Deity Cookbook restitution #1

Hello,

As last SGOTM is finished and most of the challange games are submitted, it is finally the time to start discussed some weeks ago Deity Cookbook.

Our first leader is....


Settings


And the start area - quite a few options of settling and though 1 is more tempting than others




RULES

1) At the beginning of each game, savegame is submitted. It is always the game with no edits, so can be hard, can be easy... you never know.
Normal speed, NHNE are used and one of the standard mapscripts

Savegames are submitted using unmodded Civ4 BtS, but you are strongly encouraged to use a BUG mod or similar installed into CustomAssets folder.
If you never used - se the subforum http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=268

2) The game is divided into sets of turns, everyone can play a set and can join the game any set he wants. Initial sets are about 50 turns long, midgame sets are shorter

3) There is a deadline when saves can be submitted. Then we have few days of voting to select the one save, from each player should continue. All participating players should vote, but also visitors have certain amount of votes. Also see spoilers below for voting rules

4) All players continue from wining save.
There is also one exception: player can continue also with his own savegame or even both. But you can always submit only ONE savegame, the one you think looks better. Then comes another voting and so on....

5) Timeframes:
playing sets - SUNDAY - WENDESDAY (UTC +0)
FRIDAY - SAT - voting and discussion
THURSDAY - you can still submitt or start voting It is generally discusion when you have more chances to advertise your save dame as there will be more savegames with which you can compare your efforts.
SUNDAY - the votes will be counted and a winner savegame chosen


Spoilers
PLAYING A SET


VOTING

Current status: PLAYING THE 2ND SET
turns 51-100 (till 350 BC)
deadline for submits SUN DEC 7th
Link for the save game http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=13573158&postcount=20


Previous sets:

Last edit: Dec 3rd

Deadline for turns 1-50 - wendesday Nov 26th

Some more time, just to have it enough to clarify rules if needed

Pangaea again.

Cuir rush transitioning to Cav + Airship (optional).

Pangaea is usually about Libbing Military Tradition as early as possible, pre-building HAs and upgrading them with trade mission or tech trading gold.

I really don't like Pangaea.:/

Much more could be learned, if that's the goal, on Continents or Fractal with multiple landmasses, especially with one or two runaway AIs. Every segment of the game would have its challenges.
Less trade routes, less early resource trades, less GPT, more space to expand can actually make people think about the rate of the expansion in the early game, maybe a war, mid game is usually a Lib attempt, circumnavigation, meeting the rest of the herd, killing some more AIs, late game is about killing a potential runaway AIs, and it is not too easy. There is also a lot of logistics, tactics and strategy involved.

I know that is way harder than Pangaea but cookbook is like a SGOTM in a way and maybe people could do better than in the normal game.

But this the first game so maybe something easy to hook people up is ok.


I don't think 50 turns is enough to compare the openings and no wonders for those who'd go that way would be built. Wonder oriented games could also lose the wonder to the AI and we wouldn't know yet. 100 turns is the time by which you can tell where the game is going and how well you did. The absolute minimum would be 80 turns for the initial turn set.

I am looking forward to reading about the games.

GL HF GLH!

Continents can be very tricky as well as Fractal. As it is rather learning deity than deity competition, choosing Pangea as 1st mapscript seems the best option to me, though I prefer medium/small with low sea level

Dear enKage,
can you guide me to a HowTo for loading your save game? I have the usual BUG/BULL mod BtS version and it doesn't allow to load the save. I understand that the 'lock assets' is certainly needed for HoF, but here...?

Adding comments or screenies later, have to run

@ enKage

I'm having difficulty loading the save also. I have BUG/BULL in CustomAssets. If I manually switch the .dll file from BULL .dll back to original .dll the save will load, but it doesn't load as a BUGmod save. It only loads as a regular BTS save when I switch .dll's.

Did you create the save using BUG?...or unmodded BTS? Maybe an initial save using BUG mod with custom assets locked would work?

Locked modified assets by mistake. Sorry will create another game. I firgot it breaks transfering savegames when ysing bug

I thought Locked modified assets was on purpose so no one can enter world builder and find the best spot to settle or otherwise use world builder.

Packers5280 said:

I thought Locked modified assets was on purpose so no one can enter world builder and find the best spot to settle or otherwise use world builder.

Click to expand...

This is not a competition, there is nothing to win except fun, I believe people will not do it. My fault was that the save was creates while I had active BUG's modified Custom Assets instead of clear one.

Edited first post with a new start created on clear BtS
This is the 2nd map roll, first was seafood start in the jungle, definitely not playable :]

I feel very sorry for Flippy who put some effort to play previos start, I hope he joins again with a new start.

The same settings.

Normally I play K-Mod on Immortal, but this looks interesting enough.

Please put details in spoiler tags until there is stilll time for other players to take a set

Edit: lol, this is for the wrong map

Thanks for starting up a deity version. I've never won on deity so ready to learn!

As you offered for us to play through more than once I'm submitting one save but two recaps.

first try:
4000bc war moved onto gold settler moved 1E to plains hill
3960 found paris start research on AH
I want to pasture the cows and since I have agre already and can start on this immediately I can find out if a HA rush is in the cards
3480 worker starts on farm
3440 research AH start on mining to BW for chop/whip, I see no horses anywhere
3400 barb warior appears to south if he comes my way game is over as my warrior build (started after worker) is 6 turns away and my other warrior is off scouting to the north
3280 finish farm build road. I would head straight to cows but I only lose 1 turn by building the road since I'm already here
3160 thankfully warrior is built and I start on a second one since barbs clearly an issue
2960 pasture done worker starts on gold mine
2920 2 barb warriors attack on same turn but my warriors defending on a hill and a forest both win
2880 first barb archer appears and of course I have found zero horses
2720 my warrior (not fortified) on a forest survives against a barb archer
2600 barb archer kills 2 warriors on the same forest in 2 consecutive turns
2560 same barb finally dies against 3rd warrior but elsewhere barb archer kills my warrior on a forested hill
2520 (I think) finish researching BW and find copper which I need to hook up ASAP, start on writing
2280 found orleans to SW next to stone and cows
2240 copper connected paris starts on Axemen
2160 barb archer kills first warrior protecting orleans without taking any damage, this is very bad
2120 archer kills 2nd warrior and razes orleans. other barb archer destroys pasture next to paris.
game is lost.

Great example of how on deity 1 early choice can sink your game. Not having horses anywhere in the area killed me. I'm open for opinions but I would say the same risk exists for going mining-BW right away. If you don't find copper close it would be game over.



So I restarted not going for AH first. Settled Orleans in same place.

4000bc war moved onto gold settler moved 1E to plains hill
3960 found paris start research mining then to BW for chop.whip
3480 worker starts on farm
3280 farm done build road on corn
3200 only warrior dies while standing in forest from a single barb warrior
example of why I would not have barbs on for an educational game, my other game I won the first 3 barb fights
3000 discover BW, start on pottery then writing
2200 founded orleans near stone and cows to the SW
2000 bc

2 cities 4 population
1 settler
1 worker 2 axe 2 warriors
key techs: writing, BW, AH, Pot
current plan: build axes and target khumer (probably) for axe rush at the moment he has no copper
need to decide where to settle next city (settler in capital right now)
maybe to the south to claim horses or else to the NE to block babylon though no food (but forests to chop)

Played the new one (nps on cancelling the old, that map was not kind for peoples who are not playing deity normally anyways )

Well here i teched mining first, then AH (river ph gold > cows if i already have corn improved first). Then BW (not sure what i would have done without copper, horsies in a bad place). Pottery, writing and now masonry.

After some thinking cos Pyras 150% chops are nice if only for fail gold should you lose the wonder. 3rd city on stone planned (can be put somewhere else thou, if you prefer), it's no great spot and Sury will get those cows most likely. But there are 1 floodplains and some green tiles, could be worse.

Worker 2 chops there so i get that forest for Paris, and then can build a road 1w.
I already chopped for the granaries, 3rd worker and so.

Orleans worked the gold mine for granary hammers (and got 1 chop as well), when Paris had copper as 3rd good tile. No great food resis around made me pick that 2nd city location for shared tiles.

AIs helped fog busting, so i only have 1 Axe waiting where he's needed.
Placed some warris early east and north, plains hill cities are nice for getting them faster.

Time for my set

Some comments on submitted games (use spoilers if you comment before deadline

Thought I’d play a quick set, as I have very little experience on Standard/Normal/Deity.

Tech path was Mining->AH->BW->Pottery->Writing and now Masonry in 3 turns. Sent out quite a few warriors early to spawn bust and never built an axe (though it would probably be prudent to at least prebuild one in my capital or second city that can be emergency whipped if needed). The south and east are currently spawn proof thanks to some roaming AI units and the remaining fogged tiles will be unfogged with the border expansion in Paris in two turns.

Second city was settled to share the cows. It will probably get some culture pressure from Sury who built Stonehenge. Could try to build the Mids there. Third city was settled on stone this turn.

Should have space for at least 7 decent cities, maybe more. There’s a barb city near the western cows. Might be able to snag it.

Gandhi seems to be at war with some distant AI. He wouldn’t be plotting so early, would he?



Empire overview and tentative dotmap:


Paris:


Orleans:


Lyons: