The Sound of Drums - A British Hearts of Iron II AAR

am I correct in thinking Burma has oilfields as in reality?

If so, sigapore and Malaya should be heavily garrisoned so no unfriendly force cant take them, I fear the oil would be a tempting target for any aggresive power in the region, likewise, Singapore garrison is very small, perhaps we can persuade Australia or NZ to send a division or 2 over, after all, Singapore is key to there security in keeping the Indian Ocean free of unfriendly shipping.

It is easier to hold this colonies than to have to fight to retake the, th jungle is great defensive ground

With regars to the fourth fleet, may I suggest a very strong carrier contingent, intelligence suggests that Japanese Imperial Navy have quite a force of them and while in Europe we can hope for landbased air cover some of the time are chances of that in the far east are very low, paticuarly so if the fleet ever ventures into the Pacific ocean.
 
So I'm First Lord of the Admiralty now? I assume the position comes with full teaboy whipping privileges? :D

It's the same position, just different title.

Everyone above the rank of, I dunno, say teaboy, get's full teaboy whipping privileges.

I fell asleep while you all were talking nonsence.

I don't want to relocate london in India...... so I guess the nonsence should concern france...

:lol: Point taken. Back to Europe!

am I correct in thinking Burma has oilfields as in reality?

You actually got me very worried with this suggestion, that I loaded up the game and checked. North Burma has some oilfields, but in general our own oil sources are spread across the globe - colonies in South America, Indonesia, Egypt etc are our own source of oil, and we trade for the rest.

At any rate, our oil reserve is at 125K. I think we'll be fine for the war. Supplies and money remain our only resources I keep an active eye on.


With regars to the fourth fleet, may I suggest a very strong carrier contingent, intelligence suggests that Japanese Imperial Navy have quite a force of them and while in Europe we can hope for landbased air cover some of the time are chances of that in the far east are very low, paticuarly so if the fleet ever ventures into the Pacific ocean.

Darth Pugwash and Admiral Cleric have already secured the Royal Navy a carrier-based future. The Fourth Fleet will have our most advanced designs when it is constructed.
 
The Sound of Drums - A British Hearts of Iron AAR
Part Twenty-Three


30th October - 1st December 1939
A Month of War


That Germany could cross the Channel was not unexpected. That it could actually threaten the British air and navy was. Now all effort went into learning about this new German fighter - it was the Messerschmitt Bf 109, and it was the equal to the Supermarine Spitfire.

There was only one option - action on the continent. Fuelled by Raisin Bran MP, who was demanding more of a focus on France, as well as the completion of the No.3 British Fighter Wing, it was decided to give the BEF some more support from above. These three new Spitfire squadrons, as well as the 1st Tactical Group made their way to Lille to join the Strategic Bomber Command Wing. Recently beaten in combat, its commander Sheep21 was delighted to finally receive some proper support at last.

The BEF themselves were not ignored on the ground either, as Australian Forces arrived to strengthen the first line. They themselves were not deployed alone, as the first British Motorised Division was activated in Amiens. It was the first BEF reserve unit, able to quickly move to any front-line position that may fall under threat.

Yet Hitler seemed to be ignoring the possibility to attack while Allied forces were still technically mobilising. The dangers of attacking during the winter months were apparently enough to deter a German offensive. That was no excuse for the Soviet Union.

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Announcement from the Soviet Ministry of Information, 17th November 1939

Comrades!

Our great nation has fallen under the long-feared attack by our enemies in Finland! Long have they conspired with our enemies in Britain and France, looking greedily towards the riches of our glorious city of Leningrad. Without warning or declaration, they have struck at the village of Mainila, slaughtering its noble defenders with no mercy.

Comrades of the Fatherland, they have signed their own death warrant! Swiftly we shall strike back at the invader…


[Speech continues for several pages]
Map and selected quotes from the Ministry of Information at the onset of the ‘Winter War’


In Britain, Prime Minister Kan’ Sharuminar quickly denounced the Soviet-Finnish War, believing it to be a work of Russian aggression. All trade dealings with the Soviet Union were officially cancelled, and in a gesture similar to what had been offered to Nationalist China, it was stated that all Finnish trade offers would be taken seriously, if not outright accepted. He was not the only national leader who supported Finland’s role, with most worldwide opinion decidedly against the Soviet invasion. However it was only Sweden who took something of an active role in its protests, actually sending aid and even volunteer forces to assist neighbouring Finland.

As the Finnish and Russian forces actively clashed in the region of Joensuu, it was little wonder that foreign press were observing that the ‘war’ between Germany and the Allies was not achieving much in the way of actual fighting. Already the term ‘Phoney War’ was beginning to enter familiar use in Britain - her own forces were still being moved to France or being readied for a potential intervention in Norway. As far as the Cabinet were concerned such a pause was welcome, it was up to France or Germany to commence the land war.

But that was not to say the RAF couldn’t use some action! Now established in their lent bases in Lille, the Spitfire squadrons began a series of incursions into Germany in the last week of November. British Air Command had been spooked by surprise Luftwaffe attacks on Royal Navy ships in the North Sea, and were keen to see the Messerschmitt threat contained in Germany.

Frustratingly the initial raid proved of little worth, with German forces unwilling to meet the British planes in battle. They needed more of an incentive for battle than simply seeing enemy fighters patrolling overhead - that incentive became the French. Between the 28th and 30th of November, French bombers protected by British fighters attacked the industrial regions of Essen. On their final run they were finally intercepted by the BF 109’s, allowing for a proper comparison of the opposing fighters.

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Airbattle over Essen

It became clear from the start that the German Messerschmitts were the more solid craft, easily absorbing or outright repelling attacks from Spitfire pilots. The initial engagement saw a horrific slaughter of the British aircraft - losses that would force a retreat from any other airforce.

The RAF were not just any other airforce. The Dowding-Portal Fighter Doctrine had forced into British pilots a sense of determination and skill that their German opposition simply lacked. Suddenly German losses were mounting under a determined counter-offensive in the skies, with the British easily scattering and picking off the Messerschmitt planes. It was a lack of fuel and ammunition that forced the battle to come to a stalemate, but it was unlikely that any German pilot present would admit he would have had the courage to continue the battle, if given the option. The No.3 British Fighter Wing on the other hand, returned to Lille feeling triumphant, though with far less planes than that they had set out with…
 
is it possible to upgrade the armaments of the spitfire from the vickers machine gun to some sort of cannon, the heavier firepower would even the odds with the Luftwaffe?

Disturbin news from Finland, this Finish incursion is obviously a Soviet ruse, anything we can do to aid the fins without further jepordising Anglo Soviet Relations, a Soviet Union in control of Finland would be very dangerous, especially the dominance it would gain in the Baltic.

The news of the future configuration of the Fourth Fleet is pleasing, there will be a Battleship contingent aswell? Perhaps over time 2-3 King George V BB's (29knts) could be added to it, as the tempo in Europe dictates, till then maybe some of the Queen Elisabeth class (24Knts) be used, the Far East theatre demands fast escorts and I feel these are the only two classes that would not impede the speed of this new fleet too badly, what with the new Carriers having a design speed of 30knts.

As said before, the tempo of the European theatre will have to dictate what units we can send to the Far East :)
 
the Finnish are obviously the aggressors, send aid to the poor soviets!
 
the Finnish are obviously the aggressors, send aid to the poor soviets!


true, it does appear that way at first glance, but we are all familiar with Soviet propaganda and attempts to spread there "disease" across the world these past 20 years. Perhaps a public condemnation of the finnish incursion and leave it at that. That way the soviet union is not unduly agravated and the finns feel we are not weighing in to support the USSR.
 
What is our plan as regards to future diplomatic dealings with the Soviet Union? A potential ally against Germany or a potential foe?

And it would be wise to keep an eye on Finland, should they seek closer relations with Germany then our support will be for nothing.
 
Soviets...............

They already stabbed the Poles in the back, there is no way winterland attacked the motherland! this was staged by the russians.

But too bad for them ... for now but we should keep whatever ressource we have to ourselfs.

This smells bad...
 
is it possible to upgrade the armaments of the spitfire from the vickers machine gun to some sort of cannon, the heavier firepower would even the odds with the Luftwaffe?

Supermarine continue to assure us that the Spitfire fleet will begin upgrades before 1939 is complete.

As an aside, Hawker Aircraft are finalising designs on a new Hurricane type, something under the name of Project Typhoon.

Disturbin news from Finland, this Finish incursion is obviously a Soviet ruse, anything we can do to aid the fins without further jepordising Anglo Soviet Relations, a Soviet Union in control of Finland would be very dangerous, especially the dominance it would gain in the Baltic.

Oh of course it's a ruse. Can't trust the Reds worth a damn anymore, not that we really could before. Finland will recieve whatever supplies they need that doesn't damage our own war effort. I doubt we could spare any sort of war equipment though, certainly no troops.

The news of the future configuration of the Fourth Fleet is pleasing, there will be a Battleship contingent aswell? Perhaps over time 2-3 King George V BB's (29knts) could be added to it, as the tempo in Europe dictates, till then maybe some of the Queen Elisabeth class (24Knts) be used, the Far East theatre demands fast escorts and I feel these are the only two classes that would not impede the speed of this new fleet too badly, what with the new Carriers having a design speed of 30knts.

Battleships are becoming second-place in the modern Royal Navy, but I guarantee there will be at least one King George V vessel in the proposed Fourth Fleet. We'll need to take a closer look at the Japanese fleets in 1940 to get a better idea of what would work against them.

What is our plan as regards to future diplomatic dealings with the Soviet Union? A potential ally against Germany or a potential foe?

We've cut off all trade relations and condemned the Soviet actions. I think it would be best to consider them a potential foe, but not one we shall have to fight. I can't really see any deals or agreements between Hitler and Stalin lasting very long...
 
We've cut off all trade relations and condemned the Soviet actions. I think it would be best to consider them a potential foe, but not one we shall have to fight. I can't really see any deals or agreements between Hitler and Stalin lasting very long...
Ah ok, that is a logical way to look at the situation!
 
with regards to the fourth fleet,I fully understand where you are coming from, however the Battleship is not quite done for yet I feel. If we could have roughly 2 BB minimum would be useful, if onyl to act as a distraction to enemy BB's and as a large platform for massed small calibre anti-aircraft batteries.
 
How long until we can start on the Lancaster?
 
with regards to the fourth fleet,I fully understand where you are coming from, however the Battleship is not quite done for yet I feel. If we could have roughly 2 BB minimum would be useful, if onyl to act as a distraction to enemy BB's and as a large platform for massed small calibre anti-aircraft batteries.

Actually, after thinking about it, it's rather silly to be creating a Fourth Fleet when the First is already deployed at Singapore. We have the Grand and First Armada's to represent the Atlantic and the Mediterranean respectively, the Far East should have its own one.

So yes, there would be at least two BB's in such a fleet.

How long until we can start on the Lancaster?

Not until at least 1942. Next in line for the Bombers is the Handley Page Halifax, which we'll begin work on in 1940.
 
Just as Lurker.
How strong is the army? Is it Possible to go on to other areas? Is the Empire still intact? Can we try to blitzkreig some german outpost so you learn how to counter it and prevent it?
 
It varies from place to place. For example, I have a good feeling we will be able to launch (and sustain) and offensive in North Africa against Italy, but it's going to be difficult to withstand a German attack in France.

On the other hand, I am confident we can protect Norway against the Germans, but I'm not entirely sure how we would protect Greece, should they be attacked by the Italians.
 
Greece has some nice fortifications in the north. Perhaps if we sent them some weaponry, they may be able to at least delay any Italian advance, or maybe even withstand it all together, while we work on a plan for defending them.
 
We could only trade technology with Greece if we were in an alliance with them, which can't happen at the moment. Good call on the northern fortifications though - they have a good section covering any assault from Albania. I had quite forgotten.
 
Well we could always send them some excess supplies, if we are currently running a surplus on them.

12,000th post :yeah:
 
Supplies (and cash) remain our worst income, and the former is almost entirely imported in at present. If they need oil though, by heavens we have that in abundance.

Will check Greece's resources next time I load up though. If they go to war I would doubt they need anything beyond actual troop reinforcements :)
 
And the 1st Armada can prevent any landings in Southern Greece. I am confidence Greece is safe, if the Italians are being beaten in Africa, they will devote everything they can to hold onto Africa if I know Mussolini.

Plus if the Italians do join Hitler's alliance, Hitler is going to pressure Mussolini into doing something really stupid, I just dont know what yet....

Therefore I say Greece is probably the safest place to be right now in terms of the war in Europe.
 
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