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That is definately not true. Germany is - to an extent that could already be called neurotic - aware of it's crimes.

They are going to get sued by the heirs of von Papen.

Polish curry is called bigos.;) mmmhh... bigos...

If the HRE is a predecessor to germany, then the germanic tribes are predecessors to Germany. Then the Franks are inclueded. Then Charlemagne is German. Then all is fine.

I guess a good idea would be the flag of the Portugese monarchy: http://www.fotw.us/flags/pt-1640.html

Incredibly moronic... and I'm not talking about the HRE...

Wow, you really have come to do battle...

Italy means the Duchy of Milano, the Kingdom of the two Sicilies and Piombino, which all belonged to the Spanish line of the house of Habsburg at the time.

Absolutely agreed. So would Poland. Unfortunately, they only decided to add 10 civs. Why not twenty?

It works for me... at the moment at least.

You're right. Here is it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Wappen_Kaisertum_%C3%96sterreich_1867_%28Mittel%29.png In the upper right hand corner, or, more like it, the upper right wing of the double headed eagle. Ah well, I stick to eagles, lived in Moravia for some time (in Brno)...

I usually have the Arabs beat the Egyptians. Or the Byzantines beat the Egyptians. Or. the Romans. Or... Is Egypt equal to modern day Egypt? Or to Ptolemaic Egypt? Is Mubarak the heir of Ramses or Cleopatra? If Saladin is the heir of Cleopatra, we'd have two civs for Egypt... Fact is...

You have a great history educational backgroud, but obviously not maths...

I have a petition to you: the HRE is in... GET OVER IT.

Really? Its full name was 'the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation and I don't believe that Germany is the only nation in the world to deserve two civs, while its neighbor has none'? I could believe so, judging by the arguments I read...;)

You surely meant that one should add the 6 million Poles that were killed by the Germans during WWII to the Polish pre-war population, add to it the average population growth between 1939 - 2007 and we'd have the same voting rights for Poland as for Germany in the EU. That's the polished...

That is the point. Was Justinian an ethnic Byzantine?

I'm part Polish, my wife is Polish and actually I don't care about any country being in a GAME or not. However, what you write slowly kills my symapthy for the Polish cause. It is plain nationalistic, more so, it is derogatory for Germans or Holy Romans... Put it this way: A look at...

Actually, I like the HRE. But I'd have preferred Poland almost everything... But Poland's time is going to come...

That is hilarious... I'll have an HRE on the rocks...