I believe that we'll have better options when we need to build/conquer the 7th/8th city. At deity games, sometimes you may have to utilize each land when it is not a good time for war. However, at other levels, you may always pick the best land no matter it is at your backyard or AI's.
SGOTM 16 - Plastic Ducks
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I believe that we'll have better options when we need to build/conquer the 7th/8th city. At deity games, sometimes you may have to utilize each land when it is not a good time for war. However, at other levels, you may always pick the best land no matter it is at your backyard or AI's.
shakabrade
Praise Vivec!
Sossos, you are right. I fell victim to deity way of thinking. Ok, I am convinced.
I still think Orleans could build us GLH, even more now it has gained deer. It could whip Lighthouse and/or settler into GLH. However, testing will be required. I prefer being conservative on GLH more than on an Oracle and any turn gained would put my vote to Orleans.
BTW, what do we Oracle? No one answered that.
When the Deer tile is already included in the sheep city, I don't see the reason to spend an extra settler. Moreover, the site 1NE is still coastal if there's important resources around.
Again, this game is a long lasting one so that all the city will be able to work at their full potential with Sushi.
We will know more clear in the next set when more surrounding tile revealed. If we are isolated, Monarchy could be a very good choice.
soundjata
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Still little feedback but I will play the 9t turnset and report tonight nevertheless.
Any reason I shall not? I will not have a civ computer from tomorrow till Monday.
Then I will pass the game to the next Duck. Ready to take it Duckweed?
Like Shaka, I am also concerned by the ability to build TGL fast. It would be nice if we can build it in Orleans.
Any reason I shall not? I will not have a civ computer from tomorrow till Monday.
Then I will pass the game to the next Duck. Ready to take it Duckweed?
Like Shaka, I am also concerned by the ability to build TGL fast. It would be nice if we can build it in Orleans.
shakabrade
Praise Vivec!
@soundjata
I have no objections to your PPP.
Green light from me.
Spying on other teams from progress page:
It seems no one settled better spot than us.
More importantly, Phoenix Rising seems to have less than 5 culture more than US and MS at the same period and they all settled on turn 0. That makes me think PR had a religious spread from somewhere else, meaning we are not alone on the map. If they found the religion, they'd have at least 5 culture more, right?
I have no objections to your PPP.
Green light from me.
Spying on other teams from progress page:
It seems no one settled better spot than us.
More importantly, Phoenix Rising seems to have less than 5 culture more than US and MS at the same period and they all settled on turn 0. That makes me think PR had a religious spread from somewhere else, meaning we are not alone on the map. If they found the religion, they'd have at least 5 culture more, right?
Bebekija
King
Your ppp seems fine to me.
So green light from me.
@shaka.
Actually there has been a bit of a discussion regarding the Oracle tech, but the next few turns will dictate the choice anyway. If we're isolated and/or lack happy resources then Monarchy seems obvious, otherwise MC is the best tech in general. More advanced techs such as Currency or CS are definitely out of the question given this low commerce land.
So green light from me.
@shaka.
Actually there has been a bit of a discussion regarding the Oracle tech, but the next few turns will dictate the choice anyway. If we're isolated and/or lack happy resources then Monarchy seems obvious, otherwise MC is the best tech in general. More advanced techs such as Currency or CS are definitely out of the question given this low commerce land.
I'd like to see you finish at least BW, better AH before handing over, we can do more clear test at that time.
The only team I'm sure that settling on T0 is PR and their culture is normal without any religion. Kaku seemed to settle on PH (2 turns of delay). The other 2 teams might settle on T0 and revolted to slavery.
soundjata
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It was quick
I press "end turn" and meet Brennus, who is the founder of Buddism.
I put our spy points on him.
Now we get a Bonus research for Hunting/Mysticism and Meditation for sure. Hopefully AH as well
His best unit is "archers", of which he has "numberless" or so he claims.
His favorite civic is OR. Sounds like a nice buddy for the next 3000 years
He is not connected to our trade network yet (no joke
)
Now Shaka's positioning of Orleans become very attractive (coastal fish instead of Tundra deer). Is it a good reason to switch research to Fishing instead of Pottery?
Any other implication of meeting Mister I always punch my own chest before I speak a.k.a. Brennus?
Waiting for some Feedback (notice the couple of question marks in my report) before I proceed.
I press "end turn" and meet Brennus, who is the founder of Buddism.
I put our spy points on him.
Spoiler :
Now we get a Bonus research for Hunting/Mysticism and Meditation for sure. Hopefully AH as well
His best unit is "archers", of which he has "numberless" or so he claims.
His favorite civic is OR. Sounds like a nice buddy for the next 3000 years
He is not connected to our trade network yet (no joke
)Now Shaka's positioning of Orleans become very attractive (coastal fish instead of Tundra deer). Is it a good reason to switch research to Fishing instead of Pottery?
Any other implication of meeting Mister I always punch my own chest before I speak a.k.a. Brennus?
Waiting for some Feedback (notice the couple of question marks in my report) before I proceed.
Meeting Brennus is a good news, then you need to record his Eps on us for a few turns to see whether he has contact with other AIs.
I don't think the discovery of the extra fish changes things, on GH tile also include it. If you see another seafood nearby, then I agree.
We can further discuss it later.
The reason that I abandon Fish is mainly for faster Oracle, The sheep city already has 2 good tiles to work (sheep + 2 FPs) and potentially strategic resources.
I don't think the discovery of the extra fish changes things, on GH tile also include it. If you see another seafood nearby, then I agree.
We can further discuss it later.The reason that I abandon Fish is mainly for faster Oracle, The sheep city already has 2 good tiles to work (sheep + 2 FPs) and potentially strategic resources.
soundjata
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Thank you Duckweed for the feedback 
Brennus has all spy points on us during the turnset (4SP/turn)
Hinduism found on turn 10.
Our warrior met a lion, who attacked on a forest across a river.
I don't think anything else needs to be reported. You can check the uploaded game, which is paused.
Turnlog
Now like I said I will be off (and on the beach
) for the next 4 days.
I don't mind playing a few more turns but wave your tail if you wish to take the game now
Will work now on the test game. I'll need to fit Brennus somewhere south near the south pole...
[Edit: Sorry it's kinda late here, and I have no idea how to fit Brennus in a game where he is not originally... No test game from me
]
Brennus has all spy points on us during the turnset (4SP/turn)
Hinduism found on turn 10.
Our warrior met a lion, who attacked on a forest across a river.
Spoiler :
We survived with 2% HP I don't think anything else needs to be reported. You can check the uploaded game, which is paused.
Turnlog
Spoiler :
Now like I said I will be off (and on the beach
) for the next 4 days.I don't mind playing a few more turns but wave your tail if you wish to take the game now
Will work now on the test game. I'll need to fit Brennus somewhere south near the south pole...
[Edit: Sorry it's kinda late here, and I have no idea how to fit Brennus in a game where he is not originally... No test game from me
]
shakabrade
Praise Vivec!
The only team I'm sure that settling on T0 is PR and their culture is normal without any religion. Kaku seemed to settle on PH (2 turns of delay). The other 2 teams might settle on T0 and revolted to slavery.[/QUOTE]
You are right. I didn't know Progress page always puts lines from center, no matter when you settled. Things you don't notice when not actively participating...
How come scores are so wild?! Shawshank, wtf? Or that is because they only settled on T0.
Like huts were on. Don't get anything.
On game:
Good job, soundjata. Wow, that lion really did some damage. Well, retreat to our borders and heal. too bad we'll lose on exploration.
And potentially on beakers.
I don't think we should research Fishing just yet. Safety of Oracle is our main concern.
We have an island.
You are right. I didn't know Progress page always puts lines from center, no matter when you settled. Things you don't notice when not actively participating...
How come scores are so wild?! Shawshank, wtf? Or that is because they only settled on T0.
Like huts were on. Don't get anything.
On game:
Good job, soundjata. Wow, that lion really did some damage. Well, retreat to our borders and heal. too bad we'll lose on exploration.
And potentially on beakers. I don't think we should research Fishing just yet. Safety of Oracle is our main concern.
We have an island.
@soundjata
4 days off are a bit long for this tense game, so I will take the game now. Will post PPP tonight.
Brennus surely met someone he hates since there's only 8 EPs on us.
Yes, TSR settled on T0 from the culture chart, which reveals the most things in early stage. Combine with score and power chart, you can also reveal what tech and what build in the capital. For instance, 3 teams obviously researched BW 1st.
We can decide that after we finish BW, we need Axe or chariot to deal with barbarians. It seems that kcd favors food much more than happiness, we might need to Oracle Monarchy to grow our cities and support whipping settlers and workers.
4 days off are a bit long for this tense game, so I will take the game now.
Will post PPP tonight.Brennus surely met someone he hates since there's only 8 EPs on us.
Yes, TSR settled on T0 from the culture chart, which reveals the most things in early stage. Combine with score and power chart, you can also reveal what tech and what build in the capital. For instance, 3 teams obviously researched BW 1st.
We can decide that after we finish BW, we need Axe or chariot to deal with barbarians. It seems that kcd favors food much more than happiness, we might need to Oracle Monarchy to grow our cities and support whipping settlers and workers.
shakabrade
Praise Vivec!
Is there any test game, I'd like to test a bit to improve micro. I guess Duckweed will test on something so if he would be so kind to provide one...
@soundjata
Have fun!
@soundjata
Have fun!
@shakabrade
You could temporarily use the save here to test.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11856123&postcount=118
I think the new revealed tiles don't have any effect on the test since they don't change the 2nd city site.
I'd probably produce a new test game later since we are in north hemisphere in the real game, there are a lots of land in the South.
You could temporarily use the save here to test.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11856123&postcount=118
I think the new revealed tiles don't have any effect on the test since they don't change the 2nd city site.
I'd probably produce a new test game later since we are in north hemisphere in the real game, there are a lots of land in the South.
PPP to BW
Current warrior pulls back to Paris and recovers, it will be sent to scout north a little bit, also secure the sheep site.
...
T22 -- worker goes SW and finish road
T23 -- worker goes to the FP and cottage
...
T27 -- Paris grows to size 3, the 3rd citizen works on 2F1H tile so that Paris will grows in 4 turns
T28 -- worker goes to the 2N1W PH tile
T29 -- Paris (Gra), New warrior scouts south, Worker mines
T30
T31 -- Paris (size4 settler, AUTO ON)
T32 -- BW completed
Current warrior pulls back to Paris and recovers, it will be sent to scout north a little bit, also secure the sheep site.
...
T22 -- worker goes SW and finish road
T23 -- worker goes to the FP and cottage
...
T27 -- Paris grows to size 3, the 3rd citizen works on 2F1H tile so that Paris will grows in 4 turns
T28 -- worker goes to the 2N1W PH tile
T29 -- Paris (Gra), New warrior scouts south, Worker mines
T30
T31 -- Paris (size4 settler, AUTO ON)
T32 -- BW completed
shakabrade
Praise Vivec!
@Duckweed
Please explain AUTO ON.
Other than that, Green Light.
Good luck!
Please explain AUTO ON.
Other than that, Green Light.
Good luck!
It means that I will turn on the city Governor. Because on T27, I manually assign the 3rd citizen to 2F1H tile, which turns off the city Governor.
