Which tech do you oracle?

Akbarthegreat · Dec 17, 2011, 05:32 AM

Which techs do you oracle?

I usually take Metal Casting or Hereditary Rule, whichever I need most. But in a recent game as India I managed to take theology, just had to delay the oracle a little. And is oracling machinery/civil service worth the risk?

Lunsen · Dec 17, 2011, 05:54 AM

I usually oracle Code of Laws. This givves me those lovely courthouses, perhaps a new religion. Even better if you are an organized leader.

strijder20 · Dec 17, 2011, 06:09 AM

CoL, or when I play RFC as the Romans, Machinery.

ajsciri4 · Dec 18, 2011, 01:23 PM

Monarchy (HR) because it's easy to have your cities maintain happiness.

Marcvs Avrelivs · Dec 18, 2011, 01:39 PM

CoL usually; to handle the growing costs of your empire, courthouses are always a must

I also get metal casting whenever I think the forges may be useful early on

sydhe · Dec 18, 2011, 02:37 PM

Metal Casting, unless I get a Great Merchant first, in which case he'll bulb Metal Casting and I'll use the Oracle for Machinery.

Tlalynet · Dec 18, 2011, 03:50 PM

Machinery. That's what I just did last game. Why is Civil service on here but Machinery not?

Akbarthegreat · Dec 19, 2011, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Tlalynet

Machinery. That's what I just did last game. Why is Civil service on here but Machinery not?

Oops, I forgot

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HAND · Dec 19, 2011, 05:05 AM

Metal Casting myself, though I'll be aiming at Code of Laws if I get the Oracle next time.

Undecided · Dec 19, 2011, 05:24 AM

Depends on the difficulty.
Most of the time i just oracle CoL. Especially if i'm SPI, PHI or IND with mids.
MC is highly situational and depends on wheter i'm industrious or not and the mapscript.
I usually stay away from CS, math, HB, monarchy, IW and compass in a regular game. (= no super start, )
CS because it's to far down the techtree, the others don't have enough beakers, don't bring any major benefits to the early game or aren't difficult to trade for.
Would rather oracle aesth than alpha but both aren't the best options imo.
Machinery sounds interesting, but i've never done that.

On lower difficulties or high commerce start (or OCCs) CS is always a good choice.

obsolete · Dec 19, 2011, 05:31 AM

How come isn't fishing on the list???

twansalem · Dec 19, 2011, 07:13 AM

Theology. My insistence on founding Christianity in well over 90% of the games I play is just one of a handful of personal game play quirks that prevents me from advancing past Prince.

strijder20 · Dec 19, 2011, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by obsolete

How come isn't fishing on the list???

Wow, noob? Everyone knows fishing enables the OP and broken workboat, which allows naval exploration beyond limits at 4000 BC! It's forbidden to do so!
Real pros Oracle Priesthood.

oranje willem · Dec 19, 2011, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by strijder20

Wow, noob? Everyone knows fishing enables the OP and broken workboat, which allows naval exploration beyond limits at 4000 BC! It's forbidden to do so!
Real pros Oracle Priesthood.

I see what you did there!

Tlalynet · Dec 19, 2011, 09:24 AM

Most of the time if I can get the oracle on a higher level, I've been aiming at Theology since turn 2. Sometimes, if I happen to have marble and don't really need to rush and am playing a water heavy map and have copper and a minable happy resource I'll make a point oracle MC. Thats quite a lot of ifs, but it does happen.

If I'm not playing on a hard difficulty, I'll generally oracle something like machinery, just to speed up my overall teching.

I put a really low value on CoL unless I really need the specialist slots...

AutomatedTeller · Dec 19, 2011, 09:37 AM

I love me some civil service with oracle.

Sadly, that's not an option most of the time, so it kind of depends.

Monarchy is good when happy is scare and no helpful AI are likely to get it for you. Metal Casting is probably best after that. a GM bulb and then machinery sounds great... but it seems difficult to pull off. A philo leader after self-teching CoL and running caste merchants?

Certainly, self-researching metal casting and oracling machinery can work.

Ataxerxes · Dec 19, 2011, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by AutomatedTeller

I love me some civil service with oracle.

Sadly, that's not an option most of the time, so it kind of depends.

Monarchy is good when happy is scare and no helpful AI are likely to get it for you. Metal Casting is probably best after that. a GM bulb and then machinery sounds great... but it seems difficult to pull off. A philo leader after self-teching CoL and running caste merchants?

Certainly, self-researching metal casting and oracling machinery can work.

It is very situational, depending on level. When I'm building it I just try to figure what I can research now to get a good tech. It seems to change every game. If I can get Theology on a lower level it makes for good trade bait and gets a head start on the AP.

Monarchy I would only take in isolation. I always seem to see the AI get it quite early and they always seem eager to trade it.

obsolete · Dec 19, 2011, 04:33 PM

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Real pros Oracle Priesthood.

Kick ass! So that's how the deity guys do it!

I've been doing it in reverse all this time!!!

I've been thinking, about trying to oracle Mysticism, to you know, get a super-duper head-start on the oracle... and then I can use the priest from the oracle to bulb fishing. What do you think of that?

sydhe · Dec 19, 2011, 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AutomatedTeller

I love me some civil service with oracle.

Sadly, that's not an option most of the time, so it kind of depends.

Monarchy is good when happy is scare and no helpful AI are likely to get it for you. Metal Casting is probably best after that. a GM bulb and then machinery sounds great... but it seems difficult to pull off. A philo leader after self-teching CoL and running caste merchants?

Certainly, self-researching metal casting and oracling machinery can work.

The great merchant comes from the Great Lighthouse. I usually build the Great Wall, too, and if I have both before Oracle, then there's a chance at getting a merchant (although a great spy is also likely).

I hadn't thought of choosing a Philosophical leader and building just the Great Lighthouse and getting a guaranteed Great Merchant before I finish Oracle.

Tlalynet · Dec 19, 2011, 05:28 PM

I started a religious centric Monarch game, founded Hindi. The oracle wasn't on my radar due to no marble. Zara Yaqob was my next door neighbor and founded Buddhism. Zara is my nemesis player, he causes me headaches in every way when he lives. I'd rather have warmongers or tech whores all around than him. I wanted to get free spreads of Hindi, and his nice central location would spread Budda quick once he got trade. Obviously I had to archer\warrior rush him. Once that was done, lo and behold he had marble in his BFC, and lots of nice trees to chop with the two taken workers.

I was falling behind in tech (a couple AI where ahead of me) due to the archer rush. I went MC, traded it around for alphabet and backfill to tech parity, and then got a leg up in tech that I lever edged to be the first to currency.

Since I was still researching writing when the oracle was done MC was really the only viable option. I had gold, and a coastal captial too, so MC was very good.

Thats my monarch metal casting story

View Poll Results: Which techs do you oracle?
Metal Casting	65	49.24%
Hereditary Rule	13	9.85%
Theology	20	15.15%
Civil Service	22	16.67%
Horseback Riding	1	0.76%
Alphabet	6	4.55%
Mathematics	6	4.55%
Aesthetics	5	3.79%
Code of Laws	65	49.24%
Iron Working	3	2.27%
Compass	2	1.52%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 132. You may not vote on this poll

Dec 17, 2011, 05:32 AM	#1
Akbarthegreat Secular Atheist Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Where you are not Posts: 1,115 Images: 4	Which tech do you oracle? Which techs do you oracle? I usually take Metal Casting or Hereditary Rule, whichever I need most. But in a recent game as India I managed to take theology, just had to delay the oracle a little. And is oracling machinery/civil service worth the risk? __________________ "I contend we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen F. Roberts Proud owner of a METY Cookie of Having an Epic Idea and a Tambien Cookie of Super Ideas. Last edited by Akbarthegreat; Dec 17, 2011 at 05:38 AM.

Dec 17, 2011, 06:09 AM	#3
strijder20 Truth is a lie Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 4,057	CoL, or when I play RFC as the Romans, Machinery. __________________ 'Whatever works' (Woody Allen) A socialist marxist communist fascist and proud of it

Dec 18, 2011, 02:37 PM	#6
sydhe King of Kongs Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Norman Oklahoma Posts: 2,286	Metal Casting, unless I get a Great Merchant first, in which case he'll bulb Metal Casting and I'll use the Oracle for Machinery. __________________ "To every question there is a clear, concise, coherent answer that is wrong," attributed to Winston Churchill.

Dec 19, 2011, 05:05 AM	#9
HAND Arm chair Philosopher Join Date: May 2003 Location: School of Esoterica Posts: 520	Metal Casting myself, though I'll be aiming at Code of Laws if I get the Oracle next time. __________________ Help predict the climate ..join us, we need your processing power ClimatePrediction.net Firm believer in Negative Space and the Bell Curve Last edited by HAND; Dec 19, 2011 at 05:49 AM.

Dec 17, 2011, 05:54 AM	#2
Lunsen Chieftain Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 12	I usually oracle Code of Laws. This givves me those lovely courthouses, perhaps a new religion. Even better if you are an organized leader.

Dec 18, 2011, 01:23 PM	#4
ajsciri4 Warlord Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 156	Monarchy (HR) because it's easy to have your cities maintain happiness.

Dec 18, 2011, 01:39 PM	#5
Marcvs Avrelivs Warmongering Fool Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Over the River Styx Posts: 130	CoL usually; to handle the growing costs of your empire, courthouses are always a must I also get metal casting whenever I think the forges may be useful early on

Dec 18, 2011, 03:50 PM	#7
Tlalynet Emperor Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,046	Machinery. That's what I just did last game. Why is Civil service on here but Machinery not?

Dec 19, 2011, 05:24 AM	#10
Undecided Warlord Join Date: Oct 2011 Posts: 194	Depends on the difficulty. Most of the time i just oracle CoL. Especially if i'm SPI, PHI or IND with mids. MC is highly situational and depends on wheter i'm industrious or not and the mapscript. I usually stay away from CS, math, HB, monarchy, IW and compass in a regular game. (= no super start, ) CS because it's to far down the techtree, the others don't have enough beakers, don't bring any major benefits to the early game or aren't difficult to trade for. Would rather oracle aesth than alpha but both aren't the best options imo. Machinery sounds interesting, but i've never done that. On lower difficulties or high commerce start (or OCCs) CS is always a good choice.

Dec 19, 2011, 05:31 AM	#11
obsolete Deity Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Planet Earth Posts: 6,070	How come isn't fishing on the list??? __________________ Btw your worker management is horrible, you'd do better automating them. -- DaveMcW

Dec 19, 2011, 07:13 AM	#12
twansalem Warlord Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 257	Theology. My insistence on founding Christianity in well over 90% of the games I play is just one of a handful of personal game play quirks that prevents me from advancing past Prince.

Dec 19, 2011, 09:24 AM	#15
Tlalynet Emperor Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,046	Most of the time if I can get the oracle on a higher level, I've been aiming at Theology since turn 2. Sometimes, if I happen to have marble and don't really need to rush and am playing a water heavy map and have copper and a minable happy resource I'll make a point oracle MC. Thats quite a lot of ifs, but it does happen. If I'm not playing on a hard difficulty, I'll generally oracle something like machinery, just to speed up my overall teching. I put a really low value on CoL unless I really need the specialist slots...

Dec 19, 2011, 09:37 AM	#16
AutomatedTeller Frequent poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Medford, MA Posts: 7,477	I love me some civil service with oracle. Sadly, that's not an option most of the time, so it kind of depends. Monarchy is good when happy is scare and no helpful AI are likely to get it for you. Metal Casting is probably best after that. a GM bulb and then machinery sounds great... but it seems difficult to pull off. A philo leader after self-teching CoL and running caste merchants? Certainly, self-researching metal casting and oracling machinery can work. __________________

Dec 19, 2011, 05:28 PM	#20
Tlalynet Emperor Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,046	I started a religious centric Monarch game, founded Hindi. The oracle wasn't on my radar due to no marble. Zara Yaqob was my next door neighbor and founded Buddhism. Zara is my nemesis player, he causes me headaches in every way when he lives. I'd rather have warmongers or tech whores all around than him. I wanted to get free spreads of Hindi, and his nice central location would spread Budda quick once he got trade. Obviously I had to archer\warrior rush him. Once that was done, lo and behold he had marble in his BFC, and lots of nice trees to chop with the two taken workers. I was falling behind in tech (a couple AI where ahead of me) due to the archer rush. I went MC, traded it around for alphabet and backfill to tech parity, and then got a leg up in tech that I lever edged to be the first to currency. Since I was still researching writing when the oracle was done MC was really the only viable option. I had gold, and a coastal captial too, so MC was very good. Thats my monarch metal casting story

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