Beneath the Jade Moon (pre-NES)

[Kraznaya]

Originally Posted by Starlife

Unfortunately, I seem to be banned again (or connections from Mibbit are closed).

They're not. Any problem would be on your end.

[Luckymoose]

Star, I won't be able to talk to you on #nes after all. Kraz banned me because he thinks working with other people is unnecessary.

[Kraznaya]

Originally Posted by Luckymoose

Star, I won't be able to talk to you on #nes after all. Kraz banned me because he thinks working with other people is unnecessary.

Yes, because

a) you couldn't flesh out a history when you had a week prior to work with Starlife on #nes
b) you've been spending that said week on CI
c) you couldn't be bothered to even make an effort to flesh out a history which could be modulated later depending on suggestions that Starlife and/or NK could make
d) you only have yourself to blame for missing the deadline which you promised to make

[Luckymoose]

Originally Posted by Kraznaya

Yes, because

a) you couldn't flesh out a history when you had a week prior to work with Starlife on #nes
b) you've been spending that said week on CI
c) you couldn't be bothered to even make an effort to flesh out a history which could be modulated later depending on suggestions that Starlife and/or NK could make
d) you only have yourself to blame for missing the deadline which you promised to make

And banning me from the one source of players of this NES is a fantastic way to actually get it done? I'm not Thlayli. Moreover, I prefer to have things done the first time, and I did work with NK and Star some. As for what I spend my time on, yeah, I do play in other NESes with deadlines that came before this one.

The last time I tried to do a history without talking to NK, he freaked out about it. I'm not doing it again.

[Kraznaya]

Originally Posted by Luckymoose

And banning me from the one source of players of this NES is a fantastic way to actually get it done? I'm not Thlayli. Moreover, I prefer to have things done the first time, and I did work with NK and Star some. As for what I spend my time on, yeah, I do play in other NESes with deadlines that came before this one.

The last time I tried to do a history without talking to NK, he freaked out about it. I'm not doing it again.

Leading you to miss this deadline. You had plenty of opportunity to get this done with NK and Starlife making multiple appearances on #nes in the past week, and you blatantly trolled both of them while failing to work on completing it or asking them questions about the settign. If you want the ban lifted, you'll have to prove you're at least putting an effort toward finishing it consider your recent behavior on the channel.

[Luckymoose]

Recent behavior? You mean like banning discussion of one NES from a channel devoted to NESing? Then trolling anyone that plays that NES? Pfft.

I have worked with Star and NK, but not enough. My entire week has been packed with a combination of RL duties and NESing deadlines. If you're going to be a child about this, without even considering that Star has agreed to give me this extension of today to finish off my proposal, then meh. Have the NES. It isn't like you're running it. This kind of behavior is off putting.

[Terrance888]

It's OK Luckymoose, Kraznaya's methods are not officially sponsored by this organisation.

[Kraznaya]

Originally Posted by Luckymoose

Recent behavior? You mean like banning discussion of one NES from a channel devoted to NESing? Then trolling anyone that plays that NES? Pfft.

this has zero to do with your participation in this nes

I have worked with Star and NK, but not enough.

trolling them in channel does not equal working with them, especially considering the body of work you've produced

My entire week has been packed with a combination of RL duties and NESing deadlines.

haha yeah that's pretty much why you've been on the channel constantly in the past week

If you're going to be a child about this, without even considering that Star has agreed to give me this extension of today to finish off my proposal, then meh. Have the NES. It isn't like you're running it. This kind of behavior is off putting.

if you're going to make a tantrum about your failure to meet deadlines, clearly you were in this game to troll the participants rather than actually interested in playing. in any case, i won't be missing you, champ

[Luckymoose]

Originally Posted by Kraznaya

this has zero to do with your participation in this nes

Then why bring up my participation in another NES when calling me out on missing the deadline?

trolling them in channel does not equal working with them, especially considering the body of work you've produced

I spoken to both of them in sidechat, nor do I consider anything I said to them as trolling. I did speak my mind about them trying to deny me a certain path, and that was corrected. The body of work produced is an outline. But, meh, I guess this is now KrazNES.

haha yeah that's pretty much why you've been on the channel constantly in the past week

Idling mostly. Babysitting near a computer.

if you're going to make a tantrum about your failure to meet deadlines, clearly you were in this game to troll the participants rather than actually interested in playing. in any case, i won't be missing you, champ

I was never in this game to troll participants. It has taken me longer than usual to get into the setting (still not fully) and even with NK and Star online, half the time I miss them, like last night.

I'm not sure what's crawled up your butt these past few days. What with the deopping of Thlayli over stuff for CNES, the banning of discussion of CI and now this. But seriously, you need to chill the hell out.

If I'm going to join a NES like this I'm not going to just throw BS at the thread. I want to develop a good history. What's the difference between posting an imperfect history yesterday, having to edit it over the next day or so, and posting a completed history less than 24 hours after the deadline? Hmmm? There isn't.

[Kraznaya]

Originally Posted by Luckymoose

Then why bring up my participation in another NES when calling me out on missing the deadline?

because your heavy participation there makes it pretty clear that your excuses for missing the deadline are bs?

I spoken to both of them in sidechat, nor do I consider anything I said to them as trolling. I did speak my mind about them trying to deny me a certain path, and that was corrected. The body of work produced is an outline. But, meh, I guess this is now KrazNES.

I was never in this game to troll participants. It has taken me longer than usual to get into the setting (still not fully) and even with NK and Star online, half the time I miss them, like last night.

it was pretty clear to everyone in the channel that your comments on the nes during the week were mostly trolls despite you trying to play the victim now

I'm not sure what's crawled up your butt these past few days. What with the deopping of Thlayli over stuff for CNES, the banning of discussion of CI and now this. But seriously, you need to chill the hell out.

you're welcome; it's always nice to know that i'm improving

If I'm going to join a NES like this I'm not going to just throw BS at the thread. I want to develop a good history. What's the difference between posting an imperfect history yesterday, having to edit it over the next day or so, and posting a completed history less than 24 hours after the deadline? Hmmm? There isn't.

it shows that you at least made an effort to play the nes?

[Luckymoose]

Originally Posted by Kraznaya

it shows that you at least made an effort to play the nes?

I have made an effort. Sadly, those efforts have been shot down by you. I will not be able to complete the proposal with any speed now. Sad. This is my first free day in a week.

[Starlife]

I hope we can relax and get along.

The point is, and this is directed to anyone who has expressed interest in this NES but has not actually done anything, I need your proposals in, or your house will not be included in the NES (you can still join as an NPC). This thread has been up for weeks, and I have a lot of writing, connecting the dots, and mapmaking to do before we begin, so by letting your interest sit and fester for weeks without doing anything, you're being inconsiderate to other players. This is first and foremost meant to be a fun collaborative exercise for all of us, but it starts becoming troublesome if I have to PM you to see if you still want in. Passive interest is not very welcome, generally speaking. I know this NES requires some reading and understanding before submitting a proposal; if you can't handle it, join one of the many join-and-plays hovering around right now.

Anyway, to Lucky's issue: Lucky, you need to take an active role. We can't communicate on #NES, which is unfortunate, but if you want to ask me questions, just PM me questions. I received your timeline, and it looks fine so far. Keep going with it, and I suppose I'll start on the other regions before doing yours. And anyway, no one is looking for a tome of historical information -- just post what you can, no matter how brief. That's why it's called a proposal, after all. I was never searching for the be-all end-all source of info for your house or anything like that. But if you can't get into the setting, and you don't want to play, no one is holding a gun to your head.

[Luckymoose]

I'd rather give a history than none at all. I don't want to sign up for something that'll just get changed into a thing I didn't agree to play. If you know what I mean.

[Starlife]

Originally Posted by Luckymoose

I'd rather give a history than none at all. I don't want to sign up for something that'll just get changed into a thing I didn't agree to play. If you know what I mean.

No, I don't really know what you mean. If you want such a thing, go off and write a short story -- don't participate in a collaborate story-writing game/exercise. They are two completely different realms of thought. You are showing how inflexible you can be by saying such a thing, and you are showing how you don't really understand how this process works.

No one said to not give a history at all. I simply said do what you can -- you can elaborate on the finer details of your history through storytelling, not before storytelling. I'm not going to write novels on each house's history, only very brief and broad-reaching bits of info and background (that will attempt to encompass every important thing each player has given to me). But I surely will not be able to include every bit of info each player has given, which is why eventually there will be a wiki, or at the very least, links to everyone's original submissions. What this will do is allow for players to elaborate on some of the specific details of past events through interaction and storytelling. For example, there is no way I can include for each house which general fought in which war and list all the battles of that war. Such lore needs to be explored in-game, and not before the NES begins.

Additionally, other players have worked with each other to form coherent and consistent histories. Actually, I think virtually every single player has worked together in this regard. I (think) Yui is right next to you, so conceivably, in the past few weeks, you could've hammered out some regional details with him.

I'm really not sure why this is so difficult. I'm not going to change the meat of your house in any way whatsoever, nor is there any way it can possibly become distant from what you originally propose (in fact, most-likely, nothing will change at all!). So the excuse of not playing what you sign up as is a cop-out, in my honest opinion -- as you know very well you will play as what you sign-up as. 1. Your ideas will most-likely not be changed, and 2. If you don't like what is bred from your ideas, then you simply don't have to play. As I said before, no one is holding a gun to your head.

[Luckymoose]

Originally Posted by Starlife

I'm not going to change the meat of your house in any way whatsoever, nor is there any way it can possibly become distant from what you originally propose (in fact, most-likely, nothing will change at all!).

That is all I wanted to hear. I've played in "collaborative story NESes" before where the mod just takes liberties to outright change the basics of what the player is wanting to play. If I propose to be indebted, I don't want to find out through the history you've written that I'm not. I'm giving a very generic timeline for you to work with. I have no idea why you're being so god damn hostile. I intend to play a specific style, no matter how the final details are founded, and I can't do that if the basic proposal is ignored and altered. Christ, this is why it's taken so long to get anything done.

Yui signed up 5 days ago. I can't have worked with him for weeks?

[Starlife]

No one ever said I was going to change what people want to play as. What would be the point of me asking for submissions?

Anyway, this issue seems solved.

[Starlife]

Just by reading Yui's post and your demands, it becomes way too easy:

Originally Posted by Yui

Mildly affluent farming peasantry until ~60 years ago, when Edane's father took out a large loan to buy some land off a debt-stricken and ancient noble house. Made their fortune, as well as a number of enemies in the region when they refused to surrender aforementioned land. Edane continued in his father's footsteps, expanding into minor trade and more significant banking enterprises. Now one of the wealthiest families, noble or not, in their region. However, Edane now possesses an old man's caution and his eldest son is without heir or wife, possibly hinting at a dimmer future for the family

So, the creator of Yui's house bought land off of an ancient, debt-stricken house. Gee, I wonder which house that could be...?

That wasn't so difficult.

[Luckymoose]

Without working with anyone, I've thrown together this proposal. Don't blame me if it isn't to your liking. It isn't like I have an instant way to discuss any of it. Also, fvck everyone.

~~~


House Name: Anlan
Sigil / Words: A broken red crown on a field of grey / The crown remains
Lord: Casald Anlan (age 55)
Family: Meila Anlan (age 44, wife), Dain Anlan (age 23, son), Gali Anlan (age 17, daughter), Corliana Anlan (age 14, daughter), Randurn Anlan (age 12, son), Tasson Gribon (age 11, adopted son from House Gribon)


Holdings:

The Crown – an ancient fortress built along the side of a mountain, encompassing the fabled gold mines of House Anlan in many towered walls. Slave labor built the castle, which now stands as the largest defensive structure in the north. It is the seat of Lord Casald.

Mirrorhall – a much smaller castle on the shores of The Lord, Mirrorhall takes its name from the stained glass windows that line the main hall. The windows are made from imported glass, lined with local lead, and depict the history of House Anlan and the Empire in marvelous detail. The hall sits empty most of the year, only being used during the hottest months of the summer.

The Fisher’s Keep – the fortified tower sits across the Goldwater from the port city of Tirn. It holds the garrison and naval capabilities of the city. Casald’s brother, Tamir Anlan, is the sitting lord of the keep.

Tirn – is the largest holding and only major port of House Anlan. It is watched over by Lord Casald’s brother, Tamir Anlan, from the Fisher’s Keep. The population is upwards of 35,000. The city is home to a booming fishing industry. Imports of grain and fabrics from the south have created a growing merchant class that rivals the local nobility in wealth, especially with House Anlan under such economic strain from the Pale City.

Rosmar – is the second largest city held by House Anlan. It sits southwest of the Crown. The city’s economy is based on river borne trade, gold and lead mining and to a lesser extent metal crafting exports. The population is around 20,000.

Lordlin – is a small town based around the iron mining economy of the far eastern holdings of House Anland. The population fluctuates by season from a low of two thousand to a high of six thousand, depending on the weather and recent mining booms.


Sources of Income: Primarily based on iron, lead and gold mining from their resource rich holdings, with minor income from the port of Tirn’s fisheries and trade incomes. The Goldwater is a deep river that provides inland trading by small ships and ample fishing income along the banks. Grain and vegetable farms provide the least income of all.

Brief Timeline:

~600 A.R – The accepted date for the mythological birth of House Anlan. The first member of the house is said to have been birthed as a grown man from the waters of The Bastard. A travelling group of priests witnessed this event, reported it to a local high lord, and the man known as Casald was granted land on the northern reaches of the Goldwater as a low lord. The truth behind this is, of course, disputed, but records show that the first Casald of House Anlan was actually a well-known metal smith, and in exchange for years of fine crafting work was granted land and rank in absence of coin by an impoverished local lord.

~730 A.R – House Anlan is raised from low nobility to high. This meteoric rise is often attributed to the discovery of the rich ore veins north of the Goldwater, but it is possible that the earliest forms of wealth came through plucking gold from the river itself. The new wealth supported the low house in their efforts to marry the strong lords of the north, quickly establishing them as powerful allies to have.

~780 A.R – House Anlan begins making loans to the Pale City, beginning a series of poor economic choices that would plague the house over the following several centuries. Jainst the Spender becomes Lord of Rosmar.

~802 A.R – Jainst the Spender begins the forty year effort to construct The Crown adjacent to the mining villages in the Shimmering Hills. Extensive slave labor is used in this construction. The house is for the first time required to seek outside economic assistance based on future ore extraction.

~ 817 A.R – Jainst the Spender dies in the first completed tower of The Crown, now known at The Fountain. His son continues the construction effort, though with much less vigor than his father.

~ 819 A.R – House Anlan goes to war with a local lord from House Udden over economic disputes related to the port city of Tirn, the then seat of House Udden. Two more towers are added to The Crown. It is rumored that the heir to House Anlan is a bastard born to a travelling entertainer by the name of Osmac the Great. His greatness is disputed, as are his stories.

~ 820 A.R – The younger brother of the Lord of Rosmar, Krason Anlan, captures Tirn and executes two hundred people, including two of the five sons of Lord Udden. Krason becomes known as The Vengeful. He takes Lord Udden’s eldest daughter as his wife, forcing the recognition of his children as the heirs to House Udden.

~844 A.R – After four decades of continuous construction The Crown is completed. The realm of House Anlan is reckoned to be fifteen years into debt with the Pale City.

~847 A.R - Construction begins on The Fisher’s Keep by an aging Lord Krason.

~858 A.R – Lord Wurlad Anlan seizes the lands around present day Lordlin on rumors of gold veins in the hills. These are later found to be true, but in low quantity and concentration. The iron ore deposits are found to be much more extensive and valuable.

~869 A.R – House Rastun of the Deepwater swears fealty to House Anlan.

~890 A.R – Houses Musen and Crann, degraded high lords in their own right, rise up against House Anlan over the execution of Gaican Filstut, a lesser lord from Tirn, for heresy. No such heresy existed. The execution was carried out by Lord Dain Anlan for trespasses against his young daughter, though he could not prove it. The gruesome death by public hanging was seen as the last straw in a series of transgressions by House Anlan (mostly in the form of tariffs on merchants to repay crown debts).

~894 A.R – The War of the Redwater (called such for the blood spilled in the river during a half dozen battles) ends with House Crann utterly shattered. Crannhold swears fealty to House Anlan. House Musen follows shortly thereafter.

~895 A.R – Lord Casald (a common name in the house) travels to the Pale City to meet with the Emperor over extensions to debt payments. The War of the Redwater increased the promise of ore to thirty six years. House Anlan had still not paid off the fifteen years of debt that The Crown had cost them. The Emperor agrees to extensions, easing the financial burden on the house.

~900-1100 A.R – with most local enemies suppressed, House Anlan gained a period known to house historians as The Quiet Time. Military campaigns were infrequent, almost entirely foreign and in exchange for lessened debts. The house built Mirrorhall between 1040 and 1050, expanding on previous debts by another two decades. House Anlan became openly mocked as beggars and street urchins during this period. By the end of the 11th century House Anlan was over a century into debt with the Pale City, and the vast majority of the house’s wealth was exported.

~1125 A.R – House Anlan begins stripping The Crown, selling furniture, artifacts and even the jewelry buried in the crypts.

~1141 A.R – Lord Randurn commits suicide by poison, leaving his daughter as the heir to The Crown. She becomes known as The Lady Frail. She redesigns the banner of the house to the Broken Red Crown on a field of Grey. She later marries one of her cousins, a minor lord with no holdings remaining to his branch.

~1191 A.R – The Lady Frail dies, leaving the house in the best shape in centuries. The debt to the Pale City is reduced to less than twenty years. Her sons and grandsons slowly destroy the foundation she had built.

~1250 A.R – The Mutiny of Banded Brothers takes place in Rosmar. After a harsh winter of held pay, the local population rose into rebellion in the streets, ransacking grain stores. The Crown sent forth their guards to contain the crowd, but the soldiers refuse to harm their own. The city of Rosmar is held by rebels throughout the year.

~1251 A.R – House Anland demolishes the eleventh tower (of 13 total) on the Crown, selling the building material to anyone that would buy it. The money is used to break the rebellion with pay and imported grain.

~1300 A.R – House Anlan joins the Usurper in the The War of the Pale Brothers on promises of debt forgiveness. Two generations of lords are lost in combat.

~1361 A.R – House Gribon is massacred in the final years of the war. House Anlan adopts the only surviving son, though a few daughters are believed to live throughout the empire.

~1370 A.R - The Usurper’s line backs away from promises of debt forgiveness based on their economic advisers. Payments from House Anlan support the rebuilding effort in the aftermath of the war. This betrayal is where the story begins.

Location:

[Starlife]

Nice, Lucky. Thank you.

Also, fvck everyone.

[Starlife]

OK, I'm going to post this here.

This map is far from finished, and of course I've only included two house names.

Spoiler:

Basically, I'm posting this so any newcomers can see where NPC concentrations are. I put some black circles around the coast of the places that need players the most. But anywhere that says NPC, or any blank white space without a player name, is fair game (for the most part -- inquire first).

If no players join in those spots, no worries -- I have some interesting NPCs planned, as well as special "sites", such as ruins and/or wastelands.

EDIT: Current Player List
North King: The Emperor (House of Luseysi the Savior) and the Pale City
alex994: House Reinar
Son of Erdrick: House Cyir (if he finishes his info)
Kraznaya: House Qáhiriyün
bombshoo: House Sotulyn
Seon: House Renatii
Massive Attack: House Haerasii
Optical: House Eyiniyas
Azale: House Godhart
Thlayli: House Dyre
The Strategos: House Tonul
Owen Glyndwr: House Ranof
Yui108: House Aakzid
Luckymoose: House Anlan