvements: Barracks, Temple, Library
Wonders: Palace
Build Queue: Colosseum, Horseman

Food per Turn: 19
Turns until Growth: 9
Production: 15
Income and Maintainence: 3
Research: 15
Luxury: 0
Culture per Turn: 7 (100 Turns)
Culture Total: 300/1000

Furuyama

Mayor: Donovan Zoi
Population: 74,000
Citizens: 3 happy
Reason of unhappy citizens: N/A

Garrison: Vet Spear
Improvements: Barracks, Temple, Harbor
Wonders: None
Build Queue: Galley, Horseman
Food per Turn: 7
Turns until Growth: 6
Production: 4
Income and Maintainence: -2
Research: 1
Luxury: 0
Culture per Turn: 2 (25 Turns)
Culture Total: 50/100

Immo

Mayor: Immortal
Population: 60,000
Citizens: 3 happy
Reason of unhappy citizens: N/A

Garrison: Vet Spear
Improvements: Barracks, Temple
Wonders: None
Build Queue: Worker, Horseman

Food per Turn: 10
Turns until Growth: 5
Production: 5
Income and Maintainence: 0
Research: 2
Luxury: 0
Culture per Turn: 2 (13 Turns)
Culture Total: 74/100

Zojoji

Mayor: Cyc
Population: 212,000
Citizens: 3 happy, 1 content, 2 unhappy
Reason of unhappy citizens: Crowded

Garrison: Vet Spear
Improvements: Temple, Barracks, Library, Aqueduct
Wonders: None
Build Queue: Colosseum

Food per Turn: 14
Turns until Growth: 9
Production: 10 (-1)
Income and Maintainence: -2
Research: 4
Luxury: 0
Culture per Turn: 7 (118 Turns)
Culture Total: 175/1000

I have noticed a few micromanagement opportunities in your province. In one turn, a citizen in Shorin-Ryu can be switched from the cattle to the wines for additional income without slowing growth. In one turn, a citizen in Immo could be switched from a flood plain to a forest for additional production without slowing growth, but reducing income. In two turns, a citizen in Fanatikku can be switched from wheat to a bonus grassland for more production without slowing growth.

I have noticed a few micromanagement opportunities in your province. In one turn, a citizen in Shorin-Ryu can be switched from the cattle to the wines for additional income without slowing growth. In one turn, a citizen in Immo could be switched from a flood plain to a forest for additional production without slowing growth, but reducing income. In two turns, a citizen in Fanatikku can be switched from wheat to a bonus grassland for more production without slowing growth.


I shouldn't reduce income at all, but the others seem fine to me.

Edit: BTW, thanks for the input. I'm surprised only so many have so far. It's not like I bite or anything. :p

Well,... yer still Krazy. ;) :lol:

Congrats on your return to Office Zarn. Good luck with the Provincial border issue.

Governor Zarn. As Mayor of Zojoji, I request that we change the production of the Spearman in our great city to that of a Barracks. The cost will be the same, I believe and the benefits will be double. Not only will our future Spearmen be Vets, but when we complete the roading to the Iron mines, our Swordsmen will also emerge as Vets.

Zojoji feels this change is warranted.

I also request some archers to be built in the short term (within 5 turns at best) in the event that the Iroquois attack, which looks emminent.

Hi Governor Zarn, I'm back again. I'm still here to request a Barracks for Zojoji, but I'd also like to suggest a brief laborer change. If we move the laborer from the wheat to the forest, then we can complete the Barracks in 2 turns. Then we can move the Laborer back to the wheat to complete the workeras the city grows to a size 4. During this time, the 3 Workers will not only complete the road on the Iron Hill, but complete the road to our fair city, Zojoji. This will allow the diamond trade in our town square, and help to keep our citizens happy.

Keep in mind that there are Barbarians to our North. We will need a Barracks for fast healing and the production of a Vet Spearman or Swordsman. I've posted a pic of the City Screen below.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/Zojoji950bcCS2.jpg

Unfortunately guys, I couldn't get to your posts in time for the chat, as work came only a few hours after college.

This city will also be connected to the iron in about 2 turns, and have a mined grassland tile a few turns later.

:wavey: Hi, Governor Zarn. Just checking in. It's been over 24 hours and I'd like to get your response to my request before the weekend. We have a T/C on Sunday. What say you to switching the Spearman in Zojoji to a Barracks?

The Department of Domestic Affairs hereby makes this request of Governor Zarn of the Province of Zarnia.

The DDA respects the current circumstances and the required changes to teh build queues therein. However, the DDA would also like to advise the Governor that we still have a few choice city sites which we need to nab quickly. Please consider making room in the build queues of the more quickly growing cities (i.e. Immo and possibly Odawara) for Settlers when the population becomes unmanagable. And sooner if at all possible.

:wavey: Hi, Governor Zarn. Just checking in. It's been over 24 hours and I'd like to get your response to my request before the weekend. We have a T/C on Sunday. What say you to switching the Spearman in Zojoji to a Barracks?

You will see the change in queue. I just forget to tell you of my approval.

SDIII: I'll see what I can do.

Thank you, Governor.

May I also suggest Immo as the primary worker factory, too? We need workers...

We have 12 workers on queue along with 3 settlers...

Now we need more swordsmen...

Having 1 sword every 10 turns is horrendus (sp)!

A few more micromanaging possibilities.

In Immo, the laborer working the unroaded forest could be changed. Working the mined desert would increase the gpt by 1 without slowing growth. Working the roaded floodplain would increase the gpt by 2, but would reduce the spt by 1. Working the floodplain with wheat would allow growth in 1 turn, reduce the spt by 1, and increase the gpt by 1. However, the new laborer would probably be allocated to a forest, producing more shields.

In Odawara, the laborer working the plain could be switched to the floodplain. The lost shield was corrupted anyways.

In Shorin-Ryu, the laborer working the forest could be switched to the floodplain. Less shields would be produced, but the worker would still complete in one turn.

Corrino and Osgiliath have three possiblities for laborer allocation. They could work the floodplain or grassland for maximum growth, the forest for maximum production, or the hill for maximum income. Regardless, Osgiliath should work the forest by the river rather than the one currently being worked.

I would also suggest more barracks to produce better units, especially since units will not be needed immediately, since peace with the Iroquois seems imminent.

I would ask the Governor to keep producing settlers in order to claim all the sites listed in this poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=98884).

I also endorce that we have a Pro-Active Defense Force of Swordsmen and Horsemen, but that the total amount of this force not exceed the number of towns we have. The reason for this is to limit Upkeep costs. 10-12 Attack units should make any civ think twice about disasterous expeditions against us...

Just a thought, we need a wonder cuty w/ decent pop.

Yeah. Hanging Gardens is on the way. Prebuilds Ahoy!

Praetor Zarn, I would like to submit my request to be the mayor of Regent Town. Also to say I'm here and reading the thread, just haven't had anything to say.

Okay, you are mayor and deputy. I'm not longer the Praetor, though. I'm now a high priest. :p

Thank you for appointing me mayor of Regent Town, High Priest Zarn. You can find it's thread here (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=99205).

Zarn, I'd like to request that from now on you frame your build queues to substantially prioritize the construction of temples. I'd like to see all cities producing culture as soon as possible, certainly when we're a monarchy. Then, I'd like to see all cities producing culture as soon as possible, using rushing and other tactics to help do so. Thank you for considering my suggetsion, no matter your response, and keep up the good work.

Zarn, I'd like to request that from now on you frame your build queues to substantially prioritize the construction of temples. I'd like to see all cities producing culture as soon as possible, certainly when we're a monarchy. Then, I'd like to see all cities producing culture as soon as possible, using rushing and other tactics to help do so. Thank you for considering my suggetsion, no matter your response, and keep up the good work.

If you noticed my queues, I'm getting out of deployment phase, and I'm entering the phase of culture and power. I had 4 temples in queue for this chat plus the temple being built in one of the newer cities. You'll start seeing temples everywhere.

Can you please tell me what does a Mayor do?

Governor Zarn:

Due to our recent Discoveries in the Northlands, I would like to have more settlers for this Turnchat.

If you feel that Immo needs the extra citizens for Unit Support, that is fine. I do want the Northlands colonized, however.

Also, could you possibly see to putting a Harbor in Zojoji and/or Furuyama and the construction of Galleys to speed up future settlement of that sector?

Discussion of New City Sites (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=99315)

Can you please tell me what does a Mayor do?
A mayor is kind of like a mini-govenor. He/She runs a city like a govenor would run a province. You post build queues and optionally pictures and other information. Of course, others are free to suggest something other than what you posted. It's a great way, in my opinion, to get involved in the Demogame. You can view my city by clicking the link in my signature, or by looking in the city index (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=94638) and finding other cities.

Yeah. Hanging Gardens is on the way. Prebuilds Ahoy!

Am I the only one adamantly against the Hanging Gardens? Let's face it, we're not as culturally adept as we were in DG1. ;) Besides, we'll have enough happiness soon that we don't even need wonders (or clowns...). There's furs and silks left for the taking on this continent (one by expansion, and the other by war). We should instead focus on wiping the continent clean before building any wonders (especially if we want to go for diplo - less civs voting).

Didn't I just read in the Citizen's subforum where you were complaining about the way we research and our lack of Wonders, CT? The reason we don't have a Wonder or a pre-build is because we don't have a Wonder-building city. Fanatikku could build Wonders, but we needed Settlers more. We also voted down two good Wonder sites. Zojoji could build Wonders as it has growth AND production potential, but we've got it trpped at size 1, building Workers. Dumb idea, really. Immo is our Settler and Worker Factory and we've had it set up building other crap like units. Now it's building a Barracks? What for? It should be building Settlers and Workers. Zojoji has a Barracks, let IT build units if that's what you need. The confusion and misplaced effort in this game amazes me.

Governor Zarn, please take Zojoji off Worker detail and put Immo on it. Ack bassward only works for a little while and then we really start paying for it. :rolleyes:

Why is Immo off settler-worker duty and Zojoji off growing so it can't grow into a shield-heavy city quickly ?
Why is Osgiliath working a forest tiles (which nets us 0 uncorrupted shields extra) instead of a floodplain ?
Odawara (if set to +5 fpt and 2 spt) can build a worker every 4 turns. Why does the Governor prefer spearmen? We are not in war ATM.

May I, as a mere citizen, ask for cities which are building units, to have a barracks build first ? Shorin-Ryu for instance is a nice unit-city, if focussed.

Honorable Governor Zarn http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/dogezas.gif
I have read elsewhere in these forums that you are going to switch Zojoji's production from a Worker to a Wonder. We are very glad to hear about this.

But if you permit me a moment of your time, I would like to suggest an alternate plan. Shown in the picture below, we can switch prodution from that Worker to a Harbor, which will take 9 turns at our present size 2.

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/zojojiSC2.jpg

As our city grows in 5 turns, we can put the new laborer on the wheat, which will give us a surplus of five food per turn. This will allow us to grow in 5 more turns. We can then take the Laborer off of the Wheat and either put it and the brand neww laborer on the roaded forests, or put one of them on the Iron (hopefully we can mine that soon).

The main reason for this plan is that we will get Literature in 7 turns. We can switch the Harbor to a Library at that time. This will not only let our Culture grow one heck of a lot while we build a Wonder, but it will greatly increase our Science output for the same length of time.

By using the Wheat with the next Laborer, we will not only grow much quicker (getting us a new laborer), but we will NOT finish the Harbor before we can switch to a Library.
Hope you like this plan. :thumbsup:

Cyc
Mayor of Zojoji

You guys can chew on this (as there isn't a chat thread, yet). Just remember I'm getting like 5 people telling me completely different things.

Fanatikku- Barracks, Sword, Sword
Furuyama- Temple, Harbor (optional), Galley, Galley
Immo- Sword, Settler, Worker, Settler, Worker
Epolenep- Horseman, Horseman
Zojoji- Harbor (change to Library when available), Sword
Odawara- Worker, Settler, Worker, Worker
Shorin-Ryu- Barracks, Sword, Sword, Sword
Regent Town- Worker, Worker, Worker
Corrino- Spear, Worker, Temple
Osgiliath- Worker, Temple
En'Gha/R'yleh- Temple, Spear
Sto'ov'kor- Worker, Temple, Worker

City coming up- Temple, Worker

Swords- 7
Spears- 2
Horsemen- 2
Galleys- 2

Workers- 12
Settlers- 3

Barracks- 2
Temples- 6
Harbors- 1

Laborers:

Odawara- These should be the tiles worked on (two wheat, two shielded grassland, River Forest)

Osgiliath- Work the Gold Hills

Zojoji- After growth make sure the 3rd laborer is on wheat

The people of Zojoji thank you, Governor. :goodjob:

Settler count is good.

My recommendation is that the Furuyama Harbor should definitely be in the queue. This will allow us Veteran Galleys in case we encounter Barb or enemy ships. (Though it probbaly wouldn't matter for the pruposes of "Suicides")

Settler count is good.

My recommendation is that the Furuyama Harbor should definitely be in the queue. This will allow us Veteran Galleys in case we encounter Barb or enemy ships. (Though it probbaly wouldn't matter for the pruposes of "Suicides")

Regardless of building galleys or not, we need a harbor for trading and growth.

High Priest Zarn, I have changed Regent Town's queue a little bit. It should now read: Worker, worker, walls. Thanks in advance!

High Priest Zarn, I have changed Regent Town's queue a little bit. It should now read: Worker, worker, walls. Thanks in advance!
u cant change it, only zarn can... but you can make suggestions

u cant change it, only zarn can... but you can make suggestions
Well, as mayor, I changed what I thought was best for Regent Town. He can veto it if he wants to though.

Well, as mayor, I changed what I thought was best for Regent Town. He can veto it if he wants to though.
mayors have no power at all, u cant post in the tc thread(well actually you can, since u are deputy..), u cant 'offically' change the queue(unless zarn is gone, since u are the deputy)

Why do you think Regent Town needs those walls?

Why do you think Regent Town needs those walls?
It will be a long way off until Regent Town is connected via road. Even when we're connected to the rest of the country, reinforcements will take a few turns to get down here. In case of an attack, walls may be the only thing that saves this town. After all, the only unit defending it is a regular spearman. Suppose Babylon sends a couple of swords our way. They will have no trouble beating a regular spearman. However, after adding a very cheap building (twenty shields) which requires no upkeep, we stand a chance, at a little above 50% per round instead of about 40% per round. Until I can be assured of Regent Town's safety with a few veteran spears, I must make do with whatever I have to make sure that city remains in Japanatican hands.

mayors have no power at all, u cant post in the tc thread(well actually you can, since u are deputy..), u cant 'offically' change the queue(unless zarn is gone, since u are the deputy)
I realize that mayors have absolutely no power and that my request of walls is merely that: a request. Zarn could say "no" and that would end my shot at walls. I wasn't attempting to officially change the queue, I was simply offering my opinion in a more direct way than just asking, "Maybe walls would be good?"

It will be a long way off until Regent Town is connected via road. Even when we're connected to the rest of the country, reinforcements will take a few turns to get down here. In case of an attack, walls may be the only thing that saves this town. After all, the only unit defending it is a regular spearman. Suppose Babylon sends a couple of swords our way. They will have no trouble beating a regular spearman. However, after adding a very cheap building (twenty shields) which requires no upkeep, we stand a chance, at a little above 50% per round instead of about 40% per round. Until I can be assured of Regent Town's safety with a few veteran spears, I must make do with whatever I have to make sure that city remains in Japanatican hands.


Good. I was going to put the walls in anyway, as it did seem like a good idea, but I just wanted to see why you wanted them.

Thank you Zarn.

sorry for the confusion regentman, its just the way you were saying it sounded offical

That's quite alright, Black_Hole. Looking back, it did seem a little "commanding." However, that's the way I presented my city's issues in DGIII and no one minded, so I was going off that. I'm glad everything got all sorted out. :)

I'm back with more micromanagement suggestions.

Fanatikku-switch the grassland not by the river to the water for one turn for extra gold
Immo-switch the forest to the desert for one turn for extra gold
Epolenep-switch the forest to the hill with horses for extra gold
Odawara-switch the wheat to something with more shields for one turn (hill, BG, desert, it doesn't really matter (the wheat's gold is corrupted))
En'Gha/R'yleh-switch BG to lake for more gold for one turn
Windurst-switch from forest to water for more gold

These suggestions either lose food for one turn when more food then necessary would be produced for growth, or lose a shield or gold that was corrupted

As far as Windurst is concerned, I agree wholeheartedly with Tim.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=68089&stc=1

Best Shield Tile has 1 SPT Post Corruption. However 4 Gold yields 2 Post-corruption. And Fish has 2 Gold again, yielding an extra 1 Post-Corruption.

Also, I would like to either change the current Sword at Fanatikku to a temple, or else make that the next project there. The Unhappies there are a blight upon our great nation!

Also, I would like to either change the current Sword at Fanatikku to a temple, or else make that the next project there. The Unhappies there are a blight upon our great nation!

I agree, I think that when Fanatikku grows in 2 (1?) turns that the extra citizen will not be happy. With the Lux slider at 0% there is no possibility to shift a citizen to get just enough extra gold to make a happy face.

Unless of course our Domestic minister would considers changing the sliders. I'm really not good enough at the corruption considerations to figure out the net effect on our Queendom of letting our people have some fun.

I agree, make fanatikku a temple and then a wonder.

And why are we clearing Jungle when we should be building a mine one one of the hills?

Well, I'll ask the President that one, Cyc. She's in charge of Worker Actions and all.

Well, I'll ask the President that one, Cyc. She's in charge of Worker Actions and all.

Workers are Domestic jurisdiction, IIRC.

For the capital, we can build the sword, fortify it, then build a temple for added effect.

Then we can start on the wonder (HG I guessing), but it must be approved and not by me. If the people want it (through the CULTURE department), then I will put it in. Otherwise, I cannot do it. So far, Culture has never given me an order to build a wonder anywhere (specifically or generally).

If not, the city will build a library.

Do anything in your power to assure Hanging Gardens aap Zarn, even mobilize Snipelfritz to order it. We need that wonder as a greenhouse for further wonders.

Heck, once Zojoji finishes the Library we just struggled to help along, it could be set on a Palace pre-build. As long as we don't cut down any of the surrounding Forests (and hopefully we'll mine the Iron for an extra shield), Zojoji will be a production powerhose.

As stated in the constitution:

Article D. The Executive branch is responsible for determining
and implementing the will of the People. It is headed
by the President who shall be the primary Designated
Player. The President shall take direction from a
council of leaders and from other elected and appointed
officials via the turnchat instruction thread. The President
shall be tasked with control of worker actions.
1. The Minister of Domestic Affairs shall be
responsible for all domestic initiatives, worker allocation,
as well as the distribution of funds, as prescribed by law.

Article D. The Executive branch is responsible for determining
and implementing the will of the People. It is headed
by the President who shall be the primary Designated
Player. The President shall take direction from a
council of leaders and from other elected and appointed
officials via the turnchat instruction thread. The President
shall be tasked with control of worker actions.
1. The Minister of Domestic Affairs shall be
responsible for all domestic initiatives, worker allocation,
as well as the distribution of funds, as prescribed by law.
Wouldn't the bolded part put Sir Donald III in charge of suggesting where they go? Or am I misinterpreting the Constitution?

Wouldn't the bolded part put Sir Donald III in charge of suggesting where they go? Or am I misinterpreting the Constitution?

You are misinterpreting it RegentMan. As I mentioned to someone else earlier in one of these Government threads, those "Workers" people keep mentioning are called Laborers in the Demogame. When you're putting together the Constitution, it's hard to catch every little mistake.

To clarify for people who still don't get it, The President is in charge of the Workers, the Governor was supposed to be incharge of the Laborer positioning within any given City Screen (of their Province), but that got changed. Now it seems the Domestic Advisor controls Laborer placement. The wording should be changed to Laborers and in my opinion, Laborer allocation (placement, in other words) should go back to the Governor.

Okay, thanks for clearing that up Cyc. Sorry to Sir Donald III for my accusation.

Actuall, I made a mistake also. I went hunting for the statement I made above/before and found it. I was speaking to Tim Bentley. I was discussing his use of the word Citizens not Workers. :blush:

I believe the main point is the same, though.

Statement ~ (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2159588&postcount=20)

I agree, make fanatikku a temple and then a wonder.
Good idea!

I was looking at the instruction and noticed this:

En'Gha/R'yleh- Temple, Spear, Worker
Sto'ov'kor- Temple, Worker
Corrino- Worker, Temple

We already have 16 workers and large buget minus. Researching Currency is going very very slow considering our number of cities.

Because Immo and Odawara are still spamming workers/setlers i propose we use other cities to build improvements or army, walls would be nice too. No need to build workers in every city.

Losing 1 population in 3 cities above will slow their growth and production and we can counter that by sending workers from Immo and Odawara.

Another issues is Fanatikku, we could (should) go with Temple->Wonder (if decided) and leave the capital to grow 12 pop. We don't need worker from Fanatikku, let Fanatikku in peace :). We need large and productive wonder city.

Govenor Zarn,

After This Poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=2182479#post2182479). It has been decided that the Hanging Gardens are to be built in the city of Shorin-Ryu. I will be posting this in the Turn Chat Insturction thread, but the culture ministry asks that you change your instructions as needed as well. (just do what you've got to).

Govenor Zarn,

After This Poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=2182479#post2182479). It has been decided that the Hanging Gardens are to be built in the city of Shorin-Ryu. I will be posting this in the Turn Chat Insturction thread, but the culture ministry asks that you change your instructions as needed as well. (just do what you've got to).

Already did before you could open your mouth. :p

Although I still think it is a bad idea, I had to go with it. :(

Already did before you could open your mouth. :p

Although I still think it is a bad idea, I had to go with it. :(
it matters how u interrperet the poll, some people would add all the posts for build hanging gardens together and take that compared to ppl that voted no, but personally i wouldnt do it that way

for example: some people want to build the hg in fantikku only, but fanatikku loses, but together the votes say ppl want hg

governor zarn: i believe that the poll results can be interrpureted by the leaders, as it is still the wotp

I agree with Black_Hole. The way I interpret the poll, Shorin-Ryu only has six votes, with Fanatikku with five. I wouldn't add those together, as the people who voted for Shorin-Ryu might fiercely oppose a wonder build in Fanatikku. I think a repoll with the options "Yes," "No," and "Abstain" should be made.

Governer Zarn,

I apologize for the confusion, but I have nullified the results of my afore mentioned poll. You can change your intructions back to what they should be.

I'm going to prepare this province for war (increase in sword builds). Any objections?

OBJECTION: Horsemen, not swords, upgrade to Samurai. We should increase build in them too.

OBJECTION: Horsemen, not swords, upgrade to Samurai. We should increase build in them too.

I am building horses. I thought that was a given. :blush:


Edit: I believe we should build swords (and horses for later upgrades), so we can attack another nation BEFORE we hit the middle ages.

Governor Zarn,

I would like to say, can I be Mayor of the city of Pete?

Your doing a good job!:D :goodjob:

- TP

Governor Zarn,

I would like to say, can I be Mayor of the city of Pete?

Your doing a good job!:D :goodjob:

- TP
nice suckup ;)

Honorable Governor Zarn,
The people of Zojoji request and Aqueduct in our fair city. By using the tlies available to us, we can build it in 10 turns if we switch now. We also need the Iron mined. We still have Worker fiascoes going on in our nation. We need to officially make a request for this or it will never get done. Iron resources should always be mined as soon as they are used. I have attached a pic:

http://www.civfanatics.net/uploads8/zojojiCS90bc.jpg

How about the worker mines and roads that wheat while they're at it!!!

That would also be great, but probably asking far too much.

Cyc, I will keep that in mind when doing queues, which I will be doing a little later. At a glance, it looks like a good idea, though.

As for worker actions, I have a proposal for all the citizen's. A citizen may say anything that citizen wants concerning terrain work, and I will post it in the turnchat thread as that particular citizen's proposal and how many back it up. At the top of that section of instructions would be 'worker suggestions.'

Great, Governor Zarn. Another suggestion. Please remove the Laborer in Immo from the Forests 2 tiles to the NW of the city and put it on the other unused Forest or one of the many unused mines. CT is about to build another mine North of the city so we don't have to worry about lack of shields for Immo. What we have to worry about is slowing CT's efforts in making the Capital City look like a bad location. Let's let Fanatikku use that Forest instead of one of the two UNMINED hills it's currently using. This will only help Fanatikku and keep Immo the same.

Governor Zarn,

I would like to say, can I be Mayor of the city of Pete?

Your doing a good job!:D :goodjob:

- TP

Your appointed. Be a good mayor... or else.

Cyc, CT isn't trying to sabatoge anything. Also, as you know, Domestic handles labor allocation, now.

You are in charge of the Provinces and the cities within them. You can place the Laborers the way you want in a city. Domestic doesn't have time to do the Governor's job. You can claim it's Domestic's job, but what the Constitution say about Worker allocation was for Workers, not Laborers. Laborers are the little food/shield/commerce icons within a City Screen map.

Article E.2.b states:
b.Governors are responsible for the care, management,
use of the cities, and use of lands of a province through the
setting of build queues, allocation of laborers on tiles,
population rushes and drafting of citizen soldiers.


So getting Fanatikku to use it's Forest tile is your job, not Domestics.

You are right. i was thinking of the wrong thing. I was thinking worker instead of laborer. I admit at making the mistake. :blush:

I still don't CT is try to put ant cities down the gutter.

edit: I see you explained it further but that wasn't needed. I already looked it up. It wasn't like I was neglecting it either, since I had done it before.

nice suckup ;)
:mischief: :D ;)

Your appointed. Be a good mayor... or else.

Umm...okay....

(Doesn't want to know the what else part... :mischief: )

Perhaps Article D Section 1 should change the phrase "worker allocation" to "specialist allocation". :) (i.e. Domestic tells Governors when to have "Clowns," Taxmen, or "Nerds", but gives the Governor free reign over how the remaining laborers are situated to best help their cities.)

Back to official business: In about an hour, Governor, I will be posting an "approve/reject" question to you per proposal that gets or exceeds 10 votes in this poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=99751). Your sign off is necessary for each proposal to go on the "final ballot".

More when I have given the save a more thorough inspection...

Lord Governor, If I may be so bold to do Da' Cheat's Job...

Why are we building a Spearman in our new town of Manchai when this town is on the border of a rival that "admires" us and therefore would be useful in Culture War?

I can understand having a Spearman in Bentropolis. After all, it has only a Warrior and geenrates 1 SPT. My concern is that it's sandwiched between 2 Zulu cities. If we don't flip Swazi soon, Bentropolis could be at risk. I'd just like to point that out to you. Address what you think is the greater threat at Benny.

Manchai is a totally different story. It has 2 SPT, so a Temple would only be 13 turns away. Plus, a Spearman is already there. If Babs don't get the Gardens, we could look at the possibility of flipping Akkad. Farfetched I know, but at least we could hold the current border this way.

Please change Manchai's Spearman to a Temple.

You are right. i was thinking of the wrong thing. I was thinking worker instead of laborer. I admit at making the mistake. :blush:

I still don't CT is try to put ant cities down the gutter.

edit: I see you explained it further but that wasn't needed. I already looked it up. It wasn't like I was neglecting it either, since I had done it before.

No, I know you haven't been neglecting it, as you've worked with me before with "Laborers". The only reason I brought it up is that we are depriving Fanatikku shields and giving those shields to Immo, when Immo doesn't need them. Immo has another forest and two mines to use. ;)

Lord Governor,

While this Article (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=99823) has not yet been ratified; given that no law currently exists for the purposes of creating new Provinces, I would like to get the "ball" rolling ahead of time rather than wait 24 Hours for the Law to offically pass.

Therefore, I am presenting to you the proposals that have passed the 10-vote muster in this poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=99751) for your individual review:


Cyc's Proposal (Domestic Codename: "Centra Provincia") (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2180249&postcount=6)


Yep. Only 1 passed Muster.

Should you accept this proposal, it will then return to the "House" for a Final Approval Poll.

If you want an updated map, of cities and how they fit within these borders, I can provide it.

Please respond quickly.

Also, if you think that since such a law has not yet passed your equivlaent approval is not needed, then say so, please, so I can return it to the "House" for "Final Approval".

Minister Sir Donald III:
A) The Centra Provincia Plan has the approval of Zarnia.
B) If you look at my orders it says temples or spears for new cities in the last turn chat. I am going to look at the save to see what is best (at least in my opinion).

Justice Cyc:
A) I'm going to load up a save, after this response, and I'll look into it.
B) I just thought having an 'A)' looked stupid by itself.

Mayors: Please note Cyc's dedication. From now on, I want active mayors. You can pm me, write in this thread, or whatever, just get at least once message across to me ar least every two turnchats. I don't care if it is, everything looks great Zarn, or I think your queue is horrible and is ruining my city. Please. Please. Please, tell me something. If someone asks to be the mayor of a city where the current mayor has not said anything to me in a while, that new person has the job and the former loses it. You all have a clean slate at this point. Zarnia is HUGE, so please help out, when you can.

I will look for more in the 'Relocation part, later.'

Build Queues
Fanatikku: Library, Colosseum, Horse
Furuyama: Galley, Galley, Horse
Immo: Worker, Settler, Worker, Horse
Epolenep: Horse, Court, Horse
Zojoji: Aqueduct, Colosseum
Odawara: Library, Court
Shorin-Ryu: Spear, Sword, Sword
Regent Town: Library, Court
Corrino: Library, Court
Osgiliath: Temple, Court
En'Gha/R'yleh: Walls, Library
Sto’vo’kor: Temple, Harbor
Windurst: Harbor, Court
Pete: Temple, Walls
Manchai: Temple, Harbor
Bentropolis: Temple, Spear, Walls

Laborer Relocation

Immo: move from river forest to road/ mined desert
Fanatikku: move from hill (northern one) to forest Immo laborer left

Governor Zarn,

Continue the temple at Pete, but then after that please build a Harbor, not walls...

Thanks!

Mayor Truckingpete

Governor Zarn,

Continue the temple at Pete, but then after that please build a Harbor, not walls...

Thanks!

Mayor Truckingpete

Request granted.

Commercial city lover. :p

Request granted.

Commercial city lover. :p

Thank you! :D I suppose I better get a city thread going soon

- TP

Zarn, I completely agree with the courthouse then library build queue. Perhaps after that, a marketplace?

Zarn, I completely agree with the courthouse then library build queue. Perhaps after that, a marketplace?

:mischief:

Why do you think I want currency so bad? :evil:

You like techs that have two of the same letters in a row? ;)

This is a copy of a message to Mayor Cyc of Zojoji.

May it Please... The Mayor!

The build queue for Zojoji is currently Collesium. This would provide 2 new Content faces in 14 turns.

By maintaining our current research, we will get Feudalism in 12. This would make this city a prime location as a home for a Military Researcher named Sun Tzu, given there would already be 12 turns of production there.

But, if this is not your intent, I would like to make this recommendation:

Have the building changed to a Marketplace.

This building will finish in 12 and will produce 1 Extra Happy since we have 3 Luxuries, which should net the same result as the Collesium.

In addition, it would increase your city's contributions to our Treasury by 50%, allowing for more buildings, as well as funding military upgrades.

Governor(s), just something to note. We're building courthouses in cities that only have 2 corruption, and plenty of shields. We don't need courthouses in these cities. It's cities that have 50% corruption or more that we DO need courthouses in. Please switch the less corrupt courthouses to markets.

Governor Zarn, looking back at the last turn chat, I notice you ignored or forgot about Zojoji's request to put our next Laborer on the roaded Forest tile between Zojoji and Shorin Ryu. That move would have increased our shield output as well as our Commerce. Please keep in mind that Shorin Ryu is no longer in OUR Province, and I request that Zojoji be allowed to use that tile, as it was originally within our city limits. I don't feel we should be giving it's use to the Eastern Province (Edo).

Also, I would like to draw your attention to this post in the Zojoji City thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2198801&postcount=42). It is in response to a post by Sir Donald III. The picture in that post has a request for a Laborer relocation also. As stated in that post, I can't understand why the SW Greassland was mined, as it wasn't needed. We have plenty of hills for mining, and irrigation had been discussed prior to the turn chat. Please request irrigation in the near future. I've mentioned this in the above post also.

I agree with your choice of building a Colosseum in our humble city. With the addition of the Aqueduct, fresh water will surely increase the size of Zojoji, and a Colosseum will keep our more rowdy citizens happy and content. This will be especially true when we build a Wonder and/or go to War and get one of our Luxuries cut from the system.

I would request that tile stay for Shorin-Ryu at least for some time. Zojoji currently have 2 unused forest and can use other forest (while losing only +1 commerce). From the other side, Shorin-Ryu will lose a shield. I think shield > commerce.
There is more reasons. Zojoji has 6 workers mining iron, those 6 workers can mine all hills in just a few turns (hill 1-3-1, forest 1-2-1). While Shorin-Ryu hills are not mined yet (in process) and there are only 3 workers compared to Zojoji's 6.
Therefore i beleive its in Japanatica's interest that Shorin-Ryu use that tile.
But,in long term, I think we should start initiative to legaly decide who has the right to work that tile; or to make some kind of agreement between governors.

Governor Zarn, this is what I'm talking about. Let's be honest here. The only reason Shorin Ryu was placed where it was, is so that it could steal my forest tile. Governor invy has more Workers than he says, and he just posted in the President's thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2200025&postcount=30) requesting those Workers do all this other work, such as clear a Shorin Ryu forest and irrigate it so Corrino can use it. Even Governor invy knows we need the Forest tile between Zojoji and Shorin Ryu cut down and irrigated to get water to Zojoji. So he claims he needs that tile as a forest, so he can clear another forest tile and irrigate for another city to use? This is unfair and we need to rectify this situation. Unless you do something about it, Edo is going to get preferential treament from the President. Zojoji's growth will suffer as a result. Please help.

Governor Zarn, this is what I'm talking about. Let's be honest here. The only reason Shorin Ryu was placed where it was, is so that it could steal my forest tile. Governor invy has more Workers than he says, and he just posted in the President's thread (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2200025&postcount=30) requesting those Workers do all this other work, such as clear a Shorin Ryu forest and irrigate it so Corrino can use it. Even Governor invy knows we need the Forest tile between Zojoji and Shorin Ryu cut down and irrigated to get water to Zojoji. So he claims he needs that tile as a forest, so he can clear another forest tile and irrigate for another city to use? This is unfair and we need to rectify this situation. Unless you do something about it, Edo is going to get preferential treament from the President. Zojoji's growth will suffer as a result. Please help.

Hm... To be honest mayor Cyc, I think you are trying to protect Zojoji TOO MUCH. Noone have intention to 'steal' from Zojoji or to slow down Zojoji.
I will clarify little more:
Edo have 7 workers and 4 cities with mostly unimproved teritory (that means 7 workers to improve 4 cities), while Zojoji itself has 6 workers. The forest I want to clear is not Zojoji's and it is in Corrino's best interest to remove that forest.
Zojoji can use other forests (source of minerals) while Shorin-Ryu can't yet.
It doesn't mean Shorin-Ryu will forever use that tile, it only means Shorin-Ryu needs that tile more than Zojoji.

Well as you may have noticed, invy the road from Zojoji to Shorin Ryu was roaded before it could be used, for no reason. As soon as Shorin Ryu increased to Temple size, that was the first and only tile it used. I knew that was the plan as soon as I saw the proposed site for the city. Sure enough, people couldn't get it done fast enough.

You were just talking to me about getting Zojoji some irrigation, and when I said 'Yes, it should come through the hills between Zojoji and Shorin Ryu' you not only stopped talking, but are requesting the same work to be done elsewhere. What's the matter? Your idea of getting Zojoji irrigation for growth doesn't matter now that your a Governor? Who's protecting what now, invy?

Govenor Zarn,
Determined by This poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=100033) and this poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=100131), We are to start the Hanging Gardens in Fanatikku and a palace in Zojoji, as prebuilds. Perhaps last TC I should've informed you about this, but I'm saying it now. Please, change you build queues accordingly.

Govenor Zarn,
Determined by This poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=100033) and this poll (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=100131), We are to start the Hanging Gardens in Fanatikku and a palace in Zojoji, as prebuilds. Perhaps last TC I should've informed you about this, but I'm saying it now. Please, change you build queues accordingly.

I know about that. A little unfortunate we have to do it with markets or colloseums first, but I know that I have no choice.

Well as you may have noticed, invy the road from Zojoji to Shorin Ryu was roaded before it could be used, for no reason. As soon as Shorin Ryu increased to Temple size, that was the first and only tile it used. I knew that was the plan as soon as I saw the proposed site for the city. Sure enough, people couldn't get it done fast enough.

You were just talking to me about getting Zojoji some irrigation, and when I said 'Yes, it should come through the hills between Zojoji and Shorin Ryu' you not only stopped talking, but are requesting the same work to be done elsewhere. What's the matter? Your idea of getting Zojoji irrigation for growth doesn't matter now that your a Governor? Who's protecting what now, invy?

Leting him have the one additional trade is alright for now. I think it would be better to irrigate from the north, anyway. I will demand the tile back (It is in our province, afterall), when they have mined hills, so they can't complain of not having two shielded tiles.

Thank you for the consideration, Governor Zarn. One thing though. In looking at your Instructions, I've noticed that you forgot to get the Laborer moved from the mined Grassland SW of the city to the Forest NE, E of the city. I don't think Edo has requested that Forest tile yet. ;) And please put an additional note in there that no Forest tiles are to be cut down unless we request it. ok?

I made this request earlier in this post. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2198801&postcount=42) See the pic (visual aid) for the movement of the Laborer.

I don't understand why all this talking now? I do agree Zojoji needs to irrigate grassland as i stated before. You can do it from Shorin-Ryu, i have nothing against that. I didn't stop talking, I stated what I wanted and I don't know what i have done to stop that plan. What is the problem?

Zarn, I think it would be better to irrigate from Shorin-Ryu.

The problem is Shorin-Ryu needs first to mine hills (currently it uses forest tile as mineral source). If Zarn could send Workers to irrigate wine tile (i want to irrigate it anyway but can't at the moment) and clear the forest it is perfectly fine (these two tiles are the only way irrigation can be brought to Zojoji from east).

By the time Workers do that job hills around Shorin-Ryu hills will be mined and it will not need that forest tile. Irrigation of Wines would also help.

This would benefit both Zojoji and Shorin-Ryu. I think we should start immediately with this plan.

Oh, well good. :thumbsup: I'm glad we agree. I knew we did, we just needed to work it out on paper. It's not really right for one Governor to request work in another Governor's Province, so it's always best to get a written dialouge going in the approriate threads.

Because Zojoji is now to be switched to a Wonder instead of the Happiness producing Colosseum, irrigation is not a major concern at this time, as we don't want an over-populated city rioting. Plus, word is out that irrigation may be comin from the North, who knows, getting info from the President is like pulling teeth. ;)

So, hopefully the Hills of Zojoji will be mined and our growth slow until we near the completion of the Wonder (unless we can snag some furs or another lux!). Thanks for your help, Governor invy.

You are always welcome :)
I'm glad this problem is solved.

Thank you for the consideration, Governor Zarn. One thing though. In looking at your Instructions, I've noticed that you forgot to get the Laborer moved from the mined Grassland SW of the city to the Forest NE, E of the city. I don't think Edo has requested that Forest tile yet. ;) And please put an additional note in there that no Forest tiles are to be cut down unless we request it. ok?

I made this request earlier in this post. (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2198801&postcount=42) See the pic (visual aid) for the movement of the Laborer.

Alright, I switch it.

The Military Departmen asks that Swordsmen become a top priority in the build queues of our high production cities for the purpose of crushing Rome and Babylon.

Rome has signed an alliance with Babylon against us! This, and the fact that our sword stack LOST!!! is why I wanted our top two cities producing SWORDS, not wonders! We need swords (more than horses right now). Samurai will come in due time.

You may want to talk to Minister snipelfritz, not Governor Zarn. :)

Also, please see that cities build a barracks before building any military units. We regular units are almost worthless to us.

Also, please see that cities build a barracks before building any military units. We regular units are almost worthless to us.

I believe they all do, but first I need that stupid wonder thing off my back.

CT. After this past turnchat, I am seriously considering repolling the prebuilds.
"Seriously considering" meaning about to do it.

Odawara is without a Barracks dear Governor ;).

Odawara is without a Barracks dear Governor ;).

Minister Civanator, Odawara is far from the borders of Zarnia. ;)

That would be Edo Province. The domain of Governor invy .

Odawara queue will be set to Barracks immediately next turnchat. Shorin-Ryu can produce Swordsman (or horseman) every 3 turns, Engha, Corrino and Odawara will all have Barracks in 4-5 turns. They can produce Swordsman every 4-5 turns.
I wanted to build more Swordsman but people wants Horseman so they can upgrade to Samurai. Maybe we should hold discussion or a poll to decide about our attacking force.

RegentMan is in charge of queues for this chat. That way we can have changes, because if I gave orders and left (on vacation), RegentMan wouldn't be able to overturn any of them.

Quickly, while he's gone, burn all of his official documents and change the name from Zarnia to Regentia. ;)

According to this post (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2206686&postcount=15), the entire pre-build issue is going to be repolled, so we'll need to wait until Sunday. If the option to halt all or one of the pre-builds wins, then what shall we change Fanatikku's and Zojoji's production to before pumping out swords?

Quickly, while he's gone, burn all of his official documents and change the name from Zarnia to Regentia. ;)

According to this post (http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2206686&postcount=15), the entire pre-build issue is going to be repolled, so we'll need to wait until Sunday. If the option to halt all or one of the pre-builds wins, then what shall we change Fanatikku's and Zojoji's production to before pumping out swords?

I'm not gone until the afternoon. You fell into my trap. Chieftess has all my original documents with her. :evil:

As for instuctions. Just say in the chat thread that IF prebuilds are tossed out the window, do this instead. I wouldn't switch to swords, immediately, but I would quickly build an imprvement in each than alot of units.

Well, the best improvement for Fanatikku in this situation is Collesium, (drops 29+15 shields).

In Zojoji, you can either go to Grannery (3 Turns), or else make a Sword immediately at the net loss of 1 turn.

Again, depends on which Prebuild(s) are canceled.

I wouldn't switch to swords, immediately, but I would quickly build an imprvement in each than alot of units.
I agree with that. My question was basically asking that if the pre-builds are canceled. And since we won't find out until Sunday, I feel that a little discussion in case they're stopped would be good.

Well, please, let's not put a Granary in Zojoji if things go that way. A Colosseum would be a much better idea. We don't want to be restricting the city's growth or production battling unhappiness.

Okay, so far these are what seems to be the popular choices:

Fanatikku
Colosseum

Zojoji
Granary
Colosseum

Okay, so far these are what seems to be the popular choices:

Fanatikku
Colosseum

Zojoji
Granary
Colosseum


*groans* NO!! They should be building swords! Zojoji has nothing but hills left right now, so their growth is almost over.

*groans* NO!! They should be building swords! Zojoji has nothing but hills left right now, so their growth is almost over.
They will be going on sword production after they complete a city improvement. No sense on wasting so many shields.

We shouldn't have wasted them in the first place...

We shouldn't have wasted them in the first place...

Too late to change anything. Let's not dwell on the past.

Deputy Govenor RegentMan,

I am not sure if you are aware of it, but I have left the choice of what Fanatikku and Zojoji will be changed to up to you. I know you have already been discussing it, and I was just reminding you to include it in your instructions.

Here's what I posted in the TCIT. Please comment.

Fanatikku
Colosseum (Will waste 29 shields)
Swordsman
Swordsman (Produce until end of chat)

Zojoji
Great Lighthouse Pre-build (If the above poll changes before the chat, change this to a colosseum (Mayor Cyc's preference))
Swordsman (If the above poll changes)
Swordsman (If the above poll changes, produce these until end of chat)

Immo
Marketplace (Due in 32 turns)
Horseman
Horseman

Furuyama
Galley (Due in three)
Worker
Marketplace

My reasoning: Fanatikku and Zojoji are obvious why they're producing what they are. For Immo, a horse takes nine turns to produce, which I don't think is worth the time. Therefore, I feel we should increase the tax collection while it grows, then make the horses. As for Furuyama, I wasn't sure what to put there, so I figure get a worker out there and improve the terrain while it works on a marketplace to turn it into a nice fishing town.

I strongly disagree with changing Immo to a marketplace from a horseman. Honestly, 32 turns for a marketplace?
Let it complete it's Horseman then commence with a marketplace. We really can't forfeit any chance we have at building units, especially horsemen since they upgrade to Samurai.

Governor Zarn,
I have a request. I would like to borrow the use of the unimproved bonus grassland between Immo and Eridu. This will allow Eridu to have both suplus food and additional production.

Thanks - MOTH
Governor of Hairando Province

Governor Zarn,
I have a request. I would like to borrow the use of the unimproved bonus grassland between Immo and Eridu. This will allow Eridu to have both suplus food and additional production.

Thanks - MOTH
Governor of Hairando Province

Okay, but keep in mind that I won't be governmor for long, and so the continuation of use must be okay with Rik.

Okay, but keep in mind that I won't be governmor for long, and so the continuation of use must be okay with Rik.

Now that's the way Governors should cooperate with each other. Start a conversation and complete the details. NOT the President/DP stealing a tile after it was developed for no reason.