Performance issues on Mountain Lion

Treedweller · Jul 25, 2012, 10:16 PM

I recently updated my MacBook Pro (2.7 GHz i7, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GT 650M) to Mountain Lion (10.8). In Lion, Civ V ran flawlessly on medium settings. Though the game would slow between turns later in the game, I was able to scroll across the map or enter the city screen without slowdown.

In Mountain Lion, the game runs choppy, even early in the game when there's less units and moves to process. The game's constantly hiccupping. I even lowered the settings and the resolution--the game's still encountering the same problems. Has anyone else experienced the same rough performance in the transition from Lion to Mountain Lion?

I verified the integrity of the game's files in Steam, so I'm not sure what's going on. Perhaps I'm the only one.

jpinoniemi · Jul 26, 2012, 03:49 AM

That's sad to hear. I was holding off on updating my Macbook Pro, and mine isn't as good as yours (2GHz i7, 8GB RAM, Intel HD Graphics 3000 512MB).

I'll keep an eye on the forum for other reports, for now, I'm not upgrading.

migo · Jul 26, 2012, 05:57 AM

Noticed same here with Nvidia 320M. Performance was slow at Lion, and is even slower on Mountain Lion. Maby something was done to Nvidia drivers during os update that made performance worse...

AmtrakQuebec · Jul 26, 2012, 06:42 AM

It is even worse for me on my MacBook Pro Retina... It crashes approximately every 15 turns and is very slow, making it unplayable. I think I might downgrade.

Treedweller · Jul 26, 2012, 10:20 AM

I haven't experienced any crashes, but I haven't played more than five turns without getting frustrated and quitting the game to fiddle with my settings. We'll probably need a patch/hotfix to optimize CiV for Mountain Lion.

I know nothing about the drivers, migo, but you could be right.

Bruun · Jul 28, 2012, 03:52 AM

I'm experiencing the same problems on a Retina Macbook after upgrading to Mountain Lion. I also tried doing a clean install, but the issues remained.

I'm also seeing this in other games, such as Driver: San Francisco, where the game skips every 3-5 seconds, running smooth in between. I think this is a driver or OS issue, and I'm hoping for a patch soon.

Pandolphin · Jul 28, 2012, 10:07 PM

About to test it on my Mid 2011 iMac. I hope it works.
EDIT: I'm surprised to say it works even better than before! Started a game with 21 civs on a Giant Earth map and no more white and red checkerboards

thepieman42 · Jul 29, 2012, 10:41 PM

I'm also having problems on my Macbook Pro Retina. I have a 2.6GHz processor and it ran perfectly before I updated to mountain lion. Anyone have any suggestions on how to fix this?

uncclewis · Jul 29, 2012, 11:39 PM

Its terrible! Its very unstable! I also have the retina macbook pro but 2.3GHz… Its slower and really jerks around when moving the curser around

Henric · Jul 30, 2012, 04:50 AM

Hi

Yep, same here. On a MBPR with lion last week it was very smooth (even with almost everything on max). Updated to Mountain lion this weekend and now it's quite jerky (even on turn 1). Offcourse none of the settings are changed.

Typical, I was one of the few (?) that had greate visuals, speed and no crashes on a MBPR, now with ML it's just crap (no crashes though, well one).

Wonder what might have caused this (for me at least) significant slowdown since the general assumtion with updates is that they will make things better/faster??

Side note, batterylife when playing Civ5 is just wierd, 1h - 1,30h tops with a full charge and screen on say 60 % brightness. Probably not's civ's fault, but anyway...

BR
Henric

Treedweller · Jul 30, 2012, 10:34 AM

From our limited number of responses, it seems like this problem is only on MBR hardware.

I should note that Civ V runs better in my Windows partition than it did in even 10.7.x. I'm not sure how the new MacBook hardware and Mountain Lion are conspiring to make Civ V nearly unplayable.

Riftcat · Aug 01, 2012, 12:32 PM

Probably not just a Retina problem. I'm using a Mid-2011 iMac 3.4GHz (AMD Radeon HD 6970M graphics) and am having the same issues. Game crashes 4-5 times per hour, bizarre graphics glitches from time to time, etc.

Treedweller · Aug 01, 2012, 06:02 PM

Good to know that it's not just an MBR problem. Thanks for the report, Riftcat. Hopefully Aspyr will come up with a fix soon.

Maineguy · Aug 02, 2012, 12:22 AM

I will not upgrade my OS X to 10.8 this year, becuase i have met a tons of issues on those Mac forums and many application software are not compatible with the OS X 10.8 at present ...

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Folkesito · Aug 06, 2012, 01:11 AM

Agree with Pandolphin above. My feeling after a few games on my 2011 imac is that it's smoother and faster after upgrade to mountain lion

migo · Aug 06, 2012, 04:13 AM

Improved performance reports seem to come from iMac 2011 users. Those machines seem to have Radeon 67**M GPU, so performance could have improved at Radeon GPUs with mountain lion, but has become wose on computers with nVidia GPU (such as MBPR and other machines using nVidia cards)

Trimaj · Aug 09, 2012, 08:08 PM

does anyone know if upgrading to mountain lion and then downgrading again means you get to keep mountain lion for after they fix it, or will you have to repurchase?

i'm asking because i have a free upgrade, and have been holding off on it. if anyone knows would be greatly appreciated.

Treedweller · Aug 09, 2012, 09:07 PM

Mountain Lion should be tied to your Apple account--free upgrade or not--which means that there's nothing stopping you from downloading it a second, third, or millionth time. That should work, Trimaj.

Trimaj · Aug 10, 2012, 12:55 AM

thanks much. i figured that was probably the case, but just wondered if anyone could give me more info.

sorta a new mac user so... lot i don't really know yet.

glawrie · Aug 12, 2012, 04:31 AM

Just to add to the list of problem systems, I have a MacPro (2010) 2x2.4 Quad Xeons, with Radeon 5870, OS X 10.8 (Mountain Lion). Civ V (Gods & Kings) from Steam, running under OS X.

Ultra buggy. Crashes about once an hour. Slow in early rounds, very slow in later rounds.

So, don't think it is MBR only, or nVidia (since neither apply to my system…).

HTH

Jul 25, 2012, 10:16 PM	#1
Treedweller Chieftain Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 23	Performance issues on Mountain Lion I recently updated my MacBook Pro (2.7 GHz i7, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GT 650M) to Mountain Lion (10.8). In Lion, Civ V ran flawlessly on medium settings. Though the game would slow between turns later in the game, I was able to scroll across the map or enter the city screen without slowdown. In Mountain Lion, the game runs choppy, even early in the game when there's less units and moves to process. The game's constantly hiccupping. I even lowered the settings and the resolution--the game's still encountering the same problems. Has anyone else experienced the same rough performance in the transition from Lion to Mountain Lion? I verified the integrity of the game's files in Steam, so I'm not sure what's going on. Perhaps I'm the only one.

Jul 26, 2012, 03:49 AM	#2
jpinoniemi Chieftain Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 43	That's sad to hear. I was holding off on updating my Macbook Pro, and mine isn't as good as yours (2GHz i7, 8GB RAM, Intel HD Graphics 3000 512MB). I'll keep an eye on the forum for other reports, for now, I'm not upgrading. __________________ "We support your war of terror!" - Borat

Jul 28, 2012, 10:07 PM	#7
Pandolphin Chieftain Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 11	About to test it on my Mid 2011 iMac. I hope it works. EDIT: I'm surprised to say it works even better than before! Started a game with 21 civs on a Giant Earth map and no more white and red checkerboards Last edited by Pandolphin; Jul 28, 2012 at 10:18 PM.

Jul 29, 2012, 11:39 PM	#9
uncclewis Chieftain Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 15	Same problem Its terrible! Its very unstable! I also have the retina macbook pro but 2.3GHz… Its slower and really jerks around when moving the curser around

Aug 02, 2012, 12:22 AM	#14
Maineguy Chieftain Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1	I will not upgrade my OS X to 10.8 this year, becuase i have met a tons of issues on those Mac forums and many application software are not compatible with the OS X 10.8 at present ... ---------------------------- Rip DVDs on Mac OS X . Last edited by Maineguy; Aug 02, 2012 at 07:47 PM.

Jul 26, 2012, 05:57 AM	#3
migo Chieftain Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Helsinki Posts: 43	Noticed same here with Nvidia 320M. Performance was slow at Lion, and is even slower on Mountain Lion. Maby something was done to Nvidia drivers during os update that made performance worse...

Jul 26, 2012, 06:42 AM	#4
AmtrakQuebec Chieftain Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 16	It is even worse for me on my MacBook Pro Retina... It crashes approximately every 15 turns and is very slow, making it unplayable. I think I might downgrade.

Jul 26, 2012, 10:20 AM	#5
Treedweller Chieftain Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 23	I haven't experienced any crashes, but I haven't played more than five turns without getting frustrated and quitting the game to fiddle with my settings. We'll probably need a patch/hotfix to optimize CiV for Mountain Lion. I know nothing about the drivers, migo, but you could be right.

Jul 28, 2012, 03:52 AM	#6
Bruun Chieftain Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1	I'm experiencing the same problems on a Retina Macbook after upgrading to Mountain Lion. I also tried doing a clean install, but the issues remained. I'm also seeing this in other games, such as Driver: San Francisco, where the game skips every 3-5 seconds, running smooth in between. I think this is a driver or OS issue, and I'm hoping for a patch soon.

Jul 29, 2012, 10:41 PM	#8
thepieman42 Chieftain Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1	I'm also having problems on my Macbook Pro Retina. I have a 2.6GHz processor and it ran perfectly before I updated to mountain lion. Anyone have any suggestions on how to fix this?

Jul 30, 2012, 04:50 AM	#10
Henric Chieftain Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1	Hi Yep, same here. On a MBPR with lion last week it was very smooth (even with almost everything on max). Updated to Mountain lion this weekend and now it's quite jerky (even on turn 1). Offcourse none of the settings are changed. Typical, I was one of the few (?) that had greate visuals, speed and no crashes on a MBPR, now with ML it's just crap (no crashes though, well one). Wonder what might have caused this (for me at least) significant slowdown since the general assumtion with updates is that they will make things better/faster?? Side note, batterylife when playing Civ5 is just wierd, 1h - 1,30h tops with a full charge and screen on say 60 % brightness. Probably not's civ's fault, but anyway... BR Henric

Jul 30, 2012, 10:34 AM	#11
Treedweller Chieftain Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 23	From our limited number of responses, it seems like this problem is only on MBR hardware. I should note that Civ V runs better in my Windows partition than it did in even 10.7.x. I'm not sure how the new MacBook hardware and Mountain Lion are conspiring to make Civ V nearly unplayable.

Aug 01, 2012, 12:32 PM	#12
Riftcat Chieftain Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: New York, NY Posts: 2	Probably not just a Retina problem. I'm using a Mid-2011 iMac 3.4GHz (AMD Radeon HD 6970M graphics) and am having the same issues. Game crashes 4-5 times per hour, bizarre graphics glitches from time to time, etc.

Aug 01, 2012, 06:02 PM	#13
Treedweller Chieftain Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 23	Good to know that it's not just an MBR problem. Thanks for the report, Riftcat. Hopefully Aspyr will come up with a fix soon.

Aug 06, 2012, 01:11 AM	#15
Folkesito Chieftain Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Uppsala Posts: 3	Agree with Pandolphin above. My feeling after a few games on my 2011 imac is that it's smoother and faster after upgrade to mountain lion

Aug 06, 2012, 04:13 AM	#16
migo Chieftain Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Helsinki Posts: 43	Improved performance reports seem to come from iMac 2011 users. Those machines seem to have Radeon 67**M GPU, so performance could have improved at Radeon GPUs with mountain lion, but has become wose on computers with nVidia GPU (such as MBPR and other machines using nVidia cards)

Aug 09, 2012, 08:08 PM	#17
Trimaj Chieftain Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26	does anyone know if upgrading to mountain lion and then downgrading again means you get to keep mountain lion for after they fix it, or will you have to repurchase? i'm asking because i have a free upgrade, and have been holding off on it. if anyone knows would be greatly appreciated. __________________ Stupidity... the first, and last, frontier. All genius is insane, not all insanity is genius. An answer may be wrong, right, both, or neither. Most answers are partly right and partly wrong.

Aug 09, 2012, 09:07 PM	#18
Treedweller Chieftain Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 23	Mountain Lion should be tied to your Apple account--free upgrade or not--which means that there's nothing stopping you from downloading it a second, third, or millionth time. That should work, Trimaj.

Aug 10, 2012, 12:55 AM	#19
Trimaj Chieftain Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 26	thanks much. i figured that was probably the case, but just wondered if anyone could give me more info. sorta a new mac user so... lot i don't really know yet. __________________ Stupidity... the first, and last, frontier. All genius is insane, not all insanity is genius. An answer may be wrong, right, both, or neither. Most answers are partly right and partly wrong.

Aug 12, 2012, 04:31 AM	#20
glawrie Chieftain Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1	Just to add to the list of problem systems, I have a MacPro (2010) 2x2.4 Quad Xeons, with Radeon 5870, OS X 10.8 (Mountain Lion). Civ V (Gods & Kings) from Steam, running under OS X. Ultra buggy. Crashes about once an hour. Slow in early rounds, very slow in later rounds. So, don't think it is MBR only, or nVidia (since neither apply to my system…). HTH

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