[Deity] Stairway to Heaven #3: Hatshepsut of Egypt (Pangaea)

pomthom · Jan 2, 2014

Funny how getting tons of troops out in just a few turns changes everything...

Just 11 turns later and my position vs Darius is really stronger. Will report tomorrow :mischief:

I'm still very worried about Gandhi who seems to be 2-turning every tech... (I might have to :nuke:

his a$$ drewisfat-style)

pomthom · Jan 3, 2014

Played 11 turns: from 700 AD to 920 AD (turn 156)

Grand strategy:

(i) Lib Nationalism now
(ii) Get many more troops out and continue pushing Darius until capitulation?

Here's how it went:

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So here's our situation:

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Mesdames et Messieurs, what do you think?

kossin · Jan 3, 2014

Looks nicer now. Imagine if you had done that earlier

I think it's pretty clear you should think to catch up in technology. (Easiest way is espionage as you've yourself identified... remember you can trade what you steal

Do spread Hinduism in TROJAN before doing any more missions)
You've also correctly noted happiness issues.

Now, what civic can help you gear the empire in the right direction? And no, the difference in gpt at 0% slider is not very large.

And don't be afraid of Gandhi, he's just advanced technologically but he still falls very fast vs. humans even with some tech disadvantage. Plus it seems he's again going culture so it won't be too problematic.

What are your workers doing? Have you thought about long-term economy ? Cottage based? Food based? Hammer based? Whichever it is, why are they not pre-improving tiles?

pomthom · Jan 4, 2014

kossin said:
Now, what civic can help you gear the empire in the right direction? And no, the difference in gpt at 0% slider is not very large.

I'm not sure. Once the war is over, my idea here is to tech via 2 means: Espionage and GP.

So next step is spam CHs, AP missionaries and temples under Slavery + OR, then switch to Nationhood + Caste + Merc + Pacifism.

If my soon to be 15 cities all have a CH, I will be generating (2 :espionage:

from CH + 4 :espionage:

from free Merc Spy) * 1.25 from Nationhood * 15 cities + 5 :espionage:

from Palace = 117.5 passive :espionage:

each turn. And Caste/Pacifism GPs to bulb.

Later State Property if I go Hammer long-term economy?

kossin said:
What are your workers doing? Have you thought about long-term economy ? Cottage based? Food based? Hammer based? Whichever it is, why are they not pre-improving tiles?

This is a great question, and I was meaning to send you a PM about end game tile improvements... so perfect timing

My workers aren't doing anything because I have not thought about long-term economy and I don't know what to do with them.... Aside from some exceptions my only cottages are in Cap (Ectabana is heavily cottaged as well but they are not riverside and not matured...). So I'd say mostly hammer-based, with SP WS and WMs...? :dunno:

pomthom · Jan 8, 2014

Played 13 turns: from 920 AD to 1090 AD (turn 169)

Grand strategy:

(i) Kill Darius until satisfied
(ii) Get back in the tech game, find a way to calm Gandhi
(iii) Win (UN or military)

Here's how it went:

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So here's our situation:

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Mesdames et Messieurs, what do you think?

Seraiel · Jan 8, 2014

I'd have probably taken the techs but not the capitulation.

For you to be able to remain trading with your friends, Darius must also be friendly, that's usually not easy, especially with him having Free Religion as a favourite Civic, maybe you can keep him away from Liberalism and managae still.

Also: You now cannot draft in his cities because they all got his culture.

So I'd have probably taken the techs + a peacetreaty and simply killed him a little later.

Other than that, well played! :goodjob:

pomthom · Jan 8, 2014

Seraiel said:
I'd have probably taken the techs but not the capitulation.

For you to be able to remain trading with your friends, Darius must also be friendly, that's usually not easy, especially with him having Free Religion as a favourite Civic, maybe you can keep him away from Liberalism and managae still.

Also: You now cannot draft in his cities because they all got his culture.

So I'd have probably taken the techs + a peacetreaty and simply killed him a little later.

Yes I pondered all that, I wasn't really convinced but I also didn't want him to vassal to someone else... :dunno:

~~As for Lib, I reached it on the same turn as Joao some 20+ turns ago~~ :hammer2:

Seraiel said:
Other than that, well played!

Cheers!

Seraiel · Jan 8, 2014

You havn't understood, why Darius, your vassal, shouldn't get Lib from you.

pomthom · Jan 8, 2014

Seraiel said:
You havn't understood, why Darius, your vassal, shouldn't get Lib from you.

Ahhh yes for favorite civic lol

Indeed

kossin · Jan 8, 2014

Besides what was already said by Seraiel...

Gandhi spending EP against you isn't the end of the world because you'll still get a TON of discounts. Just make sure that a Security Bureau isn't built (Democracy) before doing espionage missions.

Gandhi's capital is close to your land so stopping his culture attempt will not be so difficult once you have troops.

Is Mercantilism a good choice? How much commerce were you getting out of traderoutes prior?

You can probably take on Gandhi with Infantry+Canons/Artillery relatively easy given your current army and large city count. Although you could just turn on the west first to get stacks going - Domination is a good learning exercise.

Maybe look into building some National Wonders? You have Marble so fail gold is an option.

I don't think you can lose the game from this position. :thumbsup:

pomthom · Jan 8, 2014

I only did a very approximate estimation for Merc VS Decentralization but it was close at worst so no big loss. I'll soon get Economics and make a proper estimation.

Yes I was thinking of building the NE and farming some fail gold on the HE (less urgent).

If I go for Dom I prefer attacking the toughest opponent first unless I'm way behind or if it's more interesting to keep him alive, it prevents him from running away even further.

kossin said:
I don't think you can lose the game from this position.

Not that I want to prove you wrong... :lol:

pomthom · Jan 9, 2014

I'll probably play tonight. My objective is to get to the point where I can make an assumption on the end date... victory date? :mischief:

Will this be my first Deity win??

pomthom · Jan 10, 2014

Played 19 turns: from 1090 AD to 1280 AD (turn 188)

Updated grand strategy:

(i) Recover from war with Darius (build necessary infra in conquered cities, cool off whip anger)
(ii) Go full Espionage economy until Assembly Line
(iii) Get started on a transition to a hammer-economy (prepare improvements for State Property, steal techs until Communism/Assembly Line)
(iv) Conquer Gandhi (Artillery/Infantry or Nukes/Cavalry)
(v) Win UN (probably gift to Alex)

Here's how it went:

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So here's our situation:

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Mesdames et Messieurs, what do you think?

Sun Tzu Wu · Jan 10, 2014

If Gandhi hasn't founded Mining Inc, stealing Steel and Railroad and founding Mining Inc in a shrine city may be a good option for the Great Engineer. This city should also have market, grocer, bank and even wallstreet when possible.

A Great Spy infiltration would be 3000E normal speed (it is scaled to game speed - probably 2000E, 3000E, 4500E, 9000E). Scotland Yard in the city with the highest base espionage might be a better option, assuming that the game will last long enough for a net gain and the espionage slider is used; even with no slider and maximum espionage buildings and spy specialists might justify constructing Scotland Yard.

Sun Tzu Wu

pomthom · Jan 10, 2014

Hmm OK I think I'll just infiltrate the dude then. 3K EP will give me instantaneous Assembly Line, and I don't expect the game to last more than 30 turns from now so it seems like best option. I had already gone the State Property route so I think Mining was off the table anyway.

pomthom · Jan 13, 2014

pomthom said:
I don't expect the game to last more than 30 turns from now

Well it turned out it was not far from that but it didn't really go as I had planned...

Will I finally be victorious on Deity??? :undecide:

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Played the final xx turns: from 1280 AD to xxxx AD (turn xxx)

Updated grand strategy:

(i) Steal Assembly Line and build Factories/CPs "everywhere"
(ii) Steal/self-tech requirements for Artillery
(iii) Conquer Gandhi
(iv) Build UN. Win. Champagne, drugs and rock&roll. :xmascheers:

Sounds real' easy don't it? :mischief:

Well it wasn't :cry:

It's the final countdown :culture:

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(to be continued in next post)

Izuul · Jan 13, 2014

Infantry and Artillery can actually take out an AI with Marines and Tanks. I don't know what kind of stack Gandhi had at the time though.

pomthom · Jan 13, 2014

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(see next post for final comments)

pomthom · Jan 13, 2014

Izuul said:
Infantry and Artillery can actually take out an AI with Marines and Tanks. I don't know what kind of stack Gandhi had at the time though.

Indeed, but you need massive numbers. And with Gandhi pushing for culture it felt really risky. Not to mention that he also had Bombers so that would mean also going for Rocketry and use more production to get out SAM dudes...

pomthom · Jan 13, 2014

(final comments for this round)

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:king:

A Deity win. Finally

First of all a big thanks to all that have followed this thread, it wasn't always easy to keep it up so it probably wasn't always easy to follow :lol:

Special thanks to these dudes and dudettes :thumbsup:

Sorry for my possible stubbornness and/or idiocy and/or wtfcks, I hope I wasn't too annoying.

I've learned a lot, I feel like no Deity AI could beat me now... LOL

What a load of rubbish, I'm still a bloody noob and so I announce there will soon be a STH#4

Suggestions?? It won't be Pangaea, that's a given.

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