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PythonErr2 crash

nokmirt — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:51:49 GMT

I have been playtesting my 1861 AD mod and everything was fine until turn 81, Fortnight 2 August 1864. When I end the turn it thinks for about 30-40 seconds and crashes. I will display the error file. Please let me no if you see a problem.

Spoiler:

[CODE]sys.path = ['..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\email', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\encodings', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\build', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\lib', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale' , '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\py', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\tools', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\lib\\co lourchooser', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\lib\\ed itor', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\lib\\fl oatcanvas', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\lib\\ma sked', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\lib\\mi xins', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\lib\\og l', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \af', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \ca', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \cs', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \da', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \de', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \el', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \es', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \eu', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \fi', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \fr', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \hi', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \hu', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \id', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \it', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \ja', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \lv', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \nb', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \nl', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \pl', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \pt_BR', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \ru', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \sl', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \sv', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \tr', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \uk', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \zh_CN', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \zh_TW', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \af\\LC_MESSAGES', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \ca\\LC_MESSAGES', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \cs\\LC_MESSAGES', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \da\\LC_MESSAGES', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \de\\LC_MESSAGES', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \el\\LC_MESSAGES', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \es\\LC_MESSAGES', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \eu\\LC_MESSAGES', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \fi\\LC_MESSAGES', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \fr\\LC_MESSAGES', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \hi\\LC_MESSAGES', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \hu\\LC_MESSAGES', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \id\\LC_MESSAGES', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \it\\LC_MESSAGES', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \ja\\LC_MESSAGES', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \lv\\LC_MESSAGES', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \nb\\LC_MESSAGES', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \nl\\LC_MESSAGES', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \pl\\LC_MESSAGES', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \pt_BR\\LC_MESSAGES', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \ru\\LC_MESSAGES', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \sl\\LC_MESSAGES', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \sv\\LC_MESSAGES', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \tr\\LC_MESSAGES', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \uk\\LC_MESSAGES', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \zh_CN\\LC_MESSAGES', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\locale\ \zh_TW\\LC_MESSAGES', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\py\\tes ts', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\tools\\ XRCed', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM\\wx\\tools\\ XRCed\\src-images', '..\\WARLORDS\\ASSETS\\PYTHON\\SYSTEM']

sys.modules = {'zipimport': , 'signal': , '__builtin__': , 'sys': , '__main__': , 'exceptions': , 'CvPythonExtensions': }

sys.builtin_module_names = ('CvPythonExtensions', '__builtin__', '__main__', '_bisect', '_codecs', '_codecs_cn', '_codecs_hk', '_codecs_iso2022', '_codecs_jp', '_codecs_kr', '_codecs_tw', '_csv', '_heapq', '_hotshot', '_locale', '_multibytecodec', '_random', '_sre', '_subprocess', '_symtable', '_weakref', '_winreg', 'array', 'audioop', 'binascii', 'cPickle', 'cStringIO', 'cmath', 'collections', 'datetime', 'errno', 'exceptions', 'gc', 'imageop', 'imp', 'itertools', 'marshal', 'math', 'md5', 'mmap', 'msvcrt', 'nt', 'operator', 'parser', 'regex', 'rgbimg', 'sha', 'signal', 'strop', 'struct', 'sys', 'thread', 'time', 'xxsubtype', 'zipimport')
load_module CvEventInterface
load_module BugEventManager
load_module CvEventManager
load_module CvUtil
load_module traceback
load_module PyHelpers
load_module BugCore
load_module BugUtil
load_module time
load_module ColorUtil
21:40:39 INFO : BugCore - creating uninitialized mod RevDCM
load_module CvScreensInterface
load_module CvMainInterface
load_module ScreenInput
load_module CvScreenEnums
load_module GodsOfOld
load_module RevInstances
load_module CvConfigParser
load_module ConfigParser
load_module CvPath
load_module _winreg
load_module CvModName
os.getcwd(): C:\Program Files (x86)\2K Games\Firaxis Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 4 Complete\Beyond the Sword
os.getcwd(): C:\Program Files (x86)\2K Games\Firaxis Games\Sid Meier's Civilization 4 Complete\Beyond the Sword
CvPath.assetsPath
[u'C:\\Users\\Administrator\\Documents\\My Games\\Beyond the Sword\\Mods\\RevolutionDCM\\Assets', u'C:\\Users\\Administrator\\Documents\\My Games\\Beyond the Sword\\CustomAssets', "C:\\Program Files (x86)\\2K Games\\Firaxis Games\\Sid Meier's Civilization 4 Complete\\Beyond the Sword\\Mods\\RevolutionDCM\\Assets", "C:\\Program Files (x86)\\2K Games\\Firaxis Games\\Sid Meier's Civilization 4 Complete\\Beyond the Sword\\Assets"]
filenames
[u'C:\\Users\\Administrator\\Documents\\My Games\\Beyond the Sword\\Mods\\RevolutionDCM\\Addons.ini', u'C:\\Users\\Administrator\\Documents\\My Games\\Beyond the Sword\\Addons.ini', "C:\\Program Files (x86)\\2K Games\\Firaxis Games\\Sid Meier's Civilization 4 Complete\\Beyond the Sword\\Mods\\RevolutionDCM\\Addons.ini", "C:\\Program Files (x86)\\2K Games\\Firaxis Games\\Sid Meier's Civilization 4 Complete\\Beyond the Sword\\Addons.ini"]
CvPath.assetsPath
[u'C:\\Users\\Administrator\\Documents\\My Games\\Beyond the Sword\\Mods\\RevolutionDCM\\Assets', u'C:\\Users\\Administrator\\Documents\\My Games\\Beyond the Sword\\CustomAssets', "C:\\Program Files (x86)\\2K Games\\Firaxis Games\\Sid Meier's Civilization 4 Complete\\Beyond the Sword\\Mods\\RevolutionDCM\\Assets", "C:\\Program Files (x86)\\2K Games\\Firaxis Games\\Sid Meier's Civilization 4 Complete\\Beyond the Sword\\Assets"]
filenames
[u'C:\\Users\\Administrator\\Documents\\My Games\\Beyond the Sword\\Mods\\RevolutionDCM\\Revolution.ini', u'C:\\Users\\Administrator\\Documents\\My Games\\Beyond the Sword\\Revolution.ini', "C:\\Program Files (x86)\\2K Games\\Firaxis Games\\Sid Meier's Civilization 4 Complete\\Beyond the Sword\\Mods\\RevolutionDCM\\Revolution.ini", "C:\\Program Files (x86)\\2K Games\\Firaxis Games\\Sid Meier's Civilization 4 Complete\\Beyond the Sword\\Revolution.ini"]
load_module BugOptions
load_module BugConfigTracker
load_module BugInit
load_module BugConfig
load_module xmllib
..\WARLORDS\ASSETS\PYTHON\SYSTEM\xmllib.py:9: DeprecationWarning: The xmllib module is obsolete. Use xml.sax instead.
load_module BugPath
load_module FontUtil
load_module InputUtil
load_module configobj
load_module __future__
load_module codecs
load_module validate
validate import failed
21:40:39 INFO : BugCore - creating uninitialized mod NJAGC
21:40:39 INFO : BugCore - creating uninitialized mod Scores
21:40:39 INFO : BugCore - creating uninitialized mod MainInterface
21:40:39 INFO : BugCore - creating uninitialized mod CityScreen
load_module MonkeyTools
load_module AStarTools
21:40:39 INFO : BugCore - creating uninitialized mod PLE
load_module Scoreboard
load_module DealUtil
load_module PlayerUtil
load_module ReminderEventManager
load_module Popup
load_module SdToolKit
load_module cPickle
load_module autolog
21:40:39 INFO : BugCore - creating uninitialized mod Autolog
21:40:39 INFO : BugCore - creating uninitialized mod Reminder
load_module GGUtil
load_module GPUtil
load_module ProgressBarUtil
load_module RawYields
load_module CvTechChooser
load_module TechPrefs
21:40:39 INFO : BugCore - creating uninitialized mod Advisors
load_module CvForeignAdvisor
load_module math
load_module CvExoticForeignAdvisor
load_module IconGrid_BUG
load_module DomPyHelpers
load_module TechTree
load_module AttitudeUtil
load_module FavoriteCivicDetector
load_module CvReligionScreen
load_module CvCorporationScreen
load_module CvCivicsScreen
load_module CvVictoryScreen
load_module TechUtil
load_module CvEspionageAdvisor
21:40:39 INFO : BugCore - creating uninitialized mod BetterEspionage
load_module CvOptionsScreen
load_module CvReplayScreen
load_module CvHallOfFameScreen
load_module CvDanQuayle
load_module CvGameUtils
load_module RevDCM
load_module CvUnVictoryScreen
load_module CvDawnOfMan
load_module CvTechSplashScreen
load_module CvTopCivs
load_module random
load_module CvInfoScreen
load_module CvIntroMovieScreen
load_module CvVictoryMovieScreen
load_module CvWonderMovieScreen
load_module CvEraMovieScreen
load_module CvSpaceShipScreen
load_module SevoScreenEnums
load_module CvWorldBuilderScreen
load_module CvWorldBuilderDiplomacyScreen
load_module CvDebugTools
load_module CvDebugInfoScreen
load_module CvMapGeneratorUtil
load_module CvGFCScreen
load_module CvPopupInterface
load_module CvScreenUtilsInterface
load_module CvOverlayScreenUtils
load_module CvDotMapOverlayScreen
load_module CvStrategyOverlay
load_module SdToolkit
21:40:39 INFO : BugCore - creating uninitialized mod StrategyOverlay
load_module CvScreenUtils
load_module BugOptionsScreen
load_module BugErrorOptionsTab
load_module BugOptionsTab
21:40:40 INFO : BugCore - creating uninitialized mod TechWindow
init-ing world builder screen
load_module CvWBPopups
load_module CvCameraControls
load_module CvAdvisorUtils
load_module RevolutionInit
load_module RevDefs
load_module RevEvents
load_module pickle
load_module RevData
load_module SdToolKitCustom
load_module RevUtils
load_module RevCivicsUtils
load_module BarbarianCiv
load_module AIAutoPlay
load_module ChangePlayer
load_module Revolution
load_module RebelTypes
load_module TextUtils
load_module Tester
load_module TechDiffusion
load_module StartAsMinors
load_module DynamicCivNames
load_module LeaderCivNames
21:40:40 DEBUG: BugEventManager - adding event 'PreGameStart'
21:40:40 DEBUG: BugEventManager - adding event 'BeginActivePlayerTurn'
21:40:40 DEBUG: BugEventManager - adding event 'LanguageChanged'
21:40:40 DEBUG: BugEventManager - adding event 'ResolutionChanged'
21:40:40 DEBUG: BugEventManager - adding event 'PythonReloaded'
PY:Initializing Revolution Mod
CvPath.assetsPath
[u'C:\\Users\\Administrator\\Documents\\My Games\\Beyond the Sword\\Mods\\RevolutionDCM\\Assets', u'C:\\Users\\Administrator\\Documents\\My Games\\Beyond the Sword\\CustomAssets', "C:\\Program Files (x86)\\2K Games\\Firaxis Games\\Sid Meier's Civilization 4 Complete\\Beyond the Sword\\Mods\\RevolutionDCM\\Assets", "C:\\Program Files (x86)\\2K Games\\Firaxis Games\\Sid Meier's Civilization 4 Complete\\Beyond the Sword\\Assets"]
filenames
[u'C:\\Users\\Administrator\\Documents\\My Games\\Beyond the Sword\\Mods\\RevolutionDCM\\Revolution.ini', u'C:\\Users\\Administrator\\Documents\\My Games\\Beyond the Sword\\Revolution.ini', "C:\\Program Files (x86)\\2K Games\\Firaxis Games\\Sid Meier's Civilization 4 Complete\\Beyond the Sword\\Mods\\RevolutionDCM\\Revolution.ini", "C:\\Program Files (x86)\\2K Games\\Firaxis Games\\Sid Meier's Civilization 4 Complete\\Beyond the Sword\\Revolution.ini"]
21:40:40 DEBUG: BugInit - initializing...
21:40:40 DEBUG: BugInit - global context not ready
PY:OnInit
load_module CvAppInterface[CODE/]

Artillery & Blitz

wolf_brother — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:47:03 GMT

So, there's been a lot of talk going lately about artillery, and getting the AI to use it properly. Well, I noticed some time ago that by simply giving artillery units the Blitz flag that the AI will use the artillery, especially in an aggressive fashion. If you than add more movement (at least two, even more with the blitz is obviously good), high range and high ROF the AI will especially love them. Jewmpaloompa, who I've been working closely with and bouncing ideas off of for each of our projects on and off for several years, has also noticed this, and both of us have play-tested this feature. To summarize it very shortly, by simply giving the Artillery unit Blitz, the AI will move said artey into a position to attack, and will Bombard enemy cities. There are caveats of course; the AI will still only use and move artillery into positions where they aren't at risk. Jewmpaloompa should be adding more commentary onto this thread some point soon, as he's done far more testing on this subject than I have.

Discuss.

ive had this game on comp for a long time...

jiaka — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:42:50 GMT

ive lost the disks some years ago and now im stuck with the game on my comp. i need the room on my hard drive. please tell me there is a way of getting civ 4 off of my computer without having the original disks. help pls. ty

[Vanilla] civ4 wont even run: HELP

addy — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:28:36 GMT

I just recentaly bought civ4 for my new pc
in which it does meet at the System requirements
i installed it from Direct2drive.com
i have done the patch also from d2d

and it still won't run at all i get this message
-------------------------------------------------
problem Event Name: APPCRASH
Application Name: Civilization4.exe
Application Version: 1.6.1.1841
Application Timestamp: 442bfe09
Fault Module Name: Civilization4.exe
Fault Module Version: 1.6.1.1841
Fault Module Timestamp: 442bfe09
Exception Code: c0000005
Exception Offset: 0112ebdc
OS Version: 6.0.6002.2.2.0.768.3
Locale ID: 1033
Additional Information 1: 8560
Additional Information 2: c7e7b589b3d7aaa55d1ae3e1227872ff
Additional Information 3: a4f9
Additional Information 4: 43ce7b4e09c16a51d407505fb0e7cb56
------------------------------------------------------------------
i am currently downloading the patch from d2d to install the expansions
which i have got BtS
and warlords downloading atm
to install and patch as well
if anyone can help me understand this error message
thanks and know a fix also would be nice

all my drivers are up to date also

i have read and read fourms for the past 4 hours now im stumped
on what to do.

If Take-Two cant make Civ5 should we?

Ahovking — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:24:27 GMT

If 2K and Take-Two cant build Civ5 should we.
>we would need people like dale to help and realism team to work together.
>We need one big post or poeple to read smaller posts to read what to add to the new game.

Expansion Features

theclefe — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:01:57 GMT

A simple question for you experts. I'm a long time Civ player, but lost the disk many years ago (before the expansions) and recently bought the complete edition with the expansions. Installed everything and four icons appeared on my desktop. Civ IV, Warlords, BTS and Colonization. I quickly clicked on Civ 4 and dived into a game.

After playing for a few days I've realized that none of the expansion features are in the game. To get the new features would I simply click on the Beyond the Sword icon next time I start a new game? Are all the general features from Warlords in BTS too, aside from the scenarios? I looking particularly for the increased diplomacy options from the original. Thanks!

Reinstating Slavery

Nuclear kid — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 02:51:32 GMT

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/87012

Quote:

From: tmds-list-owner@mail-list.com
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 8:59 AM
Subject: First Black President to Reinstate Slavery?

First Black President to Reinstate Slavery?

When tyrants want to take the next big step towards
totalitarianism, they usually toss out some "trial balloons," both
to see how people react and to begin desensitizing people to the
new fascist agenda. If they're smart, they first propose a big leap
toward totalitarianism, and then cut it back to a small step. By
contrast, the peasants will not only be pleased with the smaller
step, but will be trained to think that the larger step is at least
debatably a good idea.

The American tyrants, and those in other countries, have done this
over and over again with "gun control" (peasant disarmament),
taxation, regulation, and so on. They suggest something startlingly
bad, then scale it back to only mildly obnoxious, and pass it. And
they keep doing it over and over again, until they've imposed all
sorts of things that in the past seemed outrageous. And since
hardly anyone thinks from PRINCIPLE, it works. Most people just
compare what is being proposed to what already is, assuming that
what already is must be more or less rational. For example, the
feds steal HALF of what everyone earns, and then bicker over little
increases here and there, each one of which doesn't seem all that
important. Whether you're a 49% slave or a 50% doesn't make much
difference, and those accustomed to their slavery aren't about to
insist on 0% slavery. That would require them to think based upon
PRINCIPLES, which most Americans are utterly incapable of.

A recent trial balloon of the Obama Regime came in the form of H.R.
45, proposing national gun registration, and enough "regulations"
to basically amount to universal disarmament. It won't pass, not
now anyway, but the Nazis wanted to see how people would react
to the idea, and begin to get the people used to it. For now, they'll
take smaller steps, like reinstating the "Depriving the People of
the Means of Resistance Act" of 2009--also known as the
reinstatement of the Clinton "Assault Weapons Ban." (The weapons
targeted there are NOT used in any significant amount of crime, but
ARE used throughout the world to resist tyrannical regimes. So why
does the GOVERNMENT not want YOU to have them? It doesn't take
a rocket scientist to figure it out.)

But, among all the fascist "trial balloons" already being floated
by the Obama Regime--and there are quite a few--one recently
came out that is particularly absurd. Again, the real intent, and the
real long term goal, was included in the initial proposal, but has
since disappeared from what is likely to pass in the near future.
Again, the tyrants want us getting used to the idea, while
pretending to "compromise" by toning down their fascism for the
time being.

I am speaking of the Orwellianishly titled, "Generations
Invigorating Volunteerism and Education" (GIVE) Act. Now, anyone
who has actually thought for a second or two about political
philosophy will immediately recognize that having the word
"volunteerism" in a "GOVERNMENT" Act is a bald-faced lie. The state
is the OPPOSITE of voluntaryism and volunteerism. Everything it
does, it does by forcible coercion, no matter how much fluff and
spin is used in an effort to hide that fact.

As originally proposed, the law would have had the federal fascists
beginning to consider the question of "[w]hether a workable, fair,
and reasonable MANDATORY service requirement for all able young
people could be developed." (That wording disappeared from the bill
before the House passed it.) A fine synonym for "mandatory service"
is "involuntary servitude," a.k.a. SLAVERY (prohibited by the 13th
Amendment). In other words, Barack Obama and his fellow Stalinists
are proposing reinstating slavery. Of course, it will be for NICE
reasons, and have NOBLE goals, so the unthinking American public
will probably fail to notice the PRINCIPLE involved: i.e., forced
labor is a bad thing. (For now, let's ignore the fact that an
"income tax" already amounts to slavery.)

As one who thinks from principles, let me make this perfectly
clear: If anyone ever tries to impose a "mandatory service
requirement" on MY kid, the results will not be pleasant.
There's a reason for the Second Amendment. This is it.

Sincerely,

Larken Rose

Crowd Control

Akkon888 — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 02:43:50 GMT

Yes, crowd control. Simply charge a small penalty for placing a bunch of units on one tile. Not only does this remove SoD's, but it makes the game a bit more tactical and realistic. Since when are there 10 million riflemen in a town, or a million or so crossing a river? Adding this penalization would induce formations to be developed.

So here is what I suggest. I suggest A maximum of 4 units (excluding non combat units) on one tile with no penalty. From then on, there will be a 5-7% strength reduction for ALL units on that tile, per unit in excess of 4. This effect is compound, meaning that strength totals will never reach zero. So for example, there would be a 7% reduction for ALL units on a tile with 5 units, then 7% will be taken from 93% with 6 units, etc. This does not include units in cities, so you can have 100 units in a city and there would be no penalty.

What do people think about this? The only problem I see is programming this into the AI.

Reinstating Slavery

Nuclear kid — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 02:36:26 GMT

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/87012

Quote:

First win!

DrumStudent — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 02:15:30 GMT

I just completed my first game in civ iv! The specs are in my signature, and I won it on a diplo in 1972 AD. Score: Somewhere round 5982 I think. i could have won a lot earlier, but I wanted to experience the full game.
I am not as good as you others here I know, but feel happy for the newbie will you?
Now for Chieftain. Should I stick with Rome, or someone else? What settings? Help!

No Civ3 patch page!

Quentonious — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:43:32 GMT

I've trying to update my civ3 to current specifications. However, when i tried getting to the patch page on the site, i just got a page not found message. Anywhere else i can get the patches? :confused:

2012 Election Mod

LastLegionare — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:34:43 GMT

It would consist of the two parties trying to claim the most votes in America, in a Civ 4 twist.

I don't know for sure, but I bet there isn't one like it. I would make it right now if I wasn't so useless in modding. So, would anyone play this scenario?

SMAC crash

miramira — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:30:51 GMT

Hi, I've only been playing SMAC for the last 3 days, i've got to 2329AD with the Sparta, I'm using a massive map, i've got a massive army, I'm about to start global war, i've got 25+ bases, then at the end of the turn, there is a random crash!
I've tried a few times and the same problem keeps happening!

"teran exe. has stopped working"
doesn't give any more info on the problem!

any suggestions on what the problem is? I spent a long time getting a huge contient for my Sparta, and I'd hate to restart the game.
If anyone could help it would be good to nip this problem in the bud now.

will the patch from the fraxis website deal with this? i'm downloading it now...

that download didn't help! its for xp and I'm using Vista!

I tell you what, I will play the game again with similar settings, and do a controlled test, and let you know the results.

Revolution concept change?

LastLegionare — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 01:27:10 GMT

You don't have to like the idea. I just can't mod for my life, and I am seeing if someone else would do it. (or even agree with the idea) :sad:

Most revolutions don't completely change the civilization, but just imply I different stance. I propose a modmod were a revolution would just have rebels (Confederate America, Imperial Rome, Maratha India) against the older counterpart (Union America, Republican Rome, Mughal India) Also, if it was in a conquered land, it would rebel back to it's ownnationality (If Mongols invaded China and the old capital rebeled, China would reform.)

I'm just suggesting as I found it strange that Ethiopia was split from the original Japan.

Will you cohabitate me? Marriage vs cohabitation

SpockFederation — Tue, 09 Feb 2010 00:59:03 GMT

Since this is spawning/being birthed in another thread, I'm making a new thread.

Discuss the relative merits of marriage and cohabitation. Do you instinctively think newly weds have a closer relationship than a couple who has cohabitated, let's say, 1 year? How long does it take for cohabitation to be considered a strong relationship? Would you be interested in cohabitating before marriage? If you would rather cohabitate for a long time, what would push you to get married (i.e. if you think you don't need to get married to have a good relationship, why would you marry?)?

As for me, I'd definitely want to cohabitate for a long time before marriage. I probably wouldn't ask for marriage unless I intended to have children with that person.