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Old Jun 29, 2012, 11:26 PM   #21
mr.ioes
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This bugs me out so much!

I mean, they definitly improved dipl AI in G&K, but left demand option untouched.

http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/93...3E4B12CB5AD3C/

I took their capital & 3 other cities and yet they refuse to give/trade me open borders because "it's not in their interest". Tell you what AI, it definitly is in your interest as I'm gonna steamroll you now, !
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Old Nov 08, 2013, 10:04 PM   #22
pntran84
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Slightly off demand, the developer of the game would rather a hard and fast rule:

AI civ can keep x gpt and have unhappy empire rather do fair trade with you for luxury. By the time you hit ideology and they are getting civil unrest, the fact that they dislike/hate you for whatever the reason, such modifier prevents them from reasoning to go into fair trade and that could restore happiness, order and growth for their empire.

Most time, and in the ideology phase where I have abundant happiness, I just let the AI civ be stubborn about unfair trade and they could be unhappy for all I care. Don't grow, and be unproductive. I'll just feed shaka/monty/whoever to start a war on you using the spare luxury that you could otherwise have.


On another uneven AI diplomacy, we can't ask them about their army at our door step. Furthermore, the AI would risk asking that question despite they having an inferior army to defend themselves should they engage in war with you and lost another city. Yes, indeed that may generate warmonger with other civs, but if you intend to build an army and take a city, it should have been acceptable penalty to be accepted. The only plus side for the AI civ is that they get one turn head start.
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Old Nov 09, 2013, 09:01 AM   #23
EK834
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You don't use "demand" for this with your friends, it's for bullying. You ask gold, gpt or a luxury (only if you had gifted one to them too) and leave your side blank, and you propose. That's how you do a proper request for help to friends.

When the AI requested help and you agreed, it tells you it will try to return the favor one day. That's not empty talk, it eventually does if you stay very friendly, if you're strong enough and do it often enough (renew the help, that is). That's the only situation in which I managed to get freebies from friendly AI: agree to their own demands a few times first, then ask fora little something too (eg: in my current game I give Hiawatha 4 gpt as help like forever, and he eventually agreed to give me 1 gpt in help. Previously he had refused the straight request, but he proposed 1 gpt (90 turns) for 30 gold.

You gain much more from their generosity in fair deals, though. It's not really worth it to make requests from friends in my experience. You give the help for the modifier it gives you with them, mostly.
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