Bed_head7 noticed that the entire-civ culture victory requirement was 100k, not 130k like it should be for a large map - thanks for bringing that to my attention! :goodjob:

My apologies about this - I was too focused on getting the tech cost and corruption modifiers checked that I didn't think to check this!

We will modify the Jason Parameters for the map to even things out.

Pretty funny - I'm going for 130K and hadn't noticed this. Must have been in front of my face a few times by now. Oh well, looks like I'll be finishing 4 or 5 turns sooner than I expected. (Just kidding! Actually a bit over 15 I would think!)

Damn! Just my luck. Though I probably wasn't going to get the best date anyway, my game is going pretty well.

Pretty funny - I'm going for 130K and hadn't noticed this. Must have been in front of my face a few times by now. Oh well, looks like I'll be finishing 4 or 5 turns sooner than I expected. (Just kidding! Actually a bit over 15 I would think!)
Well, I wish I could laugh about it! :blush:

Aeson seems to think that in terms of the Jason score the difference would have been minimal anyway, and when we 'fudge' the jason parameters its won't make much difference.

However, the large map has also caused the problem with submissions as well, so its a learning curve for us all!

SirPleb, since you haven't posted in the spoiler yet (have you?), would you mind telling me just how early you were getting 2000 cpt?

SirPleb, since you haven't posted in the spoiler yet (have you?), would you mind telling me just how early you were getting 2000 cpt?
I'm just writing my spoiler one post now. But I'm afraid the answer to this question (and to whether I make it to 2000cpt) will have to wait for a later spoiler ;)

Oops, I see I misread your first post. I missed the 'I would think'

I've had a similar experience, but on a small map. Had been staring at the F8 screen constantly, calculating how many turns remained until my 100K victory (I was trying a variant with Feudalism, pop-rushing culture like mad), and suddenly got the "You have achieved a Cultural Victory" a full century before I expected! :) How I missed the 80,000 requirement, when it was plainly listed on F8, I have no idea.

Anyway, good luck and I'll look forward to reading your spoilers, SirPleb, I love a good cultural victory!

So , What do we need to achieve a 100K in the COTM4 game : 100K or 130K ?
Thanks
LeSphinx

100K
(That answer is too short though as it's less than 10 characters!)

For the record, we've adjusted the Jason best date for this game as if it were a Classic game on a large map. The reduction this makes in the Jason scores for all-city culture victories is less than 1%.

AlanH, what is the impact ? Does it means that the Jason best date will be earlier ?
LeSphinx

Yes, the best date for this victory condition is earlier than it would be on a standard map. But as Jason scores are relatively insensitive to best date the actual impact is felt as a <1% reduction in score.

OK... this is my first COTM... what the heck is a Jason score??? and how do I figure this out compaired to my regular score???

OK... this is my first COTM... what the heck is a Jason score??? and how do I figure this out compaired to my regular score???

Take a look at this link

http://gotm.civfanatics.net/games/score.shtml

100K
(That answer is too short though as it's less than 10 characters!)

Could've just written it out in words: "One hundred thousand CULTURE!". And done that thing with your little finger whilst writing it. I'll stop now.

Neil. :cool:

I'm going for 130K

Noooooooo!!!!!!! There goes my easy award for this one. :(

This is another off topic post though it is sort of on topic. Sort of.

Temples created by Temple of Artemis don't recieve the double culture bonus after 1000 years? That seems to be the case, and I am rather disappointed since that will add quite a few turns. Though I think I will still be right on the brink of my pre game goal for my finish, 1500 AD.

This is another off topic post though it is sort of on topic. Sort of.

Temples created by Temple of Artemis don't recieve the double culture bonus after 1000 years? That seems to be the case, and I am rather disappointed since that will add quite a few turns. Though I think I will still be right on the brink of my pre game goal for my finish, 1500 AD.
I haven't played enough C3C to notice! Can you send me a save file for my own enlightenment on this please? (gotm@civfanatics.net).

I haven't played enough C3C to notice! Can you send me a save file for my own enlightenment on this please? (gotm@civfanatics.net).
Actually, my submittal for COTM1 (Incans , errrr, I mean Hittites ) shows the same effect; ToA temples do not double after 1000 years BUT cities that had temples in them prior to ToA DO double.

Which score is used to calculate the Jason score? Is it the histographic score (ie. the average score of all your turns) or a score based on land area and citizens on your final turn?

The histographic score is used. We subtract the victory bonus that's added in-game, which is only dependent on date and difficulty, and replace it with a Jason victory bonus related to the victory type as well. Then we normalise this total to 10,000 by multiplying it by 10000/best_score, where best_score is based on the map land area and food resources.

Though civ_steve already backed me up, I can give you a save if you want, though I do not know how much good that would do. I guess I should have realized that the doubling wouldn't happen though, because ToA temples do not show up on the Cultural Advisor screen. But anyway, I remember noting my capture of Washington and ToA in 150 BC and expected my culture to receive a boost at 850 AD. Instead, my cpt only went up by twelve because of libraries I had rushed.

I can back you up, too...
ToA temples disappear with Education. So, you shouldn't expect the doubling (a lot of newbies posted the diasappearance as a bug, but this is intended).
But you can still go on building temples that you have already started, when you got the ToA. But you can't start build new temples up to Education.

I was aware of the disappearance, which is why it is 880AD and I still haven't researched Education. But thanks anyway.

I think we will get a lot of 100k culture victories (see my post on page 8 of spoiler 1) as temple of Artemis + fast growing Civ = easy culture, and besides you can get to cavalry without education (although not communism, which would be very handy)