Toxicman007
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Hooray! An update! Looking forward to the Dutch explorers' exciting adventures.
The Conquests
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Verarde
Pondering Wearing A Hat
Interesting...I shall watch this with great pleasure!
CELTICEMPIRE
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Cool, will you become a Catholic or Protestant nation?
Not sure yet. I start out as a Catholic Monarchy. The Protestant Monarchy gets way lower corruption and faster workers, but less unit support. It gets complicated by the fact that I have to spend time in Anarchy when there's only 150 turns in the game. Ironically, that means that switching to Protestantism is easiest for... Avidly Catholic Spain and Portugal, both of whom have the Religious trait. 
Toxicman007
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Any chance of an update sometime soon, Chox?
Toxicman007
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Sounds good mate! I'm looking forward to when you take on the Sengoku conquest. I've had a civ3 break recently and I'm still stuck on it, unsure if I want a conquest, diplomatic or domination victory.
SouthernKing
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Dutchmen...I am intrigued.
Other than Sengoku and WWII, this was my favorite Conquest, interested to see how this goes.
Other than Sengoku and WWII, this was my favorite Conquest, interested to see how this goes.
Chapter 42: The Explorer's Guide to the New World
In order to get to the Atlantic Ocean, the Dutch Caravels had to pass through the English Channel. When they did so in the summer of 1490, it was widely predicted that Elizabeth, Queen of England, would be a bit annoyed by this. This prediction was completely correct, and a few months later, she complained about it.
"William, your Caravels are occupying British Sea Tiles, and we don't like that. We think the fish don't like them either. Please leave next turn, okay?"
William wasn't quite sure what the hell she was talking about, but agreed, since he was planning to move the Caravels anyway. Or at least, he was going to try to, but it seemed England and France had similar exploration ideas to him, and now their Caravels were kind of in the way of his.
But, oh well, the Sintmaria and the Orange could just go around them. In 1491, deciding that splitting up would let them explore a larger area, Orange went South and Sintmaria went North. It at first appeared that Orange had discovered a new slightly more southern Sea Route, but Sintmaria found that just connected to the Northern one. They also remembered what England said about the Fish, and decided to give the English Caravel HMS King Richard a few fish if they really had been making the fish disappear. The English didn't seem to care about any of this much, but responded with the short sentence "So Long, and Thanks For All The Fish," which they found funny, for some reason.
A bit behind them were the Amsterdam and the Holland. Amsterdam continued following Sintmaria, ending up a bit off the Irish Coast, but Holland decided to go Southwest and see what more it could find, if there was a more Southern Sea Route than this. They both saw a lot, like the Irish Archers not liking their island being occupied by England, or the other French Caravels.
Winter rolled around, and the English Caravels continued heading West like the Dutch ones were, but the French Caravels went North and South, perhaps assuming that they could sail through something really far to the North and South, and the Irish inexplicably held off on attacking Dublin. These people are strange, that much is certain.
The Dutch were, however, in complete agreement with the English Caravels that heading west was a good idea, so in 1492, the Amsterdam, the Orange, and the Sintmaria followed it, and ended the year somewhat surrounding HMS King Richard. The Holland, meanwhile, kept heading South, and now occupied a position somewhat off the coast of the Portuguese city of Oporto.
A few months later, the English passed them again, and the French decided now would be a good time to start heading West again.
Holland continued South and the other Caravels continued West in 1493, and finally, in August, Sintmaria found land. It wasn't entirely a new discovery, as the HMS King Richard had already found it on October 12, 1492, and named it "Nova Scotia." However, there was some land immediately behind Nova Scotia, which appeared to be an island, the Dutch could name.
As Sintmaria could still move a bit more in 1493, they went West a bit, and found the mainland of what they called the "New World." Well, and Nova Scotia was somewhat connected to the mainland, but minor details like that aren't important, right?
The Amsterdam followed west a bit behind it, and a more comprehensive map was drawn of the area. It was thickly forested, much more so than Europe, with lots of Hills and Fish.
It didn't take long for news of this discovery to return to Europe and spread throughout it. Spain, who had sent some of their own Caravels West upon finding that its Northern Neighbors had been doing the same, was especially interested, as their Caravels hadn't found the New World yet. Isabella went to the Netherlands and asked if they could trade maps to save them both on exploration time.
William accepted this deal and came to the obvious conclusion that the reason the Spanish hadn't found the New World was that they had inexplicably taken a route through the part of the Ocean that didn't give them favorable trade winds, making their Caravels move twice as slowly. The Spanish Map indicated they were a bit to the South of Nova Scotia right now, and it would still take them a bit longer to get to the New World, depending on where exactly the coastline was further South- but judging from the map, it was close.
Of course, they were still acting unintelligently, so William asked his scientists to determine the exact probability that one of his European neighbors wouldn't be dumb. They determined the probability to be so low they couldn't calculate it, and simply referred to the probability as "Infinitely Improbable."
Meanwhile, The English got a unit of Medieval Infantry and some Settlers to walk off of King Richard onto the New World Mainland.
The HNMS Holland continued its Southward journey in 1494, ending the year between the Portuguese Azores and Madeira, but the other 3 Caravels couldn't exactly keep going West without running into the shore. They did, however, have to head to the shore first so their occupants could disembark. The Amsterdam headed Northwest around Nova Scotia, and found themselves in a large gulf between Nova Scotia and a landmass just to the North, fed by a rather wide River. They named the river and the Gulf "St. Lawrence" and the Explorers went onto the mainland while they were trying to name some of the land parts.
The explorers noticed that a Forest in the area connecting Nova Scotia to the Mainland seemed like a good place for a city, so the Settlers and Pikemen went there, as did the Workers from Sintmaria. Speaking of which, Sintmaria and Orange both went Southwest, and found some mysterious borders just out of their view.
Despite the fact that the English Settlers' current location was a perfectly good place for a city, they inexplicably decided to go farther inland in November, 1494. The French seemed happy to send their own Settlers and Longbowmen to the area the English had vacated.
The Orange continued exploring South down the coastline of the New World in 1495, and ran into the borders they'd spotted earlier, then headed South to explore the entire length of them. This new country was inhabited by a somewhat civilized people that called themselves the Iroquois, led by a man named Hiawatha. Clearly inferior to any Europeans, of course, because Europe was awesome, especially the Netherlands. The Iroquois had two cities and some gold, but they weren't terribly technologically advanced, having little more than some basic spears and bows, agricultural and pottery techniques, and primitive religious ideas. They also, curiously, knew how to ride Horses, despite the fact that there didn't seem to be any anywhere in their borders, or, indeed, anywhere near them.
One bit of knowledge they did have, though, was knowledge of the surrounding territory, and they were happy to trade it and all of their gold to the Dutch in return for contact with the French. William found this trade somewhat funny, as the French would probably find them sooner or later anyway, but he's not complaining.
It revealed a nice bit of the remainder of their territory, and 5 huge lakes that the Iroquois referred to as the "Great Lakes." Two of them, which they had named Erie and Ontario, were right by the Iroquois capital of Salamanca, while the other three, Huron, Michigan, and Superior, were a bit to the West.
This map was then combined with the earlier Spanish Map, and the continued explorations of Sintmaria into the Atlantic, Amsterdam around the region they creatively called "Newfoundland", and the Explorers West to a body of water north of the Great Lakes they had just discovered, to create this map:
The Explorers, utilizing their ability to see things they could use as roads where there weren't actual roads had discovered Iron deposits and very valuable Furs that they hoped to be able to eventually ship back to Europe. They almost seemed disappointed that they hadn't found anything they'd heard in legends and myths yet. No Dragons, no people with eyes on their chest, no giant sea monsters, nothing. They did at least like that the New World looked pretty, but they still wanted some giant sea monsters, damn it.
The Pikemen and Settlers were equally disappointed to find that the site they wanted to build their city on was too thickly forested to make that possible (apparently, you can't build cities on Forests or Jungles... that would have been nice to know earlier), so they moved Southeast onto a nearby hill that would make a slightly-less-good, but still decent location.
The English continued heading inland the following winter, and the French, deciding the English must know something important, followed them. The Dutch figured they might be heading for the St Lawrence River or the Furs, but how could the English and French possibly know of their existence?
Work on the city in Nova Scotia was completed in 1496. The Settlers named their city "New Amsterdam," clearly not feeling creative enough to come up with a better name after they'd spent the past several months building the city.
Meanwhile, everyone kept exploring stuff. The Amsterdam found the Southern tip of an island that they later learned was an island that Scandinavians had discovered long ago and named "Greenland," which seemed a curious name given the large amount of ice on it, Holland passed the Canary Islands and Cape Verde, Sintmaria located more New-Worlders, the Seminoles and the Cherokee, who were decidedly less civilized than the Iroquois, and the Orange located... more land to the East of the mainland of the New World. It's probably just an island... or is it?
The Explorer Party explored the Northern Edge of Lake Superior, still not finding Sea Monsters. Disappointed, and not knowing of the Barbarians to the South, the Explorers snarkily referred to the New World as "The Harmless Continent," later to be amended to "The Mostly Harmless Continent" when they found that it was, in fact, slightly dangerous.
The English and French continued their inward march, giving the Dutch a temporary advantage of 1 New World City to 0 when compared to every other nation in Europe.
The Explorers headed Southwest in 1497, encountering a great dry region of grassland, and some more barbaric New Worlders, the Sioux (This was about the time they started calling it "Mostly Harmless"). Amsterdam kept heading North, and located the Northern Edge of the World, or rather, a region too icy for them to pass through. Whether there's anything to the North of it or not has yet to be determined. Sintmaria and Orange continued heading South, finding that the landmass the Orange had discovered was, in fact, an island, and part of a large archipelago. They named it "The Caribbean" after some local barbarians on the island known as Cuba who called themselves the Carib. Holland headed Southwest, and found what might be the Eastern part of the same archipelago- or at least, an isolated island with delicious Spices on it.
The English finally built a city a few months later, near the Furs the Explorers had discovered and the Saint Lawrence River, and called the city Jamestown. The Dutch still are trying to figure out how the English knew there were Furs there.
The Explorations of 1498 started out fairly big, and kept getting bigger. The Explorers, not wanting to get killed by the Sioux, headed Southeast around the Great Lakes, and encountered some Iroquois Warriors mounted on Horses. Where they got the Horses, you ask? The Explorers certainly don't know.
Orange, Holland, and Sintmaria proceeded to explore the Caribbean, confirming that it was, in fact, all the same archipelago, and the Orange, heading east, located some light-green borders. It was nice to find some people who weren't barbarians. They went to talk to them. They called themselves the Maya, led by Smoke-Jaguar. They were only slightly more advanced than the Iroquois, although they seemed more powerful and bigger. They didn't know how to ride Horses, but they did have some elaborate religious rituals involving sacrifice. They couldn't be traded any contacts, since it seemed the Spanish had already found the Mayans and introduced them to everybody in Europe. But the Dutch could teach the Mayans an Alphabet in return for their map and some gold, and they did exactly that.
The Mayan Map wasn't particularly impressive, but the Dutch were impressed to learn of another nation wearing slightly darker Green to the West. Maybe they knew interesting things...
Holland and Sintmaria explored the Eastern Caribbean, and found another landmass, inhabited by more barbarians, the Aruac, living at the mouth of a rather large river. This couldn't just be another island, could it? It must be bigger...
The explorers kept going East and checking out the region around the Great Lakes to the west of the Iroquois in 1499, and were surprised to run into some Spanish Settlers at the start of a long river they'd named the Ohio River.
The Amsterdam continued heading West and slightly North, not finding any way around the ice, but they did find that the large body of water north of the Great Lakes was, in fact, a giant bay, which they now named the Hudson Bay and started exploring it.
Orange decided to check out the Green people the Mayans had pointed them to. They called themselves the Aztecs, and followed Emperor Montezuma. They were at about the Mayans' technological level, including the sacrificial rituals, although they, somewhat hilariously, didn't yet know of the Mayans' existence. The Dutch, pitying them, decided to introduce the two and teach the Aztecs an Alphabet in return for large gold payments and a map.
The map revealed quite a bit- it seemed that although the Aztecs had never ventured to the South, they had gone to the North a lot. Among other things, it revealed that the landmass the Aztecs and Mayans occupied was the same as the one the Iroquois and most of the random barbarians occupied.
Around this time, people got tired of not having a name for the New World, and decided to come with one. They ended up naming it "America" after an Italian explorer. They divided it into two continents- North America, the most explored one that the Aztecs, Mayans, and Iroquois were on, and South America, which the Sintmaria and the Holland had just discovered. Of course, just after that, those two ships explored a bit to the West and East and found that North and South America were the same landmass, though they admittedly were connected by the very thin Isthmus of Panama. But by that point, people didn't feel like referring to it as one landmass, and stuck with two.
Also around this time, Dutch Diplomats got tired of not having embassies with the capitals of the ones they now referred to as the "Native Americans" or the "Mesoamericans" depending on where they were, so they established three in Salamanca, the Iroquois capital, which was inexplicably building Settlers despite not having the population to do so...
...Chichen Itza, the Mayan capital, which was also building Settlers, and was both big enough to do so and markedly more developed than Salamanca...
...And Tenochtitlan, the Aztec Capital, which was building, you guessed it, Settlers. It wasn't yet big enough to really do so, but it would grow big enough well before the Settlers were finished.
The Spanish Settlers headed Northwest in October of 1499. A bit later, the Dutch wondered why they'd seen almost everyone's Settlers in the New World- but not Portugal's. A bit after that, they got their answer when the Portuguese built the city of Rio De Janeiro in West Africa. Apparently that was where their Settlers had been all this time.
After almost all of the years of the 1490's had seen the Dutch discover a lot, 1500 saw them discovering not much, really. Amsterdam kept exploring the Hudson Bay, The Orange headed North and then East to map out the rest of the North American coastline, specifically in a Gulf the Aztecs had called the "Gulf of Mexico," Sintmaria located Panama and established the connection between North and South America, which Holland continued going Southeast to go around, and the Explorers followed the Ohio River to the much larger Mississippi and Missouri Rivers and explored around them.
Confident that they knew all of the important things in the New World (totally wrong, but that's what they thought), the Dutch Mapmakers decided to build a giant map of everything. They were aided a bit by a map trade the English and Dutch had agreed into in December, 1500...
...and then aided further by the continued explorations of the Explorers and Caravels in 1501, which finished mapping out the Gulf of Mexico Coast, the Hudson Bay, the Northern Coast of South America, most of the Great Plains, and a few other random Regions that were just helpful to their map. They completed their map, and divided it into three for their giant atlas they published in September, 1501:
So, the Dutch have explored most of the New World, then.
Now what?
In order to get to the Atlantic Ocean, the Dutch Caravels had to pass through the English Channel. When they did so in the summer of 1490, it was widely predicted that Elizabeth, Queen of England, would be a bit annoyed by this. This prediction was completely correct, and a few months later, she complained about it.
"William, your Caravels are occupying British Sea Tiles, and we don't like that. We think the fish don't like them either. Please leave next turn, okay?"
William wasn't quite sure what the hell she was talking about, but agreed, since he was planning to move the Caravels anyway. Or at least, he was going to try to, but it seemed England and France had similar exploration ideas to him, and now their Caravels were kind of in the way of his.
But, oh well, the Sintmaria and the Orange could just go around them. In 1491, deciding that splitting up would let them explore a larger area, Orange went South and Sintmaria went North. It at first appeared that Orange had discovered a new slightly more southern Sea Route, but Sintmaria found that just connected to the Northern one. They also remembered what England said about the Fish, and decided to give the English Caravel HMS King Richard a few fish if they really had been making the fish disappear. The English didn't seem to care about any of this much, but responded with the short sentence "So Long, and Thanks For All The Fish," which they found funny, for some reason.
A bit behind them were the Amsterdam and the Holland. Amsterdam continued following Sintmaria, ending up a bit off the Irish Coast, but Holland decided to go Southwest and see what more it could find, if there was a more Southern Sea Route than this. They both saw a lot, like the Irish Archers not liking their island being occupied by England, or the other French Caravels.
Winter rolled around, and the English Caravels continued heading West like the Dutch ones were, but the French Caravels went North and South, perhaps assuming that they could sail through something really far to the North and South, and the Irish inexplicably held off on attacking Dublin. These people are strange, that much is certain.
The Dutch were, however, in complete agreement with the English Caravels that heading west was a good idea, so in 1492, the Amsterdam, the Orange, and the Sintmaria followed it, and ended the year somewhat surrounding HMS King Richard. The Holland, meanwhile, kept heading South, and now occupied a position somewhat off the coast of the Portuguese city of Oporto.
A few months later, the English passed them again, and the French decided now would be a good time to start heading West again.
Holland continued South and the other Caravels continued West in 1493, and finally, in August, Sintmaria found land. It wasn't entirely a new discovery, as the HMS King Richard had already found it on October 12, 1492, and named it "Nova Scotia." However, there was some land immediately behind Nova Scotia, which appeared to be an island, the Dutch could name.
As Sintmaria could still move a bit more in 1493, they went West a bit, and found the mainland of what they called the "New World." Well, and Nova Scotia was somewhat connected to the mainland, but minor details like that aren't important, right?
The Amsterdam followed west a bit behind it, and a more comprehensive map was drawn of the area. It was thickly forested, much more so than Europe, with lots of Hills and Fish.
It didn't take long for news of this discovery to return to Europe and spread throughout it. Spain, who had sent some of their own Caravels West upon finding that its Northern Neighbors had been doing the same, was especially interested, as their Caravels hadn't found the New World yet. Isabella went to the Netherlands and asked if they could trade maps to save them both on exploration time.
William accepted this deal and came to the obvious conclusion that the reason the Spanish hadn't found the New World was that they had inexplicably taken a route through the part of the Ocean that didn't give them favorable trade winds, making their Caravels move twice as slowly. The Spanish Map indicated they were a bit to the South of Nova Scotia right now, and it would still take them a bit longer to get to the New World, depending on where exactly the coastline was further South- but judging from the map, it was close.
Of course, they were still acting unintelligently, so William asked his scientists to determine the exact probability that one of his European neighbors wouldn't be dumb. They determined the probability to be so low they couldn't calculate it, and simply referred to the probability as "Infinitely Improbable."
Meanwhile, The English got a unit of Medieval Infantry and some Settlers to walk off of King Richard onto the New World Mainland.
The HNMS Holland continued its Southward journey in 1494, ending the year between the Portuguese Azores and Madeira, but the other 3 Caravels couldn't exactly keep going West without running into the shore. They did, however, have to head to the shore first so their occupants could disembark. The Amsterdam headed Northwest around Nova Scotia, and found themselves in a large gulf between Nova Scotia and a landmass just to the North, fed by a rather wide River. They named the river and the Gulf "St. Lawrence" and the Explorers went onto the mainland while they were trying to name some of the land parts.
The explorers noticed that a Forest in the area connecting Nova Scotia to the Mainland seemed like a good place for a city, so the Settlers and Pikemen went there, as did the Workers from Sintmaria. Speaking of which, Sintmaria and Orange both went Southwest, and found some mysterious borders just out of their view.
Despite the fact that the English Settlers' current location was a perfectly good place for a city, they inexplicably decided to go farther inland in November, 1494. The French seemed happy to send their own Settlers and Longbowmen to the area the English had vacated.
The Orange continued exploring South down the coastline of the New World in 1495, and ran into the borders they'd spotted earlier, then headed South to explore the entire length of them. This new country was inhabited by a somewhat civilized people that called themselves the Iroquois, led by a man named Hiawatha. Clearly inferior to any Europeans, of course, because Europe was awesome, especially the Netherlands. The Iroquois had two cities and some gold, but they weren't terribly technologically advanced, having little more than some basic spears and bows, agricultural and pottery techniques, and primitive religious ideas. They also, curiously, knew how to ride Horses, despite the fact that there didn't seem to be any anywhere in their borders, or, indeed, anywhere near them.
One bit of knowledge they did have, though, was knowledge of the surrounding territory, and they were happy to trade it and all of their gold to the Dutch in return for contact with the French. William found this trade somewhat funny, as the French would probably find them sooner or later anyway, but he's not complaining.
It revealed a nice bit of the remainder of their territory, and 5 huge lakes that the Iroquois referred to as the "Great Lakes." Two of them, which they had named Erie and Ontario, were right by the Iroquois capital of Salamanca, while the other three, Huron, Michigan, and Superior, were a bit to the West.
This map was then combined with the earlier Spanish Map, and the continued explorations of Sintmaria into the Atlantic, Amsterdam around the region they creatively called "Newfoundland", and the Explorers West to a body of water north of the Great Lakes they had just discovered, to create this map:
The Explorers, utilizing their ability to see things they could use as roads where there weren't actual roads had discovered Iron deposits and very valuable Furs that they hoped to be able to eventually ship back to Europe. They almost seemed disappointed that they hadn't found anything they'd heard in legends and myths yet. No Dragons, no people with eyes on their chest, no giant sea monsters, nothing. They did at least like that the New World looked pretty, but they still wanted some giant sea monsters, damn it.
The Pikemen and Settlers were equally disappointed to find that the site they wanted to build their city on was too thickly forested to make that possible (apparently, you can't build cities on Forests or Jungles... that would have been nice to know earlier), so they moved Southeast onto a nearby hill that would make a slightly-less-good, but still decent location.
The English continued heading inland the following winter, and the French, deciding the English must know something important, followed them. The Dutch figured they might be heading for the St Lawrence River or the Furs, but how could the English and French possibly know of their existence?
Work on the city in Nova Scotia was completed in 1496. The Settlers named their city "New Amsterdam," clearly not feeling creative enough to come up with a better name after they'd spent the past several months building the city.
Meanwhile, everyone kept exploring stuff. The Amsterdam found the Southern tip of an island that they later learned was an island that Scandinavians had discovered long ago and named "Greenland," which seemed a curious name given the large amount of ice on it, Holland passed the Canary Islands and Cape Verde, Sintmaria located more New-Worlders, the Seminoles and the Cherokee, who were decidedly less civilized than the Iroquois, and the Orange located... more land to the East of the mainland of the New World. It's probably just an island... or is it?
The Explorer Party explored the Northern Edge of Lake Superior, still not finding Sea Monsters. Disappointed, and not knowing of the Barbarians to the South, the Explorers snarkily referred to the New World as "The Harmless Continent," later to be amended to "The Mostly Harmless Continent" when they found that it was, in fact, slightly dangerous.
The English and French continued their inward march, giving the Dutch a temporary advantage of 1 New World City to 0 when compared to every other nation in Europe.
The Explorers headed Southwest in 1497, encountering a great dry region of grassland, and some more barbaric New Worlders, the Sioux (This was about the time they started calling it "Mostly Harmless"). Amsterdam kept heading North, and located the Northern Edge of the World, or rather, a region too icy for them to pass through. Whether there's anything to the North of it or not has yet to be determined. Sintmaria and Orange continued heading South, finding that the landmass the Orange had discovered was, in fact, an island, and part of a large archipelago. They named it "The Caribbean" after some local barbarians on the island known as Cuba who called themselves the Carib. Holland headed Southwest, and found what might be the Eastern part of the same archipelago- or at least, an isolated island with delicious Spices on it.
The English finally built a city a few months later, near the Furs the Explorers had discovered and the Saint Lawrence River, and called the city Jamestown. The Dutch still are trying to figure out how the English knew there were Furs there.
The Explorations of 1498 started out fairly big, and kept getting bigger. The Explorers, not wanting to get killed by the Sioux, headed Southeast around the Great Lakes, and encountered some Iroquois Warriors mounted on Horses. Where they got the Horses, you ask? The Explorers certainly don't know.
Orange, Holland, and Sintmaria proceeded to explore the Caribbean, confirming that it was, in fact, all the same archipelago, and the Orange, heading east, located some light-green borders. It was nice to find some people who weren't barbarians. They went to talk to them. They called themselves the Maya, led by Smoke-Jaguar. They were only slightly more advanced than the Iroquois, although they seemed more powerful and bigger. They didn't know how to ride Horses, but they did have some elaborate religious rituals involving sacrifice. They couldn't be traded any contacts, since it seemed the Spanish had already found the Mayans and introduced them to everybody in Europe. But the Dutch could teach the Mayans an Alphabet in return for their map and some gold, and they did exactly that.
The Mayan Map wasn't particularly impressive, but the Dutch were impressed to learn of another nation wearing slightly darker Green to the West. Maybe they knew interesting things...
Holland and Sintmaria explored the Eastern Caribbean, and found another landmass, inhabited by more barbarians, the Aruac, living at the mouth of a rather large river. This couldn't just be another island, could it? It must be bigger...
The explorers kept going East and checking out the region around the Great Lakes to the west of the Iroquois in 1499, and were surprised to run into some Spanish Settlers at the start of a long river they'd named the Ohio River.
The Amsterdam continued heading West and slightly North, not finding any way around the ice, but they did find that the large body of water north of the Great Lakes was, in fact, a giant bay, which they now named the Hudson Bay and started exploring it.
Orange decided to check out the Green people the Mayans had pointed them to. They called themselves the Aztecs, and followed Emperor Montezuma. They were at about the Mayans' technological level, including the sacrificial rituals, although they, somewhat hilariously, didn't yet know of the Mayans' existence. The Dutch, pitying them, decided to introduce the two and teach the Aztecs an Alphabet in return for large gold payments and a map.
The map revealed quite a bit- it seemed that although the Aztecs had never ventured to the South, they had gone to the North a lot. Among other things, it revealed that the landmass the Aztecs and Mayans occupied was the same as the one the Iroquois and most of the random barbarians occupied.
Around this time, people got tired of not having a name for the New World, and decided to come with one. They ended up naming it "America" after an Italian explorer. They divided it into two continents- North America, the most explored one that the Aztecs, Mayans, and Iroquois were on, and South America, which the Sintmaria and the Holland had just discovered. Of course, just after that, those two ships explored a bit to the West and East and found that North and South America were the same landmass, though they admittedly were connected by the very thin Isthmus of Panama. But by that point, people didn't feel like referring to it as one landmass, and stuck with two.
Also around this time, Dutch Diplomats got tired of not having embassies with the capitals of the ones they now referred to as the "Native Americans" or the "Mesoamericans" depending on where they were, so they established three in Salamanca, the Iroquois capital, which was inexplicably building Settlers despite not having the population to do so...
...Chichen Itza, the Mayan capital, which was also building Settlers, and was both big enough to do so and markedly more developed than Salamanca...
...And Tenochtitlan, the Aztec Capital, which was building, you guessed it, Settlers. It wasn't yet big enough to really do so, but it would grow big enough well before the Settlers were finished.
The Spanish Settlers headed Northwest in October of 1499. A bit later, the Dutch wondered why they'd seen almost everyone's Settlers in the New World- but not Portugal's. A bit after that, they got their answer when the Portuguese built the city of Rio De Janeiro in West Africa. Apparently that was where their Settlers had been all this time.
After almost all of the years of the 1490's had seen the Dutch discover a lot, 1500 saw them discovering not much, really. Amsterdam kept exploring the Hudson Bay, The Orange headed North and then East to map out the rest of the North American coastline, specifically in a Gulf the Aztecs had called the "Gulf of Mexico," Sintmaria located Panama and established the connection between North and South America, which Holland continued going Southeast to go around, and the Explorers followed the Ohio River to the much larger Mississippi and Missouri Rivers and explored around them.
Confident that they knew all of the important things in the New World (totally wrong, but that's what they thought), the Dutch Mapmakers decided to build a giant map of everything. They were aided a bit by a map trade the English and Dutch had agreed into in December, 1500...
...and then aided further by the continued explorations of the Explorers and Caravels in 1501, which finished mapping out the Gulf of Mexico Coast, the Hudson Bay, the Northern Coast of South America, most of the Great Plains, and a few other random Regions that were just helpful to their map. They completed their map, and divided it into three for their giant atlas they published in September, 1501:
So, the Dutch have explored most of the New World, then.
Now what?
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Toxicman007
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Huzzah! An update type update!
I recommend mass settling of the New World. Also, don't forget about the tech stealing so you can sacrifice workers
I recommend mass settling of the New World. Also, don't forget about the tech stealing so you can sacrifice workers
Pieman
Prince
When's the best time to steamroll the Iroquois?
Toxicman007
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In my experience, the earlier the better. In my most recent game I killed off the Portuguese first, though.
MTB4884
Emperor
Glad to see a nice large new update. I'm rather curious about all the Douglas Adams references, but I guess I'll just have to keep reading the further adventures of the Dutch in the New World.
Chapter 43: The War of the Fake Map
The French had noticed a long time ago that they were one of the strongest military forces in Western Europe, especially when compared with their much smaller Dutch neighbors to the North. They liked this a lot, and they began searching for ways they could take advantage of it.
They thought of a way in November, 1501. King Francis sent an envoy to Amsterdam, and he had a request of the Dutch. Well, more of a demand.
"Hello," said William, "What is it that the French want-"
"The honor of France requires that we ask you to give us a small donation of a Territory Map and 48 gold."
William and his advisors thought about this for a few minutes. Most agreed that it was a small demand, but didn't want to cave to it anyway. Finally, one of them came up with an idea, and after he explained it to everyone, they all decided they liked it, and William especially liked it.
He returned to the envoy after the meeting was over. "We have a better idea," he said. "Here's a map to a place where you can find all that gold you want, maybe more. I think we can agree this is fair."
The envoy agreed, and took the map. It took a strange and indirect route, but eventually led him to an area that appeared to be mostly used to dump random garbage into. The map directed him to an area deep in the garbage pile to look for it... but all he ended up finding was a short, insulting message laughing at his gullibility. William found this to be hilarious.
Francis evidently didn't, though, and a declaration of war from France arrived in the Dutch palace soon after.
The war quickly became known as the "War of the Fake Map" after its unusual method of starting, and both sides began mobilizing their forces for it in 1502. They both pulled their workers away from the border, and the Netherlands, having a military of mostly Pikemen, shifted their Pikemen into locations where they'd best be useful for defense, trying to defend the cities as well as possible and making sure the Dutch's sole source of Iron on the French Border was protected.
Meanwhile, the Caravels and Explorers, thousands of miles away, continued their explorations, likely not yet aware that France and the Netherlands were even at war with the long time it took for messages to reach them. RNMS Amsterdam decided to head East, towards Greenland, to explore the rest of that island and the Northern Ice Sheet that blocked them from going further North, Orange and Sintmaria headed East into the Atlantic to see what they could find, and Holland continued following the coast of South America, which suddenly stopped going East and started going South. The Explorers headed North and West through the Creatively named Great Plains and the even more creatively named Rocky Mountains, which were rocky, finding some Gold, finding the mysterious Horses the Iroquois must have either gotten their Horses from or planned to get their Horses from, and then some natives who called themselves the Navajo, which was decidedly less good. They only hoped the nearby Aztecs and Iroquois might kill the Navajo before the Navajo killed them.
Sadly, those hopes went unrealized. The Iroquois Mounted Warriors, despite being much stronger than the Archers, decided to just go run off somewhere else, and the Aztec Jaguar Warriors, despite being a bit stronger than the Archers, died trying to fight them anyway, thanks largely due to having to cross a river and head into a forest to fight them. The Archer climbed the mountain the Explorers were on and killed them all soon after, as the Explorers were unarmed.
In slightly worse news, a French Caravel, FS Louis, appeared in the North Sea just off the coast- not really the direction the Dutch expected an attack from, but they were far enough away that the Dutch could easily respond anyway. In strange news, the Spanish built a city near Lake Michigan. Why they went that far inland is a mystery, especially since that city is too far from either the nearby Furs or the Horses in the Great Plains to make effective use of them.
The Dutch defenders moved around a bit in 1503 to make sure that Amsterdam and Antwerp would be well-defended from that French Caravel, although even then they weren't sure. The Caravels, now certainly aware that they were at war with France, made sure to look out for any French ships, but that never really amounted to anything. Amsterdam found a French Caravel near Greenland, but the two never fought each other and continued on their way. The other three found little of importance.
The FS Louis reached Amsterdam in October... and the Dutch suddenly laughed at how worried they once were of it. It only carried one unit of Medieval Infantry on board, who were easily defeated by the Pikemen defending the city in a very brief battle.
Nonetheless, the Dutch still were a bit worried, because the French likely had more, stronger attacks headed their way, and they really needed to get some more men onto the front lines to fight. To do this, they spent a lot of money on 1504 to greatly accelerate construction on the University of Antwerp so that the city could get to building more military units. They were partially concerned because other civilizations were getting ahead in technology, and several had just researched a Printing Press that could be used to print Books much more cheaply and easily, and get more Colonists to go to the New World. This had little in the way of military application, but they would now probably start researching things that did have military applications. And, of course, they just wanted that Printing Press, and would try to trade for it when they finished figuring Magnets out.
The Caravels continued finding little of interest, although Orange found an English Caravel and a French one in the Mid-Atlantic. Again, they didn't fight the French, probably because Caravels are much better at defense than offense and whoever attacked would likely lose.
The French didn't send any Caravels to attack that Winter, but they did send a unit of Longbowmen into Dutch territory- specifically, to a wheat farm near Brussels. Luckily, they'd sent nothing else in, so the Longbowmen could easily be killed before they ever got the chance to do anything. They also built a city in Canada a bit to the North of the St. Lawrence River, which they called Quebec. They also called the region it was located in Quebec. Strangely, they'd located it quite a bit off of the water.
The Dutch counter-attacked the French Longbowmen in 1505, bombarding them with Trebuchets and then sending in their own Longbowmen to kill them. The Dutch couldn't figure out why, but this failed very miserably, and it was their longbowmen that died rather than the French Longbowmen, which was what they had expected. They finished the job with some Medieval Infantry, and cursed the luck gods for making their longbowmen lose.
The Caravels continued exploring, and by the Fall of 1506, Amsterdam had rounded Greenland, Orange had mapped out all of the Mid-Atlantic (there was nothing there), Sintmaria had begun exploring the coastline of Africa, and Holland... found pretty much nothing in South America... until the next year, when they found something very interesting in the region they had just explored, which they named Patagonia: Horses. And Horses near the coast. Perhaps the Dutch could build a colony here eventually just to get those Horses.
In other news, Sintmaria found Iron and Jungle in West-Central Africa, but nobody really cared about that.
On October 28, 1507, the FS Louis reappeared from the West, this time before the Dutch could respond to it, and the Medieval Infantry on board attacked Antwerp... but once again there was only one unit of them, and the defenders of Antwerp beat them as easily as the defenders of Amsterdam had beaten the French 4 years earlier.
1508 was a pretty quiet year, the only thing of note being that Sintmaria had discovered what looked like another route through the sea that had favorable trade winds from Southern Africa to South America.
But, as the saying goes, it's always the calm before the storm. At the beginning of 1509, the Dutch Scientists finally finished their research on Magnetism, which would enable to them to build better, faster ships called Carracks and let Amsterdam start working on Magellan's Voyage, though it would take a while.
Or at least, it would have, if one genius scientist named Christiaan Huygens hadn't come up with a brilliant idea to complete the Voyage in just one year, rather than decades.
That this had happened was absolutely incredible, and had many immediate implications, like the benefits of the wonder, and many more, less easily seen implications. For one thing, the Dutch could now trade Magnetism without worrying about anyone else building the Voyage, they could be done with it soon enough to give massive benefits to Amsterdam and let it quickly get to work fighting against the French, and perhaps most amusingly, they could get free Frigates from the Voyage before anyone even had any idea how to build one, or what a Frigate even was, them included.
They also noticed some envoys in their capital from another civilization in the New World, who called themselves the Inca and were led by a man named Atahualpa. They must have been given a contact trade or something, because the Dutch certainly never ran into any of them, or even knew where they were. The Dutch decided to find out, by teaching them the knowledge of Currency, which everyone but them knew, in return for a map of everything they knew.
The map was surprisingly extensive. They were located in South America, and knew almost all of South America, and the map revealed that they were pretty big- bigger than the Aztecs, Mayans, and Iroquois, certainly. The other New Worlders seemed surprised that the Inca were that big, muttering something about Mountain cities, uncrossable rainforests, and Moche something when told about it. What this meant was anybody's guess.
The Dutch also decided to go find Portugal and trade their new knowledge of Magnets for the Portuguese Printing Press. Portugal agreed to give this... and a lot of gold and a map that revealed a fair amount of North America and Africa.
With all this happening, the Dutch had almost forgotten about the French Medieval Infantry to the North of Paris that now might be thinking about attacking the Iron Hill. But they didn't forget, and sent in their own Medieval Infantry to kill the French ones. The battle was over quick, and now France had some Medieval Infantry near Paris to deal with, along with some Pikemen that had moved in to cover the Medieval Infantry from attack.
This turned out to be a good choice, as the French attempted to counter-attack the Dutch in November with their Medieval Infantry, but the Pikemen killed them, something the Dutch Medieval Infantry might not have done so well.
Now they were getting desperate, having lost every battle they had fought in the war, while inflicting almost no casualties on the Dutch. They had one last idea, though: They had Longbowmen in Canada. They'd been moving South for a while, and appeared just outside the border of New Amsterdam in December of 1509. The Workers were now threatened by them, and the city was only defended by one unit of Pikemen- that might not hold up so well.
Although the Dutch would get quite a boost in the war from the finishing of Magellan's Voyage in March, 1510...
...William and his advisors agreed that New Amsterdam was quite threatened by this, and now looked like a good time to end the war. They met with the French in both the mildly threatened Paris and the much more threatened New Amsterdam that summer, and hammered out a peace treaty. Neither side really lost anything. The Dutch had wanted a bit of gold or something as compensation for France starting the war in the first place, but the French didn't actually have any gold, and the Dutch were happy with the deal as it was.
The Treaty of New Amsterdam (As it was known in the Netherlands) or Paris (as it was known in France) ended the 9-year-long War of the Fake Map, having accomplished little except a bunch of dead French guys.
Some of the Dutch Caravels finally found something interesting that year. Holland found the Southern tip of South America, the narrow Strait of Magellan, and sailed West and started sailing North up the West coast of South America. Sintmaria fond the Southern tip of Africa, the Cape of Good Hope, but for some reason decided they couldn't sail around it and just kept going south. Amsterdam was in the North Sea, so it didn't find anything, but it wasn't looking for anything- it was heading for Antwerp to be refitted as a Carrack and transport things to the New World. They all continued on their courses in 1511, and Orange entered the South Atlantic to explore stuff. Sintmaria found another trade wind route of the Southern coast of Africa that probably went to somewhere near the Strait of Magellan, and Amsterdam became the first Carrack in the Dutch Navy.
The only notable news outside of the Netherlands around this time was that the Portuguese city of Lisbon had finished work on a great wonder called the Sistine Chapel, and everyone else switched what wonder they were building, no longer able to build this.
The Caravels did more of the same. In 1513, some Pikemen boarded Amsterdam and waited for Colonists to take to the New World, Sintmaria found what they called the "Southeastern edge of the World," Orange found one of the Trade wind routes that Sintmaria had already found, and Holland explored the last bit of the South American coastline. They made a map of all of their discoveries.
The French had noticed a long time ago that they were one of the strongest military forces in Western Europe, especially when compared with their much smaller Dutch neighbors to the North. They liked this a lot, and they began searching for ways they could take advantage of it.
They thought of a way in November, 1501. King Francis sent an envoy to Amsterdam, and he had a request of the Dutch. Well, more of a demand.
"Hello," said William, "What is it that the French want-"
"The honor of France requires that we ask you to give us a small donation of a Territory Map and 48 gold."
William and his advisors thought about this for a few minutes. Most agreed that it was a small demand, but didn't want to cave to it anyway. Finally, one of them came up with an idea, and after he explained it to everyone, they all decided they liked it, and William especially liked it.
He returned to the envoy after the meeting was over. "We have a better idea," he said. "Here's a map to a place where you can find all that gold you want, maybe more. I think we can agree this is fair."
The envoy agreed, and took the map. It took a strange and indirect route, but eventually led him to an area that appeared to be mostly used to dump random garbage into. The map directed him to an area deep in the garbage pile to look for it... but all he ended up finding was a short, insulting message laughing at his gullibility. William found this to be hilarious.
Francis evidently didn't, though, and a declaration of war from France arrived in the Dutch palace soon after.
The war quickly became known as the "War of the Fake Map" after its unusual method of starting, and both sides began mobilizing their forces for it in 1502. They both pulled their workers away from the border, and the Netherlands, having a military of mostly Pikemen, shifted their Pikemen into locations where they'd best be useful for defense, trying to defend the cities as well as possible and making sure the Dutch's sole source of Iron on the French Border was protected.
Meanwhile, the Caravels and Explorers, thousands of miles away, continued their explorations, likely not yet aware that France and the Netherlands were even at war with the long time it took for messages to reach them. RNMS Amsterdam decided to head East, towards Greenland, to explore the rest of that island and the Northern Ice Sheet that blocked them from going further North, Orange and Sintmaria headed East into the Atlantic to see what they could find, and Holland continued following the coast of South America, which suddenly stopped going East and started going South. The Explorers headed North and West through the Creatively named Great Plains and the even more creatively named Rocky Mountains, which were rocky, finding some Gold, finding the mysterious Horses the Iroquois must have either gotten their Horses from or planned to get their Horses from, and then some natives who called themselves the Navajo, which was decidedly less good. They only hoped the nearby Aztecs and Iroquois might kill the Navajo before the Navajo killed them.
Sadly, those hopes went unrealized. The Iroquois Mounted Warriors, despite being much stronger than the Archers, decided to just go run off somewhere else, and the Aztec Jaguar Warriors, despite being a bit stronger than the Archers, died trying to fight them anyway, thanks largely due to having to cross a river and head into a forest to fight them. The Archer climbed the mountain the Explorers were on and killed them all soon after, as the Explorers were unarmed.
In slightly worse news, a French Caravel, FS Louis, appeared in the North Sea just off the coast- not really the direction the Dutch expected an attack from, but they were far enough away that the Dutch could easily respond anyway. In strange news, the Spanish built a city near Lake Michigan. Why they went that far inland is a mystery, especially since that city is too far from either the nearby Furs or the Horses in the Great Plains to make effective use of them.
The Dutch defenders moved around a bit in 1503 to make sure that Amsterdam and Antwerp would be well-defended from that French Caravel, although even then they weren't sure. The Caravels, now certainly aware that they were at war with France, made sure to look out for any French ships, but that never really amounted to anything. Amsterdam found a French Caravel near Greenland, but the two never fought each other and continued on their way. The other three found little of importance.
The FS Louis reached Amsterdam in October... and the Dutch suddenly laughed at how worried they once were of it. It only carried one unit of Medieval Infantry on board, who were easily defeated by the Pikemen defending the city in a very brief battle.
Nonetheless, the Dutch still were a bit worried, because the French likely had more, stronger attacks headed their way, and they really needed to get some more men onto the front lines to fight. To do this, they spent a lot of money on 1504 to greatly accelerate construction on the University of Antwerp so that the city could get to building more military units. They were partially concerned because other civilizations were getting ahead in technology, and several had just researched a Printing Press that could be used to print Books much more cheaply and easily, and get more Colonists to go to the New World. This had little in the way of military application, but they would now probably start researching things that did have military applications. And, of course, they just wanted that Printing Press, and would try to trade for it when they finished figuring Magnets out.
The Caravels continued finding little of interest, although Orange found an English Caravel and a French one in the Mid-Atlantic. Again, they didn't fight the French, probably because Caravels are much better at defense than offense and whoever attacked would likely lose.
The French didn't send any Caravels to attack that Winter, but they did send a unit of Longbowmen into Dutch territory- specifically, to a wheat farm near Brussels. Luckily, they'd sent nothing else in, so the Longbowmen could easily be killed before they ever got the chance to do anything. They also built a city in Canada a bit to the North of the St. Lawrence River, which they called Quebec. They also called the region it was located in Quebec. Strangely, they'd located it quite a bit off of the water.
The Dutch counter-attacked the French Longbowmen in 1505, bombarding them with Trebuchets and then sending in their own Longbowmen to kill them. The Dutch couldn't figure out why, but this failed very miserably, and it was their longbowmen that died rather than the French Longbowmen, which was what they had expected. They finished the job with some Medieval Infantry, and cursed the luck gods for making their longbowmen lose.
The Caravels continued exploring, and by the Fall of 1506, Amsterdam had rounded Greenland, Orange had mapped out all of the Mid-Atlantic (there was nothing there), Sintmaria had begun exploring the coastline of Africa, and Holland... found pretty much nothing in South America... until the next year, when they found something very interesting in the region they had just explored, which they named Patagonia: Horses. And Horses near the coast. Perhaps the Dutch could build a colony here eventually just to get those Horses.
In other news, Sintmaria found Iron and Jungle in West-Central Africa, but nobody really cared about that.
On October 28, 1507, the FS Louis reappeared from the West, this time before the Dutch could respond to it, and the Medieval Infantry on board attacked Antwerp... but once again there was only one unit of them, and the defenders of Antwerp beat them as easily as the defenders of Amsterdam had beaten the French 4 years earlier.
1508 was a pretty quiet year, the only thing of note being that Sintmaria had discovered what looked like another route through the sea that had favorable trade winds from Southern Africa to South America.
But, as the saying goes, it's always the calm before the storm. At the beginning of 1509, the Dutch Scientists finally finished their research on Magnetism, which would enable to them to build better, faster ships called Carracks and let Amsterdam start working on Magellan's Voyage, though it would take a while.
Or at least, it would have, if one genius scientist named Christiaan Huygens hadn't come up with a brilliant idea to complete the Voyage in just one year, rather than decades.
That this had happened was absolutely incredible, and had many immediate implications, like the benefits of the wonder, and many more, less easily seen implications. For one thing, the Dutch could now trade Magnetism without worrying about anyone else building the Voyage, they could be done with it soon enough to give massive benefits to Amsterdam and let it quickly get to work fighting against the French, and perhaps most amusingly, they could get free Frigates from the Voyage before anyone even had any idea how to build one, or what a Frigate even was, them included.
They also noticed some envoys in their capital from another civilization in the New World, who called themselves the Inca and were led by a man named Atahualpa. They must have been given a contact trade or something, because the Dutch certainly never ran into any of them, or even knew where they were. The Dutch decided to find out, by teaching them the knowledge of Currency, which everyone but them knew, in return for a map of everything they knew.
The map was surprisingly extensive. They were located in South America, and knew almost all of South America, and the map revealed that they were pretty big- bigger than the Aztecs, Mayans, and Iroquois, certainly. The other New Worlders seemed surprised that the Inca were that big, muttering something about Mountain cities, uncrossable rainforests, and Moche something when told about it. What this meant was anybody's guess.
The Dutch also decided to go find Portugal and trade their new knowledge of Magnets for the Portuguese Printing Press. Portugal agreed to give this... and a lot of gold and a map that revealed a fair amount of North America and Africa.
With all this happening, the Dutch had almost forgotten about the French Medieval Infantry to the North of Paris that now might be thinking about attacking the Iron Hill. But they didn't forget, and sent in their own Medieval Infantry to kill the French ones. The battle was over quick, and now France had some Medieval Infantry near Paris to deal with, along with some Pikemen that had moved in to cover the Medieval Infantry from attack.
This turned out to be a good choice, as the French attempted to counter-attack the Dutch in November with their Medieval Infantry, but the Pikemen killed them, something the Dutch Medieval Infantry might not have done so well.
Now they were getting desperate, having lost every battle they had fought in the war, while inflicting almost no casualties on the Dutch. They had one last idea, though: They had Longbowmen in Canada. They'd been moving South for a while, and appeared just outside the border of New Amsterdam in December of 1509. The Workers were now threatened by them, and the city was only defended by one unit of Pikemen- that might not hold up so well.
Although the Dutch would get quite a boost in the war from the finishing of Magellan's Voyage in March, 1510...
...William and his advisors agreed that New Amsterdam was quite threatened by this, and now looked like a good time to end the war. They met with the French in both the mildly threatened Paris and the much more threatened New Amsterdam that summer, and hammered out a peace treaty. Neither side really lost anything. The Dutch had wanted a bit of gold or something as compensation for France starting the war in the first place, but the French didn't actually have any gold, and the Dutch were happy with the deal as it was.
The Treaty of New Amsterdam (As it was known in the Netherlands) or Paris (as it was known in France) ended the 9-year-long War of the Fake Map, having accomplished little except a bunch of dead French guys.
Some of the Dutch Caravels finally found something interesting that year. Holland found the Southern tip of South America, the narrow Strait of Magellan, and sailed West and started sailing North up the West coast of South America. Sintmaria fond the Southern tip of Africa, the Cape of Good Hope, but for some reason decided they couldn't sail around it and just kept going south. Amsterdam was in the North Sea, so it didn't find anything, but it wasn't looking for anything- it was heading for Antwerp to be refitted as a Carrack and transport things to the New World. They all continued on their courses in 1511, and Orange entered the South Atlantic to explore stuff. Sintmaria found another trade wind route of the Southern coast of Africa that probably went to somewhere near the Strait of Magellan, and Amsterdam became the first Carrack in the Dutch Navy.
The only notable news outside of the Netherlands around this time was that the Portuguese city of Lisbon had finished work on a great wonder called the Sistine Chapel, and everyone else switched what wonder they were building, no longer able to build this.
The Caravels did more of the same. In 1513, some Pikemen boarded Amsterdam and waited for Colonists to take to the New World, Sintmaria found what they called the "Southeastern edge of the World," Orange found one of the Trade wind routes that Sintmaria had already found, and Holland explored the last bit of the South American coastline. They made a map of all of their discoveries.
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Damn your SGLs! I hardly ever get one.
Still, looking pretty good!
Still, looking pretty good!
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Wow, been a while since I posted my thoughts here... Anyone wanna welcome me back? Also good updates! Good to see that you won your Mesoamerican game!
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I would say that you should spam troops and settlers and blanket North America with yellow ASAP but then, there's the French on your borders... how likely are they to attack after that treaty expires? Anyone you could get on your side in event of another war?
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What's going on, Chox? Update this weekend :3 ?
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