SGOTM 16 - U'nu'sual S'us'pec'ts

Also,

- renegotiate the Gems trade with Qin to try get another gpt.
- sell Sally Spices for 1gpt (everyone else has spices now)
- trade Chemistry for Banking & gold & map & War with Ramesses!!
- Bibracte work a village instead of Oasis
- RFBF, change its name to RFBF and whip the LB
- change EP to SB (level 2) but keep Sally at level 1.
 
In other news, Saladin finished the Hindu shrine. :D

So, we have 1 more option regarding which shrine we could conquer.
 
Google tells me it is 4:45 am in New Jersey SH, are you just up, or about to go to bed?

..and its 1.45 am in San Fran!!
 
Sorry - I missed everything after my last post, and the save has been uploaded. I missed the War with Ramesses option. :(

We have captured Heliopolis and Memphis and obtained Thebes for peace with Brennus. He would not give us the island city.

Edit: Upload log:

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Here is your Session Turn Log from 1230 AD to 1240 AD:

Turn 183, 1230 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Stone!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Production can hurry Market for 3⇴ with 36ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 67 turns.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Commerce can hurry Courthouse for 4⇴ with 14ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 46 turns.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Barb City has grown to size 7.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Zhou has become happy.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Wheat has grown to size 5.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Red Fish Blue F can hurry Longbowman for 1⇴ with 16ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 50 turns.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Bibracte has grown to size 4.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Camel Dumdum can hurry Library for 2⇴ with 6ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 31 turns.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: You are the worst enemy of Ramesses II, Saladin.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: The borders of Sugar Gems are about to expand.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Qin Shi Huang will trade Banking
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Catapult 2 (Commerce) has reduced the defenses of Pi-Ramesses to 12%!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Catapult 4 (GP Farm) has reduced the defenses of Pi-Ramesses to 4%!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 4 (Paris) (3.64) vs Ramesses II's Longbowman (6.24)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Combat Odds: 9.2%
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Plot Defense: +29%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Defense: +25%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Hills Defense: +45%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Attack: -120%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Trebuchet 4 (Paris) has caused collateral damage! (2 Units)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 4 (Paris) is hit for 25 (66/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 15 (85/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 15 (70/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 4 (Paris) is hit for 25 (41/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 15 (55/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 4 (Paris) is hit for 25 (16/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 4 (Paris) is hit for 25 (0/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman has defeated Louis XIV's Trebuchet 4 (Paris)!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Trebuchet 4 (Paris) has died trying to attack a Longbowman!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 10 (Paris) (4.00) vs Ramesses II's Longbowman (4.96)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Combat Odds: 44.4%
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Plot Defense: +29%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Fortify: +10%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Defense: +25%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Hills Defense: +45%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Attack: -120%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Trebuchet 10 (Paris) has caused collateral damage! (1 Unit)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 10 (Paris) is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 10 (Paris) is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 17 (75/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 10 (Paris) is hit for 22 (34/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 17 (58/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 10 (Paris) is hit for 22 (12/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 17 (41/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Trebuchet 10 (Paris) has withdrawn from combat with a Longbowman!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 3 (Paris) (7.04) vs Ramesses II's Longbowman (5.90)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Combat Odds: 79.3%
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Plot Defense: +29%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Defense: +25%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Hills Defense: +45%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Attack: -45%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 3 (Paris) is hit for 21 (67/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 3 (Paris) is hit for 21 (46/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 19 (36/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 19 (17/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 19 (0/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 3 (Paris) has defeated Ramesses II's Longbowman!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Maceman 3 (Paris) has destroyed a Longbowman!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 13 (Clams) (8.27) vs Ramesses II's Axeman (4.87)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Combat Odds: 96.4%
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Plot Defense: +29%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Attack: -20%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Combat: -50%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Combat: +50%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Axeman is hit for 25 (57/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Axeman is hit for 25 (32/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Axeman is hit for 25 (7/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Axeman is hit for 25 (0/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 13 (Clams) has defeated Ramesses II's Axeman!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Maceman 13 (Clams) has destroyed a Axeman!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 14 (Barb City) (7.48) vs Ramesses II's Longbowman (2.83)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Combat Odds: 98.9%
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Plot Defense: +29%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Fortify: +10%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Defense: +25%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Hills Defense: +45%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Attack: -20%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 14 (Barb City) is hit for 18 (67/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 21 (4/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 14 (Barb City) is hit for 18 (49/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 21 (0/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 14 (Barb City) has defeated Ramesses II's Longbowman!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Maceman 14 (Barb City) has destroyed a Longbowman!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: You have captured Pi-Ramesses!!!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II refuses to talk.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: You are the worst enemy of Ramesses II, Saladin.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Hammurabi is the worst enemy of Brennus.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Brennus is the worst enemy of Hammurabi.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: The borders of Sugar Gems are about to expand.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Qin Shi Huang will trade Banking
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Will Trade Map: Brennus, Hammurabi, Qin Shi Huang, Sitting Bull
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Will Capitulate: Brennus
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Will Sign Peace Treaty: Brennus
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 1 (Paris) (4.00) vs Ramesses II's Longbowman (5.21)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Combat Odds: 28.0%
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Plot Defense: +60%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Defense: +45%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Attack: -145%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Trebuchet 1 (Paris) has caused collateral damage! (3 Units)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 1 (Paris) is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 17 (83/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 1 (Paris) is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 1 (Paris) is hit for 22 (34/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 1 (Paris) is hit for 22 (12/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 17 (66/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 17 (49/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 17 (32/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 1 (Paris) is hit for 22 (0/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman has defeated Louis XIV's Trebuchet 1 (Paris)!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Trebuchet 1 (Paris) has died trying to attack a Longbowman!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 2 (Production) (4.00) vs Ramesses II's Swordsman (3.68)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Combat Odds: 78.6%
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Plot Defense: +60%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Attack: -145%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Trebuchet 2 (Production) has caused collateral damage! (2 Units)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Swordsman is hit for 20 (72/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Swordsman is hit for 20 (52/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Swordsman is hit for 20 (32/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 2 (Production) is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 2 (Production) is hit for 19 (62/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 2 (Production) is hit for 19 (43/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 2 (Production) is hit for 19 (24/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Trebuchet 2 (Production) has withdrawn from combat with a Swordsman!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 11 (Production) (4.00) vs Ramesses II's Horse Archer (2.52)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Combat Odds: 98.0%
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Extra Combat: +20%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Attack: -120%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Trebuchet 11 (Production) has caused collateral damage! (1 Unit)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Horse Archer is hit for 24 (60/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 11 (Production) is hit for 16 (84/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 11 (Production) is hit for 16 (68/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Horse Archer is hit for 24 (36/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Trebuchet 11 (Production) has withdrawn from combat with a Horse Archer!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 14 (Production) (4.00) vs Ramesses II's Longbowman (2.11)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Combat Odds: 99.2%
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Plot Defense: +60%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Defense: +45%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Attack: -120%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Trebuchet 14 (Production) has caused collateral damage! (1 Unit)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Trebuchet 14 (Production) has withdrawn from combat with a Longbowman!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 16 (West Coast Silk) (4.00) vs Ramesses II's Catapult (2.27)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Combat Odds: 98.6%
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Attack: -120%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Trebuchet 16 (West Coast Silk) has caused collateral damage! (1 Unit)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Catapult is hit for 26 (74/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Catapult is hit for 26 (48/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 16 (West Coast Silk) is hit for 15 (85/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 16 (West Coast Silk) is hit for 15 (70/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Trebuchet 16 (West Coast Silk) has withdrawn from combat with a Catapult!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 2 (Wheat) (6.24) vs Ramesses II's Longbowman (2.32)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Combat Odds: 98.9%
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Plot Defense: +60%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Defense: +45%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Attack: -75%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 22 (3/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 22 (0/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 2 (Wheat) has defeated Ramesses II's Longbowman!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Maceman 2 (Wheat) has destroyed a Longbowman!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 1 (West Coast Silk) (8.00) vs Ramesses II's War Chariot (1.77)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Extra Combat: +20%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Attack: -75%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's War Chariot is hit for 34 (21/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's War Chariot is hit for 34 (0/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 1 (West Coast Silk) has defeated Ramesses II's War Chariot!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Maceman 1 (West Coast Silk) has destroyed a War Chariot!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 11 (Wheat) (7.04) vs Ramesses II's Swordsman (1.50)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Plot Defense: +60%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (City Attack: -45%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: (Combat: -50%)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 11 (Wheat) is hit for 14 (74/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ramesses II's Swordsman is hit for 28 (0/100HP)
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 11 (Wheat) has defeated Ramesses II's Swordsman!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Your Maceman 11 (Wheat) has destroyed a Swordsman!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Zhou will grow to size 11 on the next turn.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Red Fish Blue F will grow to size 8 on the next turn.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Ski Resort will grow to size 6 on the next turn.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: Stone will grow to size 5 on the next turn.
Turn 183, 1230 AD: You have discovered Banking!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: You have discovered Scientific Method!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: You have discovered a source of Oil near Wheat!
Turn 183, 1230 AD: The borders of Sugar Gems have expanded!

Turn 184, 1240 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Pi-Ramesses!
Turn 184, 1240 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Stone!
Turn 184, 1240 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Production!
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Clams will become unhappy on the next turn.
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Zhou has grown to size 11.
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Zhou has become unhappy.
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Wheat can hurry Market for 2⇴ with 14ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 56 turns.
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Red Fish Blue F has grown to size 8.
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Red Fish Blue F has become unhappy.
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Bibracte can hurry Buddhist Temple for 1⇴ with 26ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 32 turns.
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ski Resort has grown to size 6.
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Stone has grown to size 5.
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Saladin has 60 gold available for trade.
Turn 184, 1240 AD: The borders of Zhou are about to expand.
Turn 184, 1240 AD: The borders of Isca are about to expand.
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 11 (Production) (3.36) vs Ramesses II's Longbowman (4.28)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Combat Odds: 18.5%
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (Plot Defense: +60%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (City Defense: +45%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (City Attack: -145%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 11 (Production) is hit for 21 (63/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 11 (Production) is hit for 21 (42/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 11 (Production) is hit for 21 (21/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 11 (Production) is hit for 21 (0/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman has defeated Louis XIV's Trebuchet 11 (Production)!
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Your Trebuchet 11 (Production) has died trying to attack a Longbowman!
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 14 (Production) (4.00) vs Ramesses II's Longbowman (3.33)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Combat Odds: 79.5%
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (Plot Defense: +60%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (City Defense: +45%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (City Attack: -120%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 14 (Production) is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 14 (Production) is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 14 (Production) is hit for 20 (40/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 14 (Production) is hit for 20 (20/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 19 (45/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 14 (Production) is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman has defeated Louis XIV's Trebuchet 14 (Production)!
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Scipio Africanus (Great General) has been born in Heliopolis (Ramesses II)!
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Your Trebuchet 14 (Production) has died trying to attack a Longbowman!
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 16 (West Coast Silk) (2.80) vs Ramesses II's Longbowman (2.34)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Combat Odds: 81.3%
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (Plot Defense: +60%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (City Defense: +45%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (City Attack: -120%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 16 (West Coast Silk) is hit for 21 (49/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 16 (West Coast Silk) is hit for 21 (28/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 18 (27/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Your Trebuchet 16 (West Coast Silk) has withdrawn from combat with a Longbowman!
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 2 (Wheat) (6.24) vs Ramesses II's Longbowman (1.95)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Combat Odds: 99.4%
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (Plot Defense: +60%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (City Defense: +45%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (City Attack: -75%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 24 (1/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 2 (Wheat) has defeated Ramesses II's Longbowman!
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Your Maceman 2 (Wheat) has destroyed a Longbowman!
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 1 (West Coast Silk) (8.00) vs Ramesses II's Horse Archer (0.96)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (Extra Combat: +20%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (City Attack: -75%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Horse Archer is hit for 34 (0/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 1 (West Coast Silk) has defeated Ramesses II's Horse Archer!
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Your Maceman 1 (West Coast Silk) has destroyed a Horse Archer!
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 11 (Wheat) (6.96) vs Ramesses II's Catapult (0.71)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (City Attack: -75%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Catapult is hit for 37 (0/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 11 (Wheat) has defeated Ramesses II's Catapult!
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Your Maceman 11 (Wheat) has destroyed a Catapult!
Turn 184, 1240 AD: You have captured Memphis!!!
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 3 (Clams) (3.36) vs Ramesses II's Longbowman (7.50)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Combat Odds: 0.7%
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (Plot Defense: +75%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (City Defense: +45%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (Hills Defense: +25%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (City Attack: -145%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Your Trebuchet 3 (Clams) has caused collateral damage! (1 Unit)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 14 (86/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 3 (Clams) is hit for 28 (56/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 14 (72/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 3 (Clams) is hit for 28 (28/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 14 (58/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 3 (Clams) is hit for 28 (0/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman has defeated Louis XIV's Trebuchet 3 (Clams)!
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Your Trebuchet 3 (Clams) has died trying to attack a Longbowman!
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 5 (Production) (4.00) vs Ramesses II's Longbowman (9.38)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Combat Odds: 1.5%
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (Plot Defense: +75%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (City Defense: +25%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (Hills Defense: +45%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (City Attack: -100%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 13 (79/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 13 (66/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 5 (Production) is hit for 30 (70/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 5 (Production) is hit for 30 (40/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 13 (53/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 13 (40/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Trebuchet 5 (Production) is hit for 30 (10/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 13 (27/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Your Trebuchet 5 (Production) has withdrawn from combat with a Longbowman!
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 4 (GP Farm) (8.00) vs Ramesses II's Longbowman (7.83)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Combat Odds: 58.2%
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (Plot Defense: +75%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (City Defense: +45%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (Hills Defense: +25%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (City Attack: -45%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 4 (GP Farm) is hit for 23 (77/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 17 (41/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 17 (24/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 17 (7/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 17 (0/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 4 (GP Farm) has defeated Ramesses II's Longbowman!
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Your Maceman 4 (GP Farm) has destroyed a Longbowman!
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 7 (Clams) (8.00) vs Ramesses II's Longbowman (2.92)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Combat Odds: 99.7%
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (Plot Defense: +75%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (City Defense: +25%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (Hills Defense: +45%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (City Attack: -75%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 20 (5/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Longbowman is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 7 (Clams) has defeated Ramesses II's Longbowman!
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Your Maceman 7 (Clams) has destroyed a Longbowman!
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 6 (Commerce) (7.76) vs Ramesses II's Catapult (3.44)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Combat Odds: 99.5%
Turn 184, 1240 AD: (City Attack: -45%)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Catapult is hit for 29 (71/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Catapult is hit for 29 (42/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Catapult is hit for 29 (13/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 6 (Commerce) is hit for 13 (84/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Ramesses II's Catapult is hit for 29 (0/100HP)
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Louis XIV's Maceman 6 (Commerce) has defeated Ramesses II's Catapult!
Turn 184, 1240 AD: Your Maceman 6 (Commerce) has destroyed a Catapult!
Turn 184, 1240 AD: You have captured Heliopolis!!!
Turn 184, 1240 AD: You have made peace with Brennus!
 
No worries, it was just a nice to have. Its easy being an armchair critic :)

Well played, we have Memphis!!!!! Told you we would win :D

edit: WOW, look at at the score graph!
 
neilmeister said:
Google tells me it is 4:45 am in New Jersey SH, are you just up, or about to go to bed?

..and its 1.45 am in San Fran!!
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Yes - Time for Trystero to join Mrs. Trystero and Trystero Jr. in slumberland. :sleep:

I will post screenshots in the morning.
 
neilmeister said:
No worries, it was just a nice to have. Its easy being an armchair critic :)

Well played, we have Memphis!!!!! Told you we would win :D
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Why would I have ever doubted you? Oh, right... It wasn't you who I was doubting. :p

edit: WOW, look at at the score graph!
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:D OK - I think I am ready to hand off to SH now.
 
Good night Trys,
Good morning SH.

I'm going to gaze at the save and the graphs now..... I can taste victory :trophy:
 
Trystero said:
Yes - Time for Trystero to join Mrs. Trystero and Trystero Jr. in slumberland. :sleep:

I will post screenshots in the morning.
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Very nice work :goodjob:
GA has lots of uses. Golden Age for civic swap or to speed cult city.

Are you handing off at this point?
if so, neil - feel free to start on a PPP. I will take a look at or start one tonight (us time).

EDIT: cross-post at 5am - how sad.
 
Roger, wilco :salute:
 
I can tidy things up if required, but I don't think I should play past the end of this turn. She is all yours SH.

Too much adrenaline to go to bed. Here are some screenshots:

Wheeling and dealing:

Spoiler :












We win!
Spoiler :


We aren't very nice people:

Spoiler :
Wanna make a deal?


Thanks! Time to die.


Hey Brennus, do you want to live 10 more turns?

I thought so. Don't worry, we'll get Tolosa from you eventually.


New cities:

Spoiler :


Another shrine is ours:




Brennus did build a monastery for us:


I will post more screenshots of the demograhics, etc., tomorrow.

Good night all.
 
SteelHorse said:
EDIT: cross-post at 5am - how sad.
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It may be 5 am to you, but here it is only 2:30! (I am really going to pay for this tomorrow, but it was worth it. :))
 
Love the comments :lol:

edit: and that's the spirit.... victory at all costs.
 
Why are you still up Trys???
 
Saw your score curve and had to see what was going on. :scan:

Its impossible to keep up with teams like this where you just play in shifts.

The sun never sets on the U'nusual S'uspects.:lol:
 
neilmeister said:
Why are you still up Trys???
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Couldn't sleep. And I'm amazingly functional this morning, actually. :)

Autolog:


Spoiler :
Logging by BUFFY 3.19.003 (BtS 3.19)
------------------------------------------------
Turn 180/500 (1200 AD) [28-Nov-2012 22:09:39]
Research begun: Scientific Method (3 Turns)
Tech traded to Qin Shi Huang (China): Engineering
Tech traded to Sitting Bull (Native America): Music
Production begins: Buddhist Monastery (2 turns)
Clams begins: Market (10 turns)
Barb City begins: Buddhist Monastery (4 turns)
Zhou begins: Buddhist Monastery (3 turns)
Buddhism has spread: Red Fish Blue F
Red Fish Blue F begins: Buddhist Monastery (60 turns)
Bibracte begins: Buddhist Monastery (4 turns)
Stone begins: Buddhist Temple (27 turns)
Gergovia begins: Buddhist Temple (16 turns)
East Coast Gems begins: Lighthouse (30 turns)
A Farm was built near East Coast Gems
0% Research: 38 per turn
0% Culture: 250 per turn
0% Espionage: 32 per turn
100% Gold: 283 per turn, 2108 in the bank

After End Turn:
The whip was applied in Clams
The whip was applied in Ski Resort
The whip was applied in Stone
The whip was applied in Gergovia
Paris grows to size 11
Clams finishes: Buddhist Monastery
Barb City grows to size 8
Barb City's borders expand
Fake Humbaba finishes: Buddhist Monastery
Bibracte grows to size 5
Bibracte's borders expand
Ski Resort grows to size 4
Ski Resort finishes: Buddhist Monastery
Camel Dumdum grows to size 4
Stone grows to size 3
Stone finishes: Buddhist Monastery
Gergovia finishes: Buddhist Monastery

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Ramesses II (Egypt) towards Qin Shi Huang (China), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'
Civics Change: Qin Shi Huang(China) from 'Pacifism' to 'Organized Religion'

Turn 181/500 (1210 AD) [28-Nov-2012 22:40:48]
Fake Humbaba begins: University (14 turns)
Gergovia begins: Courthouse (18 turns)
0% Research: 37 per turn
0% Culture: 260 per turn
0% Espionage: 28 per turn
100% Gold: 289 per turn, 2391 in the bank

After End Turn:
The whip was applied in Barb City
The whip was applied in Zhou
The whip was applied in Red Fish Blue F
The whip was applied in Bibracte
GP Farm finishes: University
Dante Alighieri (Great Artist) born in GP Farm
Production finishes: Buddhist Monastery
Commerce grows to size 14
A Town was built near Commerce
Clams grows to size 7
West Fish grows to size 6
Barb City finishes: Buddhist Monastery
Zhou finishes: Buddhist Monastery
A Hamlet was built near West Fish
West Coast Silk grows to size 7
West Coast Silk finishes: Buddhist Monastery
Red Fish Blue F grows to size 7
Red Fish Blue F finishes: Buddhist Monastery
Bibracte finishes: Buddhist Monastery
Sugar Gems grows to size 6
Ski Resort grows to size 5
Stone grows to size 4
Gergovia's borders expand
East Coast Gems's borders expand

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Qin Shi Huang (China) towards Louis XIV (France), from 'Pleased' to 'Friendly'

Turn 182/500 (1220 AD) [28-Nov-2012 23:01:10]
GP Farm begins: Courthouse (8 turns)
West Coast Silk begins: Chariot (2 turns)
Isca begins: Harbor (8 turns)
Isca begins: Buddhist Temple (8 turns)
Isca begins: Lighthouse (6 turns)
Isca begins: Lighthouse (1 turns)

Logging by BUFFY 3.19.003 (BtS 3.19)
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Turn 182/500 (1220 AD) [28-Nov-2012 23:44:41]
Commerce begins: Courthouse (6 turns)
Red Fish Blue F begins: Longbowman (17 turns)
Camel Dumdum begins: Library (45 turns)
Tech traded to Qin Shi Huang (China): Gunpowder
Tech acquired (trade, lightbulb, hut, espionage): Guilds
Tech traded to Ramesses II (Egypt): Philosophy
Louis XIV (France) declares war on Ramesses II (Egypt)
Pikeman 2 (Clams) promoted: Combat II
A Farm was built near East Coast Gems
A Cottage was built near Sugar Gems
A Cottage was built near Camel Dumdum
A Cottage was built near Wheat
100% Research: 1020 per turn
0% Culture: 278 per turn
0% Espionage: 32 per turn
0% Gold: -342 per turn, 2992 in the bank

After End Turn:
The whip was applied in Commerce
The whip was applied in Camel Dumdum
Commerce finishes: Oxford University
Barb City grows to size 7
Barb City finishes: Trebuchet
Wheat grows to size 5
Bibracte grows to size 4
Bibracte finishes: Courthouse
A Hamlet was built near Ski Resort
Camel Dumdum grows to size 4
Camel Dumdum finishes: Buddhist Monastery
Isca finishes: Christian Monastery

Other Player Actions:
While defending in Egyptian territory at Memphis, Crossbowman 3 (Production) (1.68/6) defeats Egyptian Catapult (Prob Victory: 70.7%)
While defending in Egyptian territory at Pi-Ramesses, Maceman 14 (Barb City) (6.80/8) defeats Egyptian Catapult (Prob Victory: 84.9%)
Attitude Change: Ramesses II (Egypt) towards Louis XIV (France), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'
Attitude Change: Ramesses II (Egypt) towards Hammurabi (Babylon), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'
Attitude Change: Brennus (Celtia) towards Saladin (Arabia), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'

Turn 183/500 (1230 AD) [29-Nov-2012 00:12:49]
Barb City begins: Longbowman (4 turns)
Bibracte begins: Buddhist Temple (5 turns)
While attacking in Egyptian territory at Pi-Ramesses, Trebuchet 4 (Paris) loses to Egyptian Longbowman (3.30/6) (Prob Victory: 9.2%)
Trebuchet 10 (Paris) promoted: City Raider I
While attacking, Trebuchet 10 (Paris) decimates Egyptian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 44.4%)
While attacking in Egyptian territory at Pi-Ramesses, Maceman 3 (Paris) (3.68/8) defeats Egyptian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 79.3%)
Maceman 13 (Clams) promoted: City Raider I
While attacking in Egyptian territory at Pi-Ramesses, Maceman 13 (Clams) (7.52/8) defeats Egyptian Axeman (Prob Victory: 96.4%)
While attacking in Egyptian territory at Pi-Ramesses, Maceman 14 (Barb City) (3.92/8) defeats Egyptian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 98.9%)
Confucianism has spread: Pi-Ramesses
Captured Pi-Ramesses (Ramesses II)
Pi-Ramesses begins: Forge (121 turns)
A Cottage was built near Ski Resort
A Cottage was built near Ski Resort

Logging by BUFFY 3.19.003 (BtS 3.19)
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Turn 183/500 (1230 AD) [29-Nov-2012 01:23:06]
Trebuchet 1 (Paris) promoted: City Raider II
While attacking in Egyptian territory at Memphis, Trebuchet 1 (Paris) loses to Egyptian Longbowman (1.92/6) (Prob Victory: 28.0%)
Trebuchet 2 (Production) promoted: City Raider II
While attacking, Trebuchet 2 (Production) escapes from Egyptian Swordsman (Prob Victory: 78.6%)
While attacking, Trebuchet 11 (Production) decimates Egyptian Horse Archer (Prob Victory: 98.0%)
Trebuchet 14 (Production) promoted: City Raider I
Trebuchet 16 (West Coast Silk) promoted: City Raider I
While attacking, Trebuchet 16 (West Coast Silk) escapes from Egyptian Catapult (Prob Victory: 98.6%)
While attacking in Egyptian territory at Memphis, Maceman 2 (Wheat) (6.24/8) defeats Egyptian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 98.9%)
While attacking in Egyptian territory at Memphis, Maceman 1 (West Coast Silk) (8.00/8) defeats Egyptian War Chariot (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
While attacking in Egyptian territory at Memphis, Maceman 11 (Wheat) (5.92/8) defeats Egyptian Swordsman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
Tech traded to Qin Shi Huang (China): Chemistry
Tech acquired (trade, lightbulb, hut, espionage): Banking
100% Research: 1101 per turn
0% Culture: 286 per turn
0% Espionage: 34 per turn
0% Gold: -345 per turn, 2858 in the bank

After End Turn:
Tech research finished: Scientific Method
West Fish finishes: Buddhist Temple
A Village was built near West Fish
Zhou grows to size 11
Red Fish Blue F grows to size 8
Sugar Gems's borders expand
Ski Resort grows to size 6
Ski Resort finishes: Courthouse
Stone grows to size 5
Isca finishes: Lighthouse

Other Player Actions:
Attitude Change: Ramesses II (Egypt) towards Qin Shi Huang (China), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'
Attitude Change: Hammurabi (Babylon) towards Ramesses II (Egypt), from 'Cautious' to 'Pleased'

Turn 184/500 (1240 AD) [29-Nov-2012 01:31:27]
Research begun: Biology (4 Turns)
West Fish begins: Market (10 turns)
Ski Resort begins: Library (5 turns)
Isca begins: Christian Missionary (14 turns)
Maceman 3 (Paris) promoted: City Raider III
Trebuchet 11 (Production) promoted: City Raider II
While attacking in Egyptian territory at Memphis, Trebuchet 11 (Production) loses to Egyptian Longbowman (3.84/6) (Prob Victory: 18.5%)
While attacking in Egyptian territory at Memphis, Trebuchet 14 (Production) loses to Egyptian Longbowman (2.70/6) (Prob Victory: 79.5%)
While attacking, Trebuchet 16 (West Coast Silk) decimates Egyptian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 81.3%)
While attacking in Egyptian territory at Memphis, Maceman 2 (Wheat) (6.24/8) defeats Egyptian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 99.4%)
While attacking in Egyptian territory at Memphis, Maceman 1 (West Coast Silk) (8.00/8) defeats Egyptian Horse Archer (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
Maceman 11 (Wheat) promoted: City Raider III
While attacking in Egyptian territory at Memphis, Maceman 11 (Wheat) (6.96/8) defeats Egyptian Catapult (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
Buddhism has been removed: Memphis (Egyptian Empire)
Christianity has spread: Memphis
Buddhism has spread: Memphis
Confucianism has spread: Memphis
Captured Memphis (Ramesses II)
Memphis begins: Forge (121 turns)
While attacking in Egyptian territory at Heliopolis, Trebuchet 3 (Clams) loses to Egyptian Longbowman (3.48/6) (Prob Victory: 0.7%)
While attacking, Trebuchet 5 (Production) decimates Egyptian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 1.5%)
While attacking in Egyptian territory at Heliopolis, Maceman 4 (GP Farm) (6.16/8) defeats Egyptian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 58.2%)
While attacking in Egyptian territory at Heliopolis, Maceman 7 (Clams) (8.00/8) defeats Egyptian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 99.7%)
While attacking in Egyptian territory at Heliopolis, Maceman 6 (Commerce) (6.72/8) defeats Egyptian Catapult (Prob Victory: 99.5%)
Buddhism has been removed: Heliopolis (Egyptian Empire)
Confucianism has been removed: Heliopolis (Egyptian Empire)
Buddhism has spread: Heliopolis
Confucianism has spread: Heliopolis
Captured Heliopolis (Ramesses II)
Heliopolis begins: Buddhist Temple (81 turns)
Louis XIV (France) and Brennus (Celtia) have signed a peace treaty
Christianity has been removed: Thebes (Celtic Empire)
Buddhism has been removed: Thebes (Celtic Empire)
Confucianism has been removed: Thebes (Celtic Empire)
Christianity has spread: Thebes
Buddhism has spread: Thebes
Confucianism has spread: Thebes
Traded for Thebes (Brennus)
Thebes begins: Buddhist Temple (20 turns)
 
kcd_swede said:
Saw your score curve and had to see what was going on. :scan:

Its impossible to keep up with teams like this where you just play in shifts.

The sun never sets on the U'nusual S'uspects.:lol:
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:)

This is looking really, really good. I'm at school now, so can't look at the save, but I'll have a gander tonight hopefully.

:goodjob: To Neil and Trystero for a great last 10 turns.

Edit: Also, given how much I hate on the RNG, I think we should give it a shout-out:

While attacking, Trebuchet 5 (Production) decimates Egyptian Longbowman (Prob Victory: 1.5%)
 
I just learned something last night, something really, really, annoying.
Spoiler :


wait for it

Spoiler :
SM obsoletes the AP hammers from monasteries



Moving on from that disappointment, we have enough gold left for 7-8 turns at 100% research.

We will be finished:
Biology in 4 turns,
Lib being finished the next turn just from the overflow.
Economics in 2 turns.
Then ?

By this time, we should be finishing Banks in our big commerce cities in preparation of moving off 100% research.

We obviously would like to get Sushi incorporated asap, but we also don't want to research things that the AI will do. I'm tempted to leave Nationalism and wait for Hammy to trade it to us.

We could do Replaceable Parts->Steam Power instead.

Hammy is willing to DoW Brennus, so in another 10 turns (it will take 8 just for the galleons to sail around to him) we can DoW Brennus and bribe Hammy in.

We will receive an extra +1 shared civic bonus by then, bringing us to +9. I will have to go digging through the save, but we are due another Open Borders +1 at some stage as well.
 
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