Get it on...Bang a Gong Diplo thread

[Whomp]

OK another meetup! A lot of old KISS guys on this team so we know they're idiots of the right kind.

What do you think of this note?
If someone can send this via email that would be great.

Hello Gong of the Pyramid Gongs,

Fancy meeting you guys. We've decided to take our sea expedition to view this wonderful, wonderous, wonder you've built. Rumors around Babe the pyramid is made of beer. Our ladies like beer so maybe we should schedule a time for some discussion.

Looking forward to our future together.

xxoo
Babe envoy Charlize Theron

Here's a picture of me so you recognize me.

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[gmaharriet]

OK another meetup! A lot of old KISS guys on this team so we know they're idiots of the right kind.

Yeah, we've got a lot of old friends on that team. I'll find it a lot harder to be enthusiastic about wiping GONG out than with SABER.

I wonder if they can see me waving my hankie at them from the side of our boat.

 

[Kickbooti]

Yeah, we've got a lot of old friends on that team. I'll find it a lot harder to be enthusiastic about wiping GONG out than with SABER.

The sooner we wipe out Gong, the sooner they can join us. We have to burn this village in order to save it...

 

[Wotan]

Go a PM from Killercane. He wants to talk trades. I guess we are already on top of this?

 

[Tubby Rower]

I sent the message via gmail yesterday after Whomp posted this thread. I couldn't access CFC anytime after that due to some network issues on my end

 

[Robi D]

Go a PM from Killercane. He wants to talk trades. I guess we are already on top of this?

Did he give any specific techs they want to trade?

 

[Wotan]

No, just said "wanna trade"? Sort of...

 

[Whomp]

I'll find 'Cane on IM tonight. He's usually on but working all day too.

We're up contact with Saber, Wheel, IW, philo, CoL, MM and republic. They're up poly and monarchy. We may be able to structure a deal for poly and turn around and pick up a tech from Saber or Council or both.

I think we should meet Council to see what they have before we consumate any deals. It's a nice position having a big tech lead here. We could pull off some 2 or 3 fers here.

 

[Tubby Rower]

but the question is .... Do we want to??

 

[Whomp]

I think if we can "one off" techs we receive it should be considered.
IE with poly which has no real benefit. If we can turn around and trade poly for other techs to Council and Saber to accelerate our tech pace we're all good. Another thing to consider is Gong may be interested in Republic since they're religious.

 

[Wotan]

We really should consider trying to slow down the tech pace. The longer we can benefit from our UU the better. problem could be to make the others slow the tech pace too, and we do not want to fall behind either. So if we trade we trade techs we do not have monopoly on. And try to keep them separated for as long as possible, so no contacts.

 

[ThERat]

agreed with Wotan as stated elsewhere already...need to make sure tech pace is slow

 

[Whomp]

Agreed on the pace but let's not be overly cautious to believe these guys won't trade to pick up the pace.

The only techs I think we should trade are ones we pick up (or are not at monopoly) that can be traded around.

btw I received a pm from Daghdha.

We have contact
I'll have to get the MSN up and running again, haha.
Still haven't the grapic power to run C4 but keeping it in my safe for future use.
Congrats on becoming Official Banner

Hi Daghie Boy!

Pretty cool stuff that we met. Did you like the picture I sent? Killercane sent Wotan a pm and suggested we talk. I'll try to get him on IM tonight when I get home.

B

Hi Panda Ditto
I'll be rehearsing late with the band so I might be straight to bed, but we'll hook up in the near future I'm sure.

CU soon

ps Very cool pic indeed ds

 

[gmaharriet]

Golly, I dunno why you didn't send a picture of me. After all, I'm the only one on the team who qualifies (in the VERY loosest sense of the word) as a "babe"...give or take a few decades.

 

[Whomp]

I had a nice conversation with Killercane tonight.

They're looking for a long term deal and some tech deals that I'm so not sure about. Since we don't anticipate war with these guys soon I offered 20 turns of peace. Cane think we'll meet someone going west but that doesn't seem to be what Tubby's crystal ball says. They haven't met anyone and he forgot to ask who we knew.

Spoiler :

Whomp says:
Hey Case
casey j says:
whats up buddy
Whomp says:
one sec
Whomp says:
What's happening?
casey j says:
fixing a bite to eat, one sec
Whomp says:
ok
Whomp says:
brb too
casey j says:
back
casey j says:
whats going on
casey j says:
k
Whomp says:
back
Whomp says:
did you like the picture we sent you guys?

Love being lobbed around...

casey j says:
of course, always welcome
casey j says:
the BABES have an endless supply of material i surmise
Whomp says:
that's for sure
Whomp says:
good name for us whackos
casey j says:
well the GONGers were sure happy to see you
casey j says:
me- man i hope we meet BABE soon
Whomp says:
us with you too
casey j says:
JB- lets find BABES
Whomp says:
hehe
Whomp says:
that's hilarious
casey j says:
AK- i want the BABES
casey j says:
and then bam you appear
Whomp says:
is AK playing?
casey j says:
like some kinda spooky magic
Whomp says:
that's so funny
casey j says:
er bugsy i mean
Whomp says:
ok AK self banned himself
casey j says:
heh
Whomp says:
he doesn't want to go off on Dinsog
Whomp says:
didn't his team pull another wonder blunder?
casey j says:
yeah makes sense!
casey j says:
is he on the council?
Whomp says:
yep
casey j says:
i dont knwo SOZ isnt too bad, the thing is they better get Colossus soon!
Whomp says:
SoZ on this map makes me wonder
Whomp says:
they better manage their unit counts
casey j says:
yes ours would be bad in Republic, we were going to offer you monarchy for Rep, and trying to calculate when we should change
casey j says:
if you wanted to do a deal along those lines
Whomp says:
I'll check
Whomp says:
You guys could use republic i'd think
Whomp says:
and the anarchy was likely pretty minimal
casey j says:
well its an improvement of like 50 gpt, but more than half of that would be eaten up by unit cost
casey j says:
so maybe after the Golden Age
Whomp says:
are you fighting already?

casey j says:
what all techs do you guys have?

Ah that's why...
casey j says:
no Pyramids=instant golden age for Celts
Whomp says:
ahah
Whomp says:
let's see
casey j says:
we have up to monarchy, philo, lit, and are getting IW this turn I think, no math, CoL or MM.
Whomp says:
we have philo, lit, CoL, MM
Whomp says:
just got myst
casey j says:
wait i dont think we have philo
Whomp says:
missing poly
casey j says:
you have math?
Whomp says:
Nope
casey j says:
do you have any huts left to pop?
Whomp says:
one this turn
Whomp says:
hold on we may have maths...
Whomp says:
eek
Whomp says:
maths would come before poly right?
Whomp says:
with a hut
casey j says:
yeah its cheaper
Whomp says:
that's what I thought
casey j says:
we have 2 huts left
Whomp says:
settle popping is fun
Whomp says:

casey j says:
my idea was we could trade across, and pop the huts and share the wealth in tech. if we dont pop a tech to make it more even, we could give you gold
casey j says:
only if we had math though
Whomp says:
ok i'll have to find out
casey j says:
you have republic?
Whomp says:
we do
Whomp says:
we have IW
casey j says:
ah we are 2 turns from IW
casey j says:
did you get the philo free tech?
Whomp says:
we did
casey j says:
nice, you took CoL?
Whomp says:
we took MM
casey j says:
ah you probably have some more contacts then, or will soon with the Lighthosue
Whomp says:
I think so. Have you met anyone?
Whomp says:
I'll show if you show.

Map info
casey j says:
nope, we sent curraghs out in 4 directions, hopefully 2 will make it
Whomp says:
Well our galley is in your way this turn
casey j says:
there looks to be a similar safe spot west of our respective positions, we can send you directions if you like
Whomp says:
it looks like sea from the pic
casey j says:
where is your galley in respect to the 2 coast tiles?
Whomp says:
you have a curragh on coastal and there's a coastal 1SE that we landed on
casey j says:
ah ok
Whomp says:
and it's surrounded by sea tiles
casey j says:
yep theres a similar spot west that i think you can just make
casey j says:
which will probably lead to contact with someone else
Whomp says:
ok
Whomp says:
thanks
Whomp says:
you have the coastal we're on
Whomp says:
sea, ocean sea
casey j says:
ok like ours, we are north
Whomp says:
then coastal
Whomp says:
interesting map
casey j says:
yep rik did a good job with the surprises
Whomp says:
for sure

Long term plans?
casey j says:
so what do you guys want as far as long term?
Whomp says:
I think we're looking for a long term partner
casey j says:
same here
Whomp says:
We're not looking towards helping scientifics
Whomp says:
we learned that lesson last game
Whomp says:
keep their pace down
casey j says:
we figured sending monarchy on over so you could have a wonder for the golden age, rather than sumeria getting it (or at least they would have to research it)
Whomp says:
OK well that might be useful
Whomp says:
we're in anarchy now
casey j says:
ah how long?
Whomp says:
it was 7 iirc
casey j says:
from last turn?
Whomp says:
yep
casey j says:
that might work pretty all right if we traded
casey j says:
we have 2 turns left on IW (or 1 after this turn), and we could then do math in 4
Whomp says:
I think we're on it too
casey j says:
on math? going to complete in anarchy?
Whomp says:
i think so
Whomp says:
it was like two turn iirc
casey j says:
ah well that throws a wrench in the even tech trade then
Whomp says:
well let's see if i can work something with our peoples
Whomp says:
ladies I should say
casey j says:

casey j says:
see what you can come up with. we probably want to at least trade poly and monarchy straight across for CoL and Republic. It would be nice to have several shots at popping Construction and Currency
Whomp says:
so true
casey j says:
if you wanted to avoid popping poly we could send it over this turn
casey j says:
but then i guess you would get HBR or monarchy since you are still on math
casey j says:
i dont know, we ould have to work out logistics
Whomp says:
we have HBR
Whomp says:
we're finishing masonry not maths
Whomp says:
so we don't have maths yet
Whomp says:
i had to look at a picture to figure out our tech path hehe
casey j says:
ah ok
casey j says:
were you shooting for the pyramids or just straight to the Lighthouse
Whomp says:
lighthouse
Whomp says:
We kind of felt this was an arch pretty early
casey j says:
I dont remember when we first thought that
casey j says:
we didnt send out a curragh for a long while
Whomp says:
when we kept walking into coast and didn't meet anyone we kinda knew
casey j says:

Whomp says:
it will be quite a bit different than last game
Whomp says:
though trading luxs and resources is going to be a problem

Peace offer....I didn't see any downside with extending peace terms for 20.
casey j says:
so do you want to sign a peace deal while we talk to our teams?
casey j says:
indeed, very different
Whomp says:
I think we can do that
casey j says:
how long?
Whomp says:
I'd say let's do 20 turns and hammer out a planWhomp says:
I know we'd prefer not to accelerate the scientifics
casey j says:
alright, im sure we will be fine with that.
casey j says:
i thought you guys might trade one of them up for the free tech

Good point...
Whomp says:
well we'll see but i'm not sure either or our UU's benefit from a fast pace
casey j says:
yeah, i would hate to creat a scientific bloc against us though
Whomp says:
that's true
casey j says:
we have furs and silks btw, not that it helps anyone much!
Whomp says:
we saw that play out last game
Whomp says:
i'm trying to think what our two luxs are
Whomp says:
incense
Whomp says:
dyes
casey j says:
ah
casey j says:
well if we did math next, and we swapped:

He wants to deal...

casey j says:
US- give math, poly, monarchy
casey j says:
you- give CoL, MM, Republic, philo and HBR
casey j says:
we benefit by something like 400-500 beakers
casey j says:
but we have 3 huts between us to pop, if we dont get tech to share, we can make it up with goldWhomp says:
you have wheel?
casey j says:
so we can at least buy what we dont have
casey j says:
hmm let me check
casey j says:
why no, we dont
casey j says:
its only a 1 turn tech though
Whomp says:
ok
casey j says:
currency would be a 4 turner i guess, with any luck we could be Medieval by turn 100


Whomp says:
did you get iron and horses on the island?
casey j says:
getting iron after this turn, dont have the wheel
Whomp says:
ah right
casey j says:
no iron/horses?
casey j says:
or on the islands off our shore
Whomp says:
horses are there so I'm thinking he gave you iron
casey j says:
hmm interesting
Whomp says:
my guess is he made these things unbalanced
casey j says:
what does a hwacha need
casey j says:
iron and saltpeter?
Whomp says:
i think so
Whomp says:
cannon
casey j says:
brb
Whomp says:
salt only

Inquiry into their turnplayer
Whomp says:
PrinceMyshkin is like brand new to CFC
Whomp says:
He must know what the heck he's doing
casey j says:
yeah he is pretty good actually, has a good grasp on new things
Whomp says:
i'm sure it's all layed out too
casey j says:
he showed up in the HOF forums a while back so I knew he was pretty decent.
Whomp says:
gotcha

More BS...about stuff and things.

 

[Tubby Rower]

Cane's comments doesn't conflict with my own.....

if we go (north-)west along that coastal bit and then (south-)west along that other coastal bit, we should come into contact with 2 more teams' home continents. So yes if we go due west then we should meet someone indicating that to the NW is GONG.

 

[Tubby Rower]

it sounded like they had some more huts to pop. I wonder if they are talking about their resource isle or if they are talking about on their continent.

I also found it odd to be in GA this early in the game without population needed to make it pay off. They must be planning for an early war as well.

 

[Wotan]

it sounded like they had some more huts to pop. I wonder if they are talking about their resource isle or if they are talking about on their continent.

I also found it odd to be in GA this early in the game without population needed to make it pay off. They must be planning for an early war as well.

How many huts did we encounter on the starting island? 3? And we have popped another hut on the first resource island. Have they saved 2 huts on their starting island?

Their UU suggest an early war but the layout of the map should tell them it could be costly in Galleys. Both crossings need two risky passages so on average they will see one Galley lost for every two units making it across... Seafaring would have been a great trait to have on this map.

 

[Tubby Rower]

Byzantines would have been the most awesome-est

 

[Robi D]

True but then no one chose seafaring and we built the GLH so sea crossings are other peoples problem and not ours