CiV DOS: THE SPACE RACE CONQUEST (Version 2)

GoldBerg · Mar 4, 2005

. . . • • • FOR CiViLiZATiON <<< - CiV1 - >>> DOS GAME ONLY • • •

THE SPACE RACE CONQUEST (Version 2.01) (minor instructional update: 2014)

Your Civilization just has ONE MiSSiON:
Send A Space Ship To ALPHA CENTAURi
- as fast as possible !

important >>>
leave at least the babylonian OR the french civilization alive -
do Not WiN the game by "CONQUERiNG the WORLD"!

additional instructional information to win the contest
is here - PLEASE read --->
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2600608&postcount=2

the contest is 'open end'
i will update the
SCORE TABLE | Hall Of Fame
the Number One in the SCORE TABLE / hall of fame
will be that CFF member who lands his SS on Alpha Centauri
earlier than anybody else.
if more contestants' Space Ships
reach "ALPHA CENTAURI" that same (earliest) year
the SCORE and Percentage will make the difference - of course...

Code:

RANK  Civ.DOS.1.Fanatic - Centauri Date - SCORE /  %     -    DATE

 01   kirilov                2040 BC        258 /   5%     December  9, 2005
 02   carniflex              1980 BC        205 /   4%      October  4, 2005 
 03   kirilov                1920 BC        260 /   5%        April  6, 2005
 04   carniflex              1700 BC        673 /  13%        March 13, 2005
 05   goldberg               1420 BC        271 /   5%        April 10, 2005

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=3431497#post3431497
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=3145260#post3145260
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2678356#post2678356
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2620597#post2620597
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2686815#post2686815

INSTRUCTIONS
we (just) take
this as
START situation:
3860 BC
EARTH map
CHiEFTAiN LEVEL
no techs, no units, one city each civilization

iMPORTANT:
Your Space Ship is already build 'in orbit' and ready to fly,
you just have to build

1.
The Apollo Wonder

AND

2. an Additional HABiTATiON MODULE

to LAUNCH it -
this is in need to cause the game a flight time of
a minimum of 20 years (...a little more... 20,2 years or so)
SEE >>> http://www.civfanatics.com/gallery/files/3/4/8/4/3/SpaceRaceContest-Ship.jpg
because the turns of the game before 1 AD are 20 years.
EVERY FLiGHT-TiME LOWER
THAN "20 YEARS" WiLL CAUSE PROBLEMS
SCORiNG YOUR GAME (in THiS competition) .

Build that MODULE first
and
LAUNCH the S.S.
AND
save your game after that (= BEFORE "next turn")
and it's all good...

The Tribes

RUSSIANS (YOU) - chief PETER (Moscow)
BABYLONiANS - chief HAMMURABi (Babylon)
FRENCH - chief NAPOLEON (Paris)

RUSSiA did destroy ZULUS and GERMANS already.
Berlin and Zimbabwe don't exist anymore.

Russian's (YOU) MOSCOW
is located north between the 2 rivers on a good square.

French's Paris
is located in India.

Babylon City
is located near Victoria Lake Area in Africa.

Code:

....... .. . ... ........ . .. ... ..... ........ ....... .. .. . ........... . ..... ...... . ......... ... ... ............. .... . ..... . .. ...................... . ..... .......... .... ... . .......................... .......... . . .. . ....... ......................... ... .......... .... ...... ........................... . ....... ......... . ... ............................. .. ....... ... ..... .. . .............................. . ................. . . .....*Moscow.......... ......... .......... ..... . .. ................................... .......... ... . .....+Berlin (DESTROYED) ............... ............. ....................................... .. ............ .............. .. ................... . ............ .... .. ... .. ................... .. .. .......... ... .. ...... ................... . . .... . . .......................... . . ... . ..... ........................... ... ........ .. ............................ ... . .. .................. ...................... .... .. ............... ... .................. .. ............... ...... .....*Paris... . . ................ ...... ..... ..... .. .. .... ................. .... ... .... .. ....... .................. .. .. .... .. ........ ................... . .. .. . ......... ................... . . ........... .... .............. ... .. ............. ........*Babylon ... ...... . ............. ............ .. . .. ... ............ ........ .. . .. .......... ......... .. . .......... ......... . .. ........ ........ ....... ....... ......... ....... ...... .......... . ........... ...... ........ . ............ ..... ....... . ............ ... .....+Zimbabwe (DESTROYED) ............ .. ...... . ............ .. ..... ... ...... . .... .....

the first lines
of the replay.txt of all contestants
will show the following:

Code:

4000 BC: Zulus found the city of Zimbabwe
4000 BC: Germans found the city of Berlin
3920 BC: RUSSIANS FOUND THE CITY OF MOSCOW
3880 BC: Zimbabwe destroyed
3880 BC: Zulu civilization destroyed by Russians
3880 BC: Berlin destroyed
3880 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER POTTERY
3880 BC: German civilization destroyed by Russians
3880 BC: French found the city of Paris
3860 BC: Babylonians found the city of Babylon

Russians, French and Babylonians start with

50 GOLD
NO TECHNOLOGiES (no 'pottery' - i did delete this with an editor - so you have to invent it)
ONE CiTY (with Palace, like just founded)
NO UNiTS

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.
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START GAME FILES CiV1 DOS - THE SPACE RACE CONQUEST

(copy both files into your civ folder
and
select ' load a saved game ' at civ1 DOS)

:egypt:

" Chief Peter of the Russians at 3860 BC "

GoldBerg · Mar 4, 2005

1. SAVE your GAME at that POiNT of the game where you did LAUNCH your spaceship already
and the game -did- confirm that your Spaceship is LAUNCHED (black screen).

2. Build city improvements with your spare money to improve your civilization's score before you LAUNCH your ship

3. Set your LUXURY to 100% 1 turn before you SAVE your GAME
to get a better score!

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.

How i will SCORE the results on 'problem savegames':

1. i take your CiV DOS savegames.
2. i access the file at that point -
access the turn left to do - LAND your spaceship on Alpha Centauri -
after that
i 'retire the game' to read out the YEAR / SCORE / PERCENTAGE you did hit.

3. i cause the replay txt with civ.exe 474.01 shift-56
to post the replay.txt as CODE here.

Spoiler :

(OLD & GONE)
3. then i access the file again at that point and use an editor
to *kill* the french and/or babylonians
to cause the game for the replay and replay.txt
next turn.
(...after 'erasing' the civilization(s) left
the next turn starts like this:
'french / babylonians are destroyed by barbarians.
you did conquer the world')
4. i attach the modified savegames here that everybody can access that savegames
- animation
- replay.txt
- powergraph

...after that
i write the results into the SCORE TABLE.

some people may fake/cheat/rewrite every log file,
every gamefile -

but
AFTER Your SpaceShip ... ... ALPHA CENTAURi
(or as well regular end on end-date, conquering the world and so on)
there is a replay.txt logfile 'given' by the game itself
that show/proof what's exactly 'going on' in the game
(incl.
the 'moving maps animation'
and the 'powergraph')

-the original savegames' powergraph is a good indicator if somebody did cheat-
further you can't -for example- buy cities secretly
(after using a money cheat)
because these actions are visible in the replay.txt game log

you may create and analyse your opponents 'replay.txt'-gamelog yourself when you access their savegame on your machine -
another important point there is the TECH TREE - so we may see if somebody did cheat technologies, so better don't try...

play clean. :king:

expected cheats some lines later...

(Show) REPLAY and 'write replay.txt' is available when you did win the game by spacerace
(what's easy to do in this game)
at the same position where RETiRE is located
so everyone here can cause the CiV.1.DOS game to create this
- replay.txt game log(s)
- powergraph(s)
- moving maps animation(s)
himself/herself.

...by the way:
the simplicity of that
"Russian", "3860 BC", "3 Civilizations" at "Chieftain Level" on "Earth"
based game
avoid the most 'benefits' of the Shift-56 cheat
and many other known cheats that are worthless in this case...

Shift-56 (sometimes shift 1 to 8) cheat,
' only available in v1.0 = 474.01 '
was the player-test mode for the Microprose game testers.
Refresh the map after pressing Shift 1-8 (by moving the cursor or pressing t twice)
and you will see the map of the whole world.
You can click on the cities of other players and unfortify their troops and sell their city improvements

F7 shows the development profile of each civilization, all their advances, and if they already have a vendetta against you.

F8 shows the powergraph and allows you to see a replay up to that point.

F9 shows numbers representing the attack points, defense points,
and 3 of the cities the computer uses to calculate battle, on each continent (along with giving the size of each continent in land squares).

F10 shows a complete world map.

The other function keys sometimes do their normal functions,
but they mess up the display a lot of the time.
Just a word of warning.

USE THESE CHEATS

' SAVEGAME CHEAT ' (save a game at critical phase or everytime, load the save game again
and try any action again and again until the result satisfies you -
for example the hut change to a city,
you win the fight against an opponent ...and so on...)

The Save Game Cheat
Apart from the obvious reasons for saving regularly. It is well known that the computer cheats when it comes to World Wonders. They appear to be awarded randomly to any city the computer likes. If one gets awarded, it is possible to go back to your last save, and the chances are that it won't be awarded again for a while.

Another use for the save option is when you are having problems attacking your enemies because of an uncooperative senate.

* 1. Have a revolution
* 2. Attack whoever you wish
* 3. Save the game
* 4. Reload it
* 5. You will be prompted for the type of government you require

Click to expand...
' WATERBRiDGE CHEAT ' (use a ship and up to 2 settlers to build railroad tracks on water -> additional trade/science/happy points on water squares)

The Settler/Railroad at Sea Cheat
Have a settler in a ship.
Command the ship to "U"nload.
Command the settler to "R"oad.
Click on the ship. (I'm assuming you have a mouse)
Click on the settler's icon in the pop-up, "waking up" the settler
Press some key or click elsewhere to clear the pop-up (I press "R")
Go back to the step of commanding the settler to "R"oad.
Once the settler completes a phase (road or rail) the ship underneath
it must move once, to make it willing to start again.
I find it best to use *two* settlers; for each sea square one builds
the road, the other builds the rail; then move the ship. With two ships
and a ship movement cheat (q.v.) there is no theoretical limit to how
much of the ocean can be railroaded in a single turn
---Bob O'Bob

Click to expand...
' SETTLER CHEAT ' (start any 'settler action' over & over again until (for example)
the road is build, the hills change to mines, the jungle change to grassland, the grassland is irrigated in one turn)

The Settler Cheat
Most settler functions take from 2 to 12 turns to accomplish. Any of them can be accomplished in one turn by putting the settler a square, pressing R or M or I or whatever, clicking on the settler to make it blink again (which seemingly aborts the function) and pressing R again. Keep repeating this process until the road or irrigation is finished. If you turn on the End-of-Turn feature, this helps you perform the desired function in one turn. Otherwise you could just keep some nearby piece blinking so that the turn doesn't end before you've milked the cheat for all it's worth. Irrigating swamp takes 10 or 11 turns so this cheat is real handy.

Click to expand...

the reason(s) to name these cheats is
that those cheats are not visible (just waterbridging, of course

)
you just might guess that some contestants/opponents did use the savegame cheat or settler cheat, but that's all...
so
you have to savegame cheat, settler-one-turn cheat , maybe waterbridge...
Period. :king:

GoldBerg · Mar 4, 2005

HiNTS by CFC Users
(not urgently important for this conquest)

Zwelgje said:
... ... when you want to launch the spaceship really early, only discover what needs to be discovered for this: don't research horsebackriding or recycling etc.
... ... Build lots of caravans to get the wonders you need: science and happy wonders.
... ...

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=1470044&postcount=48

carniflex said:
... ...
Principles:
1. Build as much cities as geography makes it easy to
2. Enlarge your cities with "we love president".
3. Dont discover sciences (fix science rate=0%) unless all your cities had nothing profitable to build. Make money and buy improvements.
4. Build the improvements in all your cities in the same turn so as to be able to modifiy tax/lux/science rates with maximum effectiveness. ex: cathedrals in all cities + MC in the same turn so as to reduce lux rate.
5. Accumulate gold before building science improvements. Build them and fix science rate=100% in the same turn [or 80-90% if you need luxuries])
6. Build all happiness improvements and wonders when needed so as so lower luxuries to the minimum
7. Note that if you build many cities, wonders who apply to all cities are VERY profitable (HG, Oracle, MC, BACH, NEWTON, SETI, HOOVER, CFC)
8. Conquer your continent as quickly as possible or find an isthm easy to defend. Then, you'll be able to reduce military expenses.
9. Build caravans so as to build the wonder the turn after the science needed discovered
10. Never discover communism. People are ... ... content and productive in the reign of religion and M's Chapel

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2083272&postcount=61

additional instructional information
(To use for your Civ1 civDOS gameplay -
in this conquest HERE the S.S. is already build)

carniflex said:
Discover spaceflight, plastics, robotics, and build Apollo Wonder.

For spaceship to launch, you must build at least:

3 modules (1 habitation, 1 support, 1 solar panel)
More habitation modules makes better score!

2 components (1 fuel, 1 propulsion)
More components reduces flight time and increase prob of success.

~15 structurals
Structurals are needed to "link" the modules and components to make them work.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2085415&postcount=64

carniflex · Mar 13, 2005

civil2.txt = civil2.map
civil2.sav = civil2.sve

Notes about that savegame:

Savegame just after i launched. Press enter to end the game.

As the flight time is 20.0 years, the SS effectively lands and the replay is displayed.

There are some strangenesses, which i think are due to the Goldberg's 3860BC savegame (that i used, of course):
- the SS was partially built when i built my first SS structural. (I completed it so as to get a flight time of 20.0 years)
- there is a small discordance between the year in the game and the replay years. Also, the civ quizz and the autosave were in 3060BC and 2060BC (instead of 3000 & 2000BC).

GoldBerg · Mar 13, 2005

carniflex

in the year 1700 BC.
score: 673
percentage: 13%

here is the replay.txt

Code:

................................................................................ . .. . . . . .. . . . . . . . . ....... .. . ... ........ . .. ... ..... ........ ....... .. .. . ........... . ..... ...... . ......... ... ... ............. .... . ..... . .. ...................... . ..... .......... .... ... . ......................*Okhotsk .......... . . .. . ....... ......................... ... .......... .... ...... ........................... . ....... ......... . ... ............................. .. ....... ... ..... .. . ..........*Sverdlovsk......... . ................. . . .....*Moscow.......... ....*Khabarovsk .......... ..... . .. ....*Kaliningrad...*Novo*Irkutsk... .......... ... . .....+Berlin.......................... ............. ....................................... .. ............ ...*Genoa..... *Carnigrad............ . ............ .... .. ... .. .....*Baikonour.... *Pyongyang .......... ... .. *Byzantium................ . . .... . . .......................... . . ... . ..... ..*Ctesiphon............... ... ........ .. .........................*Wuhan ... . .. .................. .....*Mohenjo Daro.... .... .. ............... ... .........*Benares. .. ............... ...... .....+Paris... . . ................ ...... ..... ..... .. .. .... ................. .... ... .... .. ....... .................. .. .. .... .. ........ ................... . .. .. . ......... ................... . . ........... .... .............. ... .. ............. ........*Babylon ... ...... . ............. .*Sumer..... .. . .. ... ............ ........ .. . .. .......... ......... .. . .......... ......... . .. ........ ....*Uruk ....... ....... ......... ....... ...... .......... . ........... ...... ........ . ............ ..... ....... . ............ ... .....+Zimbabwe ............ .. ...... . ............ .. ..... ... ...... . .... ..... . . .. . . . . .. . . . . . . . .. . .. ................................................................................ 4000 BC: Zulus found the city of Zimbabwe 4000 BC: Germans found the city of Berlin 3920 BC: RUSSIANS FOUND THE CITY OF MOSCOW 3880 BC: Zimbabwe destroyed 3880 BC: Zulu civilization destroyed by Russians 3880 BC: Berlin destroyed 3880 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER POTTERY 3880 BC: German civilization destroyed by Russians 3880 BC: French found the city of Paris 3860 BC: Babylonians found the city of Babylon 3780 BC: RUSSIANS PRODUCE FIRST MILITIA 3760 BC: Barbarians form Despotism 3680 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER HORSEBACK RIDING 3660 BC: RUSSIANS PRODUCE FIRST CAVALRY 3640 BC: RUSSIANS FOUND THE CITY OF CARNIGRAD 3640 BC: RUSSIANS FOUND THE CITY OF GENOA 3620 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER ALPHABET 3600 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER CODE OF LAWS 3560 BC: RUSSIANS FOUND THE CITY OF BYZANTIUM 3560 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER WRITING 3560 BC: Babylonians discover Bronze Working 3520 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER CEREMONIAL BURIAL 3500 BC: Russians make peace with French 3500 BC: Babylonians produce first Phalanx 3480 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER MONARCHY 3480 BC: Russians declare war on French 3480 BC: Paris destroyed 3480 BC: French civilization destroyed by Russians 3460 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER LITERACY 3440 BC: RUSSIANS FORM MONARCHY 3400 BC: RUSSIANS PRODUCE FIRST DIPLOMAT 3400 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER MASONRY 3400 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER MYSTICISM 3400 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER THE REPUBLIC 3360 BC: RUSSIANS FOUND THE CITY OF PYONGYANG 3360 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER CURRENCY 3340 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER CONSTRUCTION 3320 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER PHILOSOPHY 3280 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER DEMOCRACY 3280 BC: RUSSIANS FORM DEMOCRATIC 3260 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER IRON WORKING 3260 BC: RUSSIANS FOUND THE CITY OF OKHOTSK 3220 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER BRIDGE BUILDING 3140 BC: RUSSIANS PRODUCE FIRST SETTLERS 3100 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER TRADE 3000 BC: RUSSIANS: 6 CITIES; 720,000 POPULATION *** 1:Russians 2:Babylonians 3000 BC: RUSSIANS FOUND THE CITY OF CTESIPHON 2980 BC: RUSSIANS FOUND THE CITY OF SVERDLOVSK 2960 BC: RUSSIANS FOUND THE CITY OF KALININGRAD 2960 BC: Russians make peace with Babylonians 2880 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER RELIGION 2860 BC: RUSSIANS FOUND THE CITY OF NOVOSSIBIRSK 2780 BC: Babylonians found the city of Sumer 2760 BC: RUSSIANS FOUND THE CITY OF KHABAROVSK 2760 BC: RUSSIANS FOUND THE CITY OF MOHENJO DARO 2740 BC: RUSSIANS FOUND THE CITY OF IRKUTSK 2740 BC: RUSSIANS FOUND THE CITY OF WUHAN 2600 BC: RUSSIANS FOUND THE CITY OF BENARES 2520 BC: RUSSIANS PRODUCE FIRST CARAVAN 2420 BC: RUSSIANS BUILD J.S.BACH'S CATHEDRAL 2400 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER BANKING 2380 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER MATHEMATICS 2020 BC: RUSSIANS BUILD MICHELANGELO'S CHAPEL 2000 BC: RUSSIANS: 15 CITIES; 15,750,000 POPULATION *** 1:Russians 2:Babylonians 1880 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER UNIVERSITY 1840 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER ASTRONOMY 1820 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER THEORY OF GRAVITY 1800 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER THE WHEEL 1800 BC: RUSSIANS BUILD ISAAC NEWTON'S COLLEGE 1780 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER MAPMAKING 1780 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER ENGINEERING 1780 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER NAVIGATION 1780 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER INVENTION 1760 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER PHYSICS 1760 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER STEAM ENGINE 1760 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER RAILROAD 1760 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER GUNPOWDER 1760 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER MAGNETISM 1740 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER METALLURGY 1740 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER ELECTRICITY 1740 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER ELECTRONICS 1740 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER COMPUTERS 1720 BC: RUSSIANS BUILD SETI PROGRAM 1720 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER INDUSTRIALIZATION 1720 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER MEDICINE 1720 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER CHEMISTRY 1720 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER EXPLOSIVES 1720 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER THE CORPORATION 1700 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER REFINING 1700 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER COMBUSTION 1700 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER FLIGHT 1700 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER ADVANCED FLIGHT 1700 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER ROCKETRY 1700 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER SPACE FLIGHT 1700 BC: Babylonians found the city of Uruk 1680 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER PLASTICS 1680 BC: RUSSIANS BUILD HOOVER DAM 1680 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER ROBOTICS 1680 BC: RUSSIANS BUILD APOLLO PROGRAM 1680 BC: RUSSIANS FOUND THE CITY OF BAIKONOUR

carniflex said:
There are some strangenesses, which i think are due to the Goldberg's 3860BC savegame (that i used, of course):
- the SS was partially built when i built my first SS structural. (I completed it so as to get a flight time of 20.0 years)

yes.

i did build the "RUSSiAN SpaceShip" before (cheat mode)
to look what will happen when it starts and lands
to be sure about the savegame results
- this is kind of status quo for all players,
so it won't 'hurt' in the conquest.

carniflex said:
there is a small discordance between the year in the game and the replay years. Also, the civ quizz and the autosave were in 3060BC and 2060BC (instead of 3000 & 2000BC).

yes.

it's part of a time cheat to test this possibility too.
the game 'remembers' every time cheat internal
so it's impossible to cheat the game by setting an earlier time in the game after playing the game for a while.

EDiT:
SCORE TABLE / "Hall Of fame" entry done.

Dack · Mar 15, 2005

carniflex,
A couple questions

1)How did you manage to get multiple advances in a single turn?

1780 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER MAPMAKING
1780 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER ENGINEERING
1780 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER NAVIGATION
1780 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER INVENTION
1760 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER PHYSICS
1760 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER STEAM ENGINE
1760 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER RAILROAD
1760 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER GUNPOWDER
1760 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER MAGNETISM
1740 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER METALLURGY
1740 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER ELECTRICITY
1740 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER ELECTRONICS
1740 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER COMPUTERS

2) How about some more detail I see you have the options set for AutoSave. So you must have the 3000BC & 2000BC save files.
In fact I'm sure we would all like to see save files ever 10 moves or so. As it only took 117 moves it's only 10 save files.

GoldBerg · Mar 18, 2005

sorry for the delay -
i just found time today...

% = what should be done
@ = STATUS QUO
§ = questions / comments

Code:

3860 BC: "START" 
@...game is set to 100% 'Money'
%...set game to 100% science (?) 
@...game is set to research ALPHABET
@...moscow is set to produce SETTLERS
@...moscow is at size "1" for the next 3 turns

3780 BC: RUSSIANS PRODUCE FIRST MILITIA 
&#167;...question:
&#167;...if you would stop production of settlers for militia
%...you could produce your first militia in 3840 
%...to go earlier the already visible hut
%...where "Berlin" 'once' was...
%...and find genoa-hut earlier beside?

3680 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER HORSEBACK RIDING (!)
&#167;...how is this possible / what did happen?

i presume
carniflex 'found' HORSEBACK RIDING with the militia unit
in the hut (located on WOODS terrain)
near the place of the destroyed "Berlin"...?

but -
if moscow did grow to size of 2
(no settlers were build?)
alphabet might be invented much earlier;
money at 100% makes no sense in this stage of the game.

so i presume
that carniflex DiD build the settler first to found the city of carnigrad with it?

carniflex · Mar 18, 2005

Dack said:
carniflex,
A couple questions

1)How did you manage to get multiple advances in a single turn?

1780 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER MAPMAKING
1780 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER ENGINEERING
1780 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER NAVIGATION
1780 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER INVENTION
1760 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER PHYSICS
1760 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER STEAM ENGINE
1760 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER RAILROAD
1760 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER GUNPOWDER
1760 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER MAGNETISM
1740 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER METALLURGY
1740 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER ELECTRICITY
1740 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER ELECTRONICS
1740 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER COMPUTERS

15 cities size 19
+ democracy
+ 15 libraries
+ 15 universities
+ ISSAC NEWTON (increases the benefit libs + unis, according to civilopaedia)
+ 100% science (no lux needed because of chieftain level + temple + cathedral + MC chapel + coloseum + BACH in all cities + no tax needed because some taxes were stored before having set the science rate at 100%)

+ SETI PROGRAM (after COMPUTERS)

Just load the 1780bc save and press enter.
You will find the saves at the end of this post.

Dack said:
2) How about some more detail I see you have the options set for AutoSave. So you must have the 3000BC & 2000BC save files.
In fact I'm sure we would all like to see save files ever 10 moves or so. As it only took 117 moves it's only 10 save files.

The AutoSave made saves in 3060BC and 2060BC.
You will find all the saves i have at the end of this post.

Goldberg said:
3860 BC: "START"
3780 BC: RUSSIANS PRODUCE FIRST MILITIA

Your dates are not regular:
1. 3780BC (first militia built) in the replay == 3840BC when i was playing the game
there is a discordance of 60 years.
i think this explains the autosave were in 3060BC and 2060BC

examples:
event game year replay year
beginning of the game 3860BC 3800BC
first militia built (*) 3840BC 3780BC
Space flight discovered 1760BC 1700BC
Appolo was built 1740BC 1680BC
The SS was built and launched 1720BC
The SS landed 1700BC

(*) there was yet more than 10 shields accumulated in Moscow in Golberg's 3860BC savegame. I changed the prod from settler to militia.

Goldberg said:
§...if you would stop production of settlers for militia
%...you could produce your first militia in 3870

3870?
I changed production for militia in 3860BC (3800RY), and it was built in 3840BC (3780RY)

Goldberg said:
3680 BC: RUSSIANS DISCOVER HORSEBACK RIDING (!)

Right. I found it in a hut.

Goldberg said:
"i presume that carniflex DiD build the settler first to found the city of carnigrad or genova with those settlers?"

Wrong. Moreover, i meant genoa (ligurie), not genova.

the saves:
1760bc = civil0
1740bc = civil1
1720bc = civil2
1780bc = civil3
3060bc = civil4
2060bc = civil5

carniflex · Mar 18, 2005

the saves (part II)

carniflex · Mar 18, 2005

the saves (part III)

it doesnt work.
the civil2 (the last save) is however available some posts before.

note:
you have to rename the saves for them to work
for example:
civil0map.sav = civil0.map
civil0sve.sav = civil0.sve

GoldBerg · Mar 19, 2005

carniflex said:
... ...
Your dates are not regular:
1. 3780BC (first militia built) in the replay == 3840BC when i was playing the game
there is a discordance of 60 years.
i think this explains the autosave were in 3060BC and 2060BC
... ...

yes - thx for the hint - i think so too -
so i take what the game 'says'
to compare --->
alpha centauri: year 1700
and the score and percentage at that point (finish the game after SS at AC to get SCORE at civilization screen and percentage at hall of fame).
.
.
.

the whole confusion of messed up dates (f.e. in the replay.txt it's time string)
is sadly caused by the possibility
that some people won't get a replay.txt / replay animation
after starting and landing their SS successfully.

SO PLEASE READ --->
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2600608&postcount=2

i found a way to get it work for those people
but it's in need
to
Save The Game DiRECTLY after launching the Space Ship (SAME TURN)!

GoldBerg · Mar 19, 2005

carniflex said:
15 cities size 19
+ democracy
+ 15 libraries
+ 15 universities
+ ISSAC NEWTON (increases the benefit libs + unis, according to civilopaedia)
+ 100% science (no lux needed because of chieftain level + temple + cathedral + MC chapel + coloseum + BACH in all cities + no tax needed because some taxes were stored before having set the science rate at 100%)

+ SETI PROGRAM (after COMPUTERS)

damn.

how did you manage to get 15 libs and 15 universities at this point of time?

you will need up to ~7-8 marketplaces (or more?) to maintain that for some moves at 100% money
and
after that some moves at 100% science.

carniflex said:
3870?
I changed production for militia in 3860BC (3800RY), and it was built in 3840BC (3780RY)

sorry - my fault i did mean 3840.
i did mess up my 'head-internal time-table'.
ACBC is a tricky thing.

carniflex said:
... ...
i meant genoa (ligurie), not genova.

...even my eyes are not at their best anymore.

...of course i know italy's genoa.

by the way we might get some problems in understanding each other next -
when other competitors are -of course- using their names for the cities at the same locations... :rolleyes:

keep that in mind, folks.

carniflex · Mar 19, 2005

GoldBerg said:
how did you manage to get 15 libs and 15 universities at this point of time?

There is a button "buy" just to the left of the button "change".

GoldBerg said:
you will need up to ~7-8 marketplaces (or more?) to maintain that for some moves at 100% money

I built my first library after having built (for centuries

) my 15th bank.

GoldBerg · Mar 20, 2005

carniflex said:
... ...
I built my first library after having built (for centuries ) my 15th bank. ...

good hint.
i always thought that this might not be possible to get those things all together
(sometimes i get lost in the game)
but
it's more like
*build temples to grow up cities
and
*sell (~15) temples when (~15) banks
and
j.s.bach cath. are buildt?

just guessing 'for the direction'...

next point:
(i mean) you don't get 15 cities in 10 turns -
in this contest game you get ~ 12 cities by the huts in the game
on EURO - ASiAN continent
all other huts are placed on wood (= science, units, money or barbarians)
(african cities make no real sense in the SS contest in this case)

those ~12 cities are -when 'collected' by savegame cheat (mostly)-
in different stages
moscow may be at "4"
up to 3 cities at ~"3"
the rest at sizes "1" or "2"

do you start with 50%-70% LUXURY
when the first 2, 3 or 5 cities are at "3" population
to grow them up soon as possible?

i see that all this is possible
but there's always a problem to get EiTHER the science OR the money OR the cities growth....

carniflex · Mar 20, 2005

GoldBerg said:
i always thought that this might not be possible to get those things alltogether

I dont understand this statement.
what are the "things" you are speaking about ?

GoldBerg said:
*sell (~15) temples

sell these temples that make 2 contents for only 1 tax ? Are you communist ?

GoldBerg said:
in this contest game you get ~ 12 cities by the huts in the game

Wrong.
I got only 5 cities by the huts. The 5 first. (Good old cavalries !) Moscow was already built. The 9 others were built with settlers after.
Note: you can see in the 3060BC save i'm building many settlers.

GoldBerg said:
do you start with 50%-70% LUXURY
when the first 2, 3 or 5 cities are at "3" population
to grow them up soon as possible?

Yes.

When the first 4 cities had 3 citizen.
Note: you can see in the 3060BC save that 50% lux (or so) is set.

GoldBerg said:
but there's always a problem to get EiTHER the science OR the money OR the cities growth....

Think again...

GoldBerg · Mar 20, 2005

carniflex said:
... ...
what are the "things" you are speaking about ?

i type about getting temples, marketplaces, banks, libraries, universities, all that wonders
grown in 10 or more cities before ~1000 BC.
i tried often
but i never did get that 'work' -
under the preference to use savegame cheat and settler cheat.

well - in this (special) game
it's SURE possible before 1 AD
but
this is (just) a special prepared savegame
to get things compared
not the usual situation in a usual
- PRiNCE level (or higher)
- "strange planet"
- 7 tribes
game
(although i love to play earth from time to time -
it's in my view the better looking map
compared to ~98% of random generated ones by game...)

carniflex said:
... ...sell these temples that make 2 contents for only 1 tax ? Are you communist ?

no, no 'commee' -
and if, would you 'care'?
i don't think so.
PLEASE:
keep that kind of sarcasm where it (maybe) belongs (in your world).
at least we just discuss here something like
a 'perfect scientific / economic CiV.1.DOS game'
and nothing else.
i hope this is in your interest too.

i just did figure out a possible question of gameplay
(CiV.1.DOS is far away to be a 'perfect simulation' of economics & politics, we know)
sell temples to get money and save money-to-spend.
otherwise "we" (guess who's "we") may build courthouses, colosseums as well - but why
if the whole thing may work without them at CHiEFTAiN level?
.
.
.
.
by the way:

it seems that contest here
seem to discourage the forum members.

maybe some other contestants
should've tried with their 1 AD SS at AC
and would've discussed here their results before.

if the first contestant (carniflex)
just starts the contest with a 1700 BC result
it seems to be like a GAME OVER for the others here.
:sad:

well - i'll try next when i get the SS at AC before 1 AD
to show up that that's not 'a shame' -
maybe other forum members will follow...

kirilov · Mar 21, 2005

I can´t rename the civil#.txt. Can anybody help me please?

carniflex · Mar 21, 2005

kirilov said:
I can´t rename the civil#.txt. Can anybody help me please?

1. one left click on the file
2. wait 1 second
3. another left click on the name of the file
4. type the new name
5. enter

Goldberg said:
sell temples to get money and save money-to-spend.
otherwise "we" (guess who's "we") may build courthouses, colosseums as well - but why
if the whole thing may work without them at CHiEFTAiN level?

I think you're wrong.
In my opinion,
1. Size 19 is efficient (because one city with 19 citizens and one market is more efficient than 19 cities with one citizen and 19 markets, because of the cost of the markets)
2. With cities with 19 citizens, temples, cathedrals and colosseums are efficient even at chieftain level. Moreover, such improvements are better than luxuries (even coloseum): coloseum is 3 contents for 4 tax. 3 contents would cost 6 luxuries (not 4).
You can see in my 1700BC savegame that i have cities with 19 citizen without luxuries.
6 native-contents (chieftain level) + 2 (temple) + 3 (cathedral) + 3 (MC) + 2 (BACH) + 3 (coloseum) = 19 content citizens.

PS: Sorry for the "game over" :blush:

GoldBerg · Mar 22, 2005

carniflex said:
... ...
1. Size 19 is efficient (because one city with 19 citizens and one market is more efficient than 19 cities with one citizen and 19 markets, because of the cost of the markets)

clearly.

carniflex said:
2. With cities with 19 citizens, temples, cathedrals and colosseums are efficient even at chieftain level. Moreover, such improvements are better than luxuries (even coloseum): coloseum is 3 contents for 4 tax. 3 contents would cost 6 luxuries (not 4).
You can see in my 1700BC savegame that i have cities with 19 citizen without luxuries.
6 native-contents (chieftain level) + 2 (temple) + 3 (cathedral) + 3 (MC) + 2 (BACH) + 3 (coloseum) = 19 content citizens.

at least the whole game is about
the most economic 'points'
turn-by-turn
where to change
to city growth (50% -> 100% LUX)
or
to force SCiENCE (100%)
or
to gain MONEY (100%)
as you wrote here ('PRiNCiPLES') --->
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=2600636&postcount=3

but in the start phase most people (including myself) will maybe make mistakes like
buy marketplaces, banks 'to early'...?
(i type this because i think
that a start-combination of libraries / marketplaces maybe will cause better results...?)

but
it's sure in need
to develop marketplace (bronze, currency)
and library / libraries (alphabet, writing)
and bank ( alphabet, code of laws, literacy, republic, trade) 'techs'
first
to generate the money for universities, colosseums and cathedrals
and help to finish the wonders newton, michelangelo and j.s.bach (if caravans and production-in-city will take too much time) earlier?

additional
there's 'the problem' to 'wait' until cities grow to the size of "3"
until every city who need settler(s) will 'get' / be able to maintain that settler(s)
to generate ROADS (trade, money, science, happy) and irrigation
and
have that fast population growth
together with " WE LOVE..." under REPUBLiC/DEMOCRATiC gov
and
not to lose population ("3" back to "2")
while producing SETTLERS -
additional this only makes sense when at minimum 3 cities have the chance to grow some turns
(step 1
maybe until "10",
after that buy AQUEDUCTS)

that's very tricky; 'fine-tuning-the-game' part...
.
.
.

carniflex said:
... ... PS: Sorry for the "game over"

we can't change that now - other contestants (incl. myself) have to deal with it.
maybe nobody will get a better result now?
bad luck, nothing else.

carniflex · Mar 22, 2005

GoldBerg said:
change to city growth (50% -> 100% LUX)

I never set 100% lux (excepting 1700bc for the score),
it is:
either 30-50%, during I love president periods.
or 0%, else.
No lux is ever lost just to maintain order. (Temples etc. do for a lower cost)

GoldBerg said:
in the start phase most people (including myself) will maybe make mistakes like
buy marketplaces, banks 'to early'...?

I built them (i think) in that order:
marketplaces
bach
temples
banks
MC
cathedrals
aqueducts
colosea
libraries
Newton
universities

GoldBerg said:
generate the money for [...] help to finish the wonders newton, michelangelo and j.s.bach (if caravans and production-in-city will take too much time) earlier?

Buying shields for wonders or military cost TWICE buying shields for improvements. I never buy wonders.
I plan the construction of the caravans so that they reach the city (that will build a wonder) the turn after the science needed for the wonder is discovered.
For example, I built caravans for Newton centuries before Theory of Gravity was discovered.

GoldBerg said:
in between there's 'the problem' to 'wait' until every city who need settler(s) will 'get' / be able to maintain that settler

You have not to wait for that.
Cant you imagine a solidarity between cities ?
A settler can be built by a city, maintained by another, and can work to improve a third city.

GoldBerg said:
[...] to generate ROADS (trade, money, science, happy) and irrigation grow to size of "3" to
have that population explosition

I think many cities may quickly get 3 citizen without irrigation and without settler.
Then grow to 4 with lux.
Then build settler.
Then grow to 4 with lux.
Then build settler.
etc.

One key is to anihilate the "food cost" of the city growth valuing the settler thanks to the luxuries.
Another is not to reduce the time needed to grow to 3 because of the food maintaining cost of a settler built too early.

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