SGOTM 17 - Plastic Ducks

kossin · May 27, 2013

At the cost of 1 Trebuchet (who brought a CKN down to 2/6 health):

Spoiler :

Keep/raze?

We only have 2 units to garrison this turn. LK and WE.

EDIT: I have to go on an errand shortly, so I will upload after decision is reached.

I'd keep the city. Only mounted could hit it in the IBT and QSH is probably broken now with his 2 turns of Anarchy.

EDIT2: 2 in favor, good enough for me. (And Duckweed likes score

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Doshin · May 27, 2013

Keep: commerce and food are in the first ring, and it's large enough to whip a Rathaus.

EDIT: I doubt he'll attack. The AI likes to snipe units with HAs and Knights, but avoids healthy Pikes.

UnforcedError · May 27, 2013

Good stuff :goodjob:

I'd keep the city too. First ring looks fine and the forge won't be bad either.

kossin · May 27, 2013

I suggest we go for Nanjing next and pick up the hidden city on our way to Peter.

Spoiler :

http://gotm.civfanatics.net/download.php?file=Plastic_Ducks_SG017_AD1250_01.CivBeyondSwordSave

shakabrade · May 27, 2013

It's a keep. That city can contribute to our army, and can pay for itself with Rathaus.

Edit: xpost with almost everyone

Doshin · May 27, 2013

Agree with the plan. After Nanjing and the hidden city, we send the stack to Peter (we'd only need to send a few troops south if that stack loses more 95% battles :mad:

).

I'd whip some Chariots in the former Khmer cities. Better to fog-bust with these than LKs or Xbows.

Nice play as ever, kossin.

bestsss · May 27, 2013

Hariha...(blah needs name change) has to have its tiles readjusted.

kossin · May 27, 2013

Doshin said:
Agree with the plan. After Nanjing and the hidden city, we send the stack to Peter (we'd only need to send a few troops south if that stack loses more 95% battles ).

I'd whip some Chariots in the former Khmer cities. Better to fog-bust with these than LKs or Xbows.

Nice play as ever, kossin.

Splitting the north stack is an interesting idea, I think it could work. The Trebuchets are somewhat in a bad shape which makes this difficult without spending a turn to heal... not sure what is actually faster. We can re-evaluate next turn based on what we see.

Fully agree on Chariots. I might even use a worker to spawnbust while we wait for one to be produced.

bestsss said:
Hariha...(blah needs name change) has to have its tiles readjusted.

Yes, QSH is messing up our city micro -_-

EDIT: going to resume microing units and stuff...

EDIT2: ready to hit enter, will wait a few minutes in case someone shows up.

UnforcedError · May 27, 2013

kossin said:
Fully agree on Chariots. I might even use a worker to spawnbust while we wait for one to be produced.

Built one in Hari for this purpose.
EDIT: checking the save I can see it's already being used

EDIT: taking Nanjing and surprise city sounds fine.

EDIT: The English city our archer is heading towards looks coastal to me...

kossin · May 27, 2013

Not quite sure what happened here...

Spoiler :

This is the situation for the northern stack. I'm not feeling too good about splitting the stack anymore but will await team decision.

Spoiler :

Ligurian has kept the granary, but it costs 12 gpt in maintenance already.

Spoiler :

Since the barb city slightly to the south of here has popped borders, we don't get traderoutes to our homeland anymore

Big cash drain = raze as we previously discussed?

UnforcedError · May 27, 2013

I guess Toku had some units in the area...

Tons of food in Ligurian. And big enough to whip an RH and barracks. I'd still raze because it won't really pay for itself, not even with a RH without trade routes.

I wouldn't split the N stack.

kossin · May 27, 2013

Barb galleys? Or is Churchill just dumb...

Spoiler :

Stopping mid-turn to grab a bite.

Spoiler :

http://gotm.civfanatics.net/download.php?file=Plastic_Ducks_SG017_AD1260_01.CivBeyondSwordSave

UnforcedError · May 27, 2013

Why does Churchill get barb galleys? Our galleons could use that extra movement :cry:

Well, unless KCD was really mean and that ice heading west has no gap this probably suggests a passage. The galley must have spawned next to marble / banana / iron island. There might be a body of water on the edge of the map.

Looking good

I assume Stone Island will whip into a RH next turn?

I like the new city names btw

kossin · May 27, 2013

UnforcedError said:
Why does Churchill get barb galleys? Our galleons could use that extra movement

I prefer to avoid them altogether, it often seems as naval combat is rigged for the barbs

Well, unless KCD was really mean and that ice heading west has no gap this probably suggests a passage. The galley must have spawned next to marble / banana / iron island. There might be a body of water on the edge of the map.
Possibly, not sure why Peter hasn't scouted Churchill yet if this is the case since he's had Optics for a while now.

Looking good I assume Stone Island will whip into a RH next turn?
Economy is still manageable I think and we're short on boats.
Getting a stack to Peter will be done within 10 turns if we have enough boats. How long before we can hit Churchill? Need more boats for really swift movement.

I like the new city names btw
The first one was mostly your idea, I claim the second one though

We might have to arrange a meeting between Toku and Peter (another city gift to Toku) for OB shenanigans.

EDIT: really not sure we should grab Nanjing anymore. The sooner we hit Peter the better.
I suggest we grab the hidden city and then hit Peter right away. The south stack can split a few units together with reinforcements to grab Nanjing later.

EDIT2: The port to Peter will be open on T139, I see no reason to delay further the stack to attack him.

Duckweed · May 27, 2013

I'm more convinced that England is sealed. With tiles still available NW of Warwick, the move now is to teleport of a small stack to capture Warwick before they are unavailable. I'd send a small stack with some workers to go through Satsuma to get this job done as soon as possible. This will give us the full flexibility to control the war pace in our hand without delaying on killing Toku.

Edit: A couple of workers should be sent to road the three tile north of Satsuma so that the stack could reach the teleport spot fast.

Edit2: Looks like that we are short quite a few galleons. I'd rather slow down on QSH northern part and start to draw the troops to kill Peter.

Doshin · May 27, 2013

kossin said:
Not quite sure what happened here...

Spoiler :

Post #1764 shows a Toku Archer 1N of Shanghai. I'm not sure other troops Toku had in the area.

kossin said:
This is the situation for the northern stack. I'm not feeling too good about splitting the stack anymore but will await team decision.

Spoiler :

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean that you're reluctant to move towards Nanjing this turn?

kossin · May 27, 2013

Duckweed said:
I'm more convinced that England is sealed. With tiles still available NW of Warwick, the move now is to teleport of a small stack to capture Warwick before they are unavailable. I'd send a small stack with some workers to go through Satsuma to get this job done as soon as possible. This will give us the full flexibility to control the war pace in our hand without delaying on killing Toku.

Edit: A couple of workers should be sent to road the three tile north of Satsuma so that the stack could reach the teleport spot fast.

I'm tempted to make another gift city to Tokugawa near the northern pigs so that we can teleport faster to Churchill. Needs testing!!

It seals up more tiles and we can probably teleport from a closer tile than 1S of the whale.

Spoiler :

Doshin said:
Post #1764 shows a Toku Archer 1N of Shanghai. I'm not sure other troops Toku had in the area.

Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean that you're reluctant to move towards Nanjing this turn?

No, I mean I don't want to separate the northern stack in 2 smaller ones.

I'm thinking about adding the missing turn of road, and then killing the Mace with XBow. Then we grab the hidden city and go straight for the boats to hit Churchill/Peter.

UnforcedError · May 27, 2013

kossin said:
EDIT: really not sure we should grab Nanjing anymore. The sooner we hit Peter the better.
I suggest we grab the hidden city and then hit Peter right away. The south stack can split a few units together with reinforcements to grab Nanjing later.

EDIT2: The port to Peter will be open on T139, I see no reason to delay further the stack to attack him.

The southern stack should be able to handle the rest without too many problems. I agree on starting the war with Peter asap.
Some workers on fort duty can be shipped over to Toku afterwards to road the teleport circle.

EDIT: right. Peter has had Optics for a while now. :sad:

Also agree on introducing Toku and Peter to each other. Would really make things easier

At least we could finish off QSH fast.

Duckweed · May 27, 2013

kossin said:
I'm tempted to make another gift city to Tokugawa near the northern pigs so that we can teleport faster to Churchill. Needs testing!!

It seals up more tiles and we can probably teleport from a closer tile than 1S of the whale.

Spoiler :

Won't be much different as 3 tiles north only means 1 turn while starting to ship troops earlier would be more meaningful.

We could use 3 galleons to ship those units around the former barbarian city to do the work.

kossin · May 27, 2013

Teleporting to Churchill, pt. II

Spoiler :

If we don't settle the last canal city, then the warrior position also appears to work.

Duckweed said:
Won't be much different as 3 tiles north only means 1 turn while starting to ship troops earlier would be more meaningful.

We could use 3 galleons to ship those units around the former barbarian city to do the work.

It's 1t (4 tiles) faster and we are already producing another settler.

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