Just browsing the internet looking for ideas on new civs to mod into my game. Came across a Netchez website where they seemed to suggest theirs is the oldest government on the face of the earth:

http://www.natcheznation.gq.nu/

Now I know there's a lot of BS floating around on the internet, so I don't take such fantastic claims at face value. Suspect this point is debatable. But is there something to what the Natchez are saying? Are they related to the "Mississippian" peoples who settled the Mississippi basin?

This is their competition.

http://www.iomguide.com/government.php

It depends, if your talking about former govt.s and counting dynasties then the Imperial Chinese government would be the longest running, however if it means surviving government that I would agree with Kafka

the Imperial chinese government is interrupted by a few usrupers; but discountign them, the mongols are big gnash taking away the title of longest running gov from them, and proptlly bestowing it upon the eithiopeians, whos only forign occupation was that during/just before the send world war

But the Mongols are considered a part of the Imperial Chinese Governments...They established the Yuan Dynasty.

show me the linkage :p

though anyway you go about it, there was still a period of time when china was under forigne rule

So? These days, you hear about the Chinese wanting to take over the world, rather than the Ethiopians. :p

And the Mongol govt of China was set up as a Chinese-style dynasty. But I wouldn't count it as a continuity, despite its superficial Chinese appearance.

On-topic, I believe the oldest continual 'government' is probably some tribal chieftainship in some remote region, like Papua New Guinea, deepest Africa etc.

I don't think the Japanese ever had a dynastic change. Though at times, the Emperor was nothing more than a figure head fought over by various factions eg. the Tokagawa Shogunate, the Warring States era, he/she was still (nominally) the head of the government. The Japanese had a tradition of (quietly) forcing rulers to abdicate when they didn't like them, instead of dynastic change. So I vote for the Japanese.

So? These days, you hear about the Chinese wanting to take over the world, rather than the Ethiopians. :p

And the Mongol govt of China was set up as a Chinese-style dynasty. But I wouldn't count it as a continuity, despite its superficial Chinese appearance.

On-topic, I believe the oldest continual 'government' is probably some tribal chieftainship in some remote region, like Papua New Guinea, deepest Africa etc.

On-topic, I believe the oldest continual 'government' is probably some tribal chieftainship in some remote region, like Papua New Guinea, deepest Africa etc.

I think this /\ is what the Natchez are claiming. May or may not be true. Where's Mobilize when you need him?

Odd:

"The British Monarchy is the oldest government on earth, with history you can trace it back to the kings of Judah."

http://www.angelfire.com/la/israel3/kgdm/throne.html

Would love to see someone try & explain this one.

THat's what I thought, I thought the British had the longest running govt. They've been in a psuedo monarchy almost as long as I've been alive.. :lol:

"The British Monarchy is the oldest government on earth, with history you can trace it back to the kings of Judah."




I think the presence of a few violent changes of hand rules it out.

I'm dubious of the claims of links to the Kings of Judah. Links back to Beli Mawr are claimed via the Tudors, but that's shakey as hell. The oldest claim given any credence is back to Cerdic via the Wessex line- circa 500AD.

It's got to be the Danish monarchy.

Actually, the oldest monarchy in one uninterrupted line is Denmark, dating back to the 900s

A.F.A.I.K the oldes monarchy is the Japanese

A)the japanese no longer have a monarchy

B)Monarchies arnt a government at large; true they are the rulers of a nation, but the system in which t they rule is more properlyl termed the government in this case, a case where governments with no actual monarchs are elliglble to be ranked as well

C)the Chinese and Ethiopeans were both around long before the japanese, and had orginized governments long before the japanese

Xen, actually Japan still has its' monarchy; the current emperor is Akihito.

The japanese tennos have reigned over 2.500 years without interruption - only one dynasty.
The chinese have had some more dynasties (until 1911).

A)agian we're not talkign dynasties here, but over all government, and this essentially means a nations self-control

B)interesting fact about the japanese, though it still dosetn change that China and Ethiopeia are the still the two biggest candidates, and of the two ehtiopea is, IMO the winner, having only ever lost self-rule once in its history, due to the bad choices of Italy (to say the least ethiopia was not really needed as a colony, but the Italians wanted to get in on the land grab, to finally become a major european power in the post napoleon european world....

Maybe there's a reason that China was conquered twice while Ethropia was only conquered once. China was strong and resisted all invaders aside from Mongols and Manchus, while the Ethropians had little to offer and no one ever attempted a large invasion of it.

Tokugawa united Japan in the 17th century, 800 years after Denmark.

But Japan never has been splitted into several kingdoms.
There were local daimyos and shoguns, but they have never separated from Japan.

Surely tis Bhutan...