HBO Game of Thrones, Season 2 - Page 20

innonimatu · Jul 17, 2012, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Winner

Definitely. GRRM takes many of these things to their extreme. Like, every rebellion ends with either the rebels or those who they rebelled against executed. Yet in the Middle Ages, it was far more likely for the rebel to be pardoned (and fined, or whatever). Executing important landholders never went well with the other major landholders on whom kings depended.

GRRM has always said that he got inspiration from the english civil wars, specifically the War of the Roses. And the english seem to have been a little more bloody-minded in their fighting among nobles than the French, for example, or the germans and bohemians, if that's what you're thinking about. Losers did get executed very often.

Leoreth · Jul 19, 2012, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mitsho

Did Tormung appear this early in the books? I don't remember him from book 3 much...

Well, Jon's is going to meet Mance Rayder in season three, so Tormund will have to be there as well. I hope they don't let him fill Mance's role to the story. I want to see Mance

Antilogic · Jul 30, 2012, 02:30 PM

Okay, just started watching season 2, and I'm getting pretty disappointed. The first season had characters like Ned Stark (Mr. Smith Goes to Washington) with a well-done plot (Mr. Smith Gets Beheaded in Washington). So far, the second season has substituted good characters and plot with... more sex scenes.

Should I just start watching porn instead, or does this season get better?

Murky · Jul 30, 2012, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Antilogic

Okay, just started watching season 2, and I'm getting pretty disappointed. The first season had characters like Ned Stark (Mr. Smith Goes to Washington) with a well-done plot (Mr. Smith Gets Beheaded in Washington). So far, the second season has substituted good characters and plot with... more sex scenes.

Should I just start watching porn instead, or does this season get better?

IMO, if you're offended by sex scenes then Game of Thrones is probably not your cup of tea. The show has more sex than the books. So if you like fantasy but can do without the sex scenes then just read the books. For instance, the stuff with Ros isn't in the books. The book is also a lot different when it comes to Renly.

Antilogic · Jul 30, 2012, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Murky

IMO, if you're offended by sex scenes then Game of Thrones is probably not your cup of tea. The show has more sex than the books. So if you like fantasy but can do without the sex scenes then just read the books. For instance, the stuff with Ros isn't in the books. The book is also a lot different when it comes to Renly.

It's not that I'm offended by it, it's just getting boring. Beyond the sex scenes, there's not much happening. The first two episodes had about 15 minutes worth of actual plot development, loads of review exposition, and a dozen sex scenes. The balance is all off.

mitsho · Jul 30, 2012, 11:58 PM

That's a result of having more and more characters split up. Different locations need more screentime and take longer to show leads to less let's say continuity.

Book 3 (season 3 and 4) is widely regarded as the best and a very fast paced book. It does has a more concise plot so maybe you will like it. The next books then will be worse again for you

I definately would keep up for the next season if you manage.

But no book will reach the linearity of the first one... The first few episodes of season 2 are however much set-up. (and the sex gets getter, there's even one episode without any

)

cardgame · Jul 31, 2012, 03:46 AM

So I finally finished the 5th book today, thinking about watching GoT. How much of the series has been covered so far?

Also, I really hated the 5th book.

Spoiler:

Leoreth · Jul 31, 2012, 04:59 AM

The Fourth, awesome? Really?

After a period of retrospective I put ADWD in the same category as AFFC. As in, there are too many characters and Martin is focused too much on giving exposition on regions nobody cares about (Meereen

) instead of working on converging his plotlines again.

holy king · Jul 31, 2012, 09:12 AM

i really cared about the riverlands. not so mcuh about freaking mereen.

Antilogic · Jul 31, 2012, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mitsho

That's a result of having more and more characters split up. Different locations need more screentime and take longer to show leads to less let's say continuity.

Book 3 (season 3 and 4) is widely regarded as the best and a very fast paced book. It does has a more concise plot so maybe you will like it. The next books then will be worse again for you

I definately would keep up for the next season if you manage.

But no book will reach the linearity of the first one... The first few episodes of season 2 are however much set-up. (and the sex gets getter, there's even one episode without any

)

All right, I'll give another episode or two a chance.

TheLastOne36 · Jul 31, 2012, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Antilogic

It's not that I'm offended by it, it's just getting boring. Beyond the sex scenes, there's not much happening. The first two episodes had about 15 minutes worth of actual plot development, loads of review exposition, and a dozen sex scenes. The balance is all off.

Honestly it was just the first two episodes that were sex scene heavy. If you decide to stop watching here, you are missing out.

TheLastOne36 · Aug 09, 2012, 08:49 PM

I was thinking recently that Hoster Tully wasn't mentioned as a cast member for Season 3. It could be he is too minor of a character to be included in the cast this early, but I think it's possible that Hoster Tully is dead in the third season and when the news reaches Catelyn and Robb, they go to seek the newly appointed Edmure Tully in Riverrun for alliance and events will proceed as normally, explaining everything to do with Riverrun that was omitted from the past two seasons.

The Northernmen rampaging across the Riverlands the past two seasons without Riverrun not even saying a single word could be explained with Hoster Tully's failing health.

We might even see Robb go on another campaign to the west, and Edmure attempting his plot to defeat the Lannisters in the field that was excluded last season. (Since A Storm of Swords is split into two seasons, this might help elongate the plot.)

mitsho · Aug 10, 2012, 04:16 AM

I do think we will see Hoster's Funeral, and

Spoiler:

I don't think there's enough time for another campaign in the west, there's so much going on already. And I think it's been made clear that Tullys are ok with what the Northeners do, they have been namedropped in season 1 at least, just because we didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen

TheLastOne36 · Aug 10, 2012, 09:50 AM

Well it makes sense to us book readers. To those who didn't read the book which I can imagine is a large portion of the population, the Tully-Stark alliance hasn't been mentioned once in any of the two seasons. As far as they are concerned, they don't know what the Riverlands or Riverrun is.

TheLastOne36 · Aug 13, 2012, 02:43 PM

Ramsay Bolton cast.

Winner · Aug 14, 2012, 04:16 AM

Evil eyes, good.

mitsho · Aug 14, 2012, 04:30 AM

Well, that's kind of old news. Iwan Rheon is a real talent, definately watch (at least the beginning) of Misfits, it's a good series and he plays kind of a sociopathic loner there. And he does it well

Also, his music is good as well. As for Game of Thrones, mild tv spoilers and speculation follow

Spoiler:

Now we just need to wait for Mance Rayder still... He's the last big role needed to be filled.

Benefactor · Aug 14, 2012, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by TheLastOne36

Well it makes sense to us book readers. To those who didn't read the book which I can imagine is a large portion of the population, the Tully-Stark alliance hasn't been mentioned once in any of the two seasons. As far as they are concerned, they don't know what the Riverlands or Riverrun is.

I've never read the books, but in the show when Robb was discussing where to attack it was mentioned that lifting Jaimes siege would bring the Riverlords on side.

What wasn't properly explained in the show, as far as I can remember, was why exactly the Lannisters were attacking the Riverlands in the first place.

GoodSarmatian · Aug 14, 2012, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Benefactor

I've never read the books, but in the show when Robb was discussing where to attack it was mentioned that lifting Jaimes siege would bring the Riverlords on side.

What wasn't properly explained in the show, as far as I can remember, was why exactly the Lannisters were attacking the Riverlands in the first place.

It was just one sentence by Tywin to Jaime during his first appearance: Attack the Riverlands as punishment for Tyrion's abduction because Catelyn Stark is originally from there.

TheLastOne36 · Aug 14, 2012, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by mitsho

It also is a sign for me that they don't want to cut storylines from the books, but tend to rearrange them as good as they can, see also Meera and Jojen who have also been cast. That's a good sign for me as much of the fearmongering seems to be baseless

I'm curious how Meera and Jojen will appear in the show.

The next book is being cut into two seasons so they will need to extend the plot somehow as I think 10 episodes is quite a bit for half the book. The rearranging of the Theon/Bolton storyline and whatever they intend to do with Jojen and Meera Reed alongside with giving airtime to characters like Littlefinger, Ross, Stannis+Melissandre and others will probably be enough.

Jul 30, 2012, 02:30 PM	#383
Antilogic Sheepishly Statist Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: United States Posts: 9,835 Images: 2	Okay, just started watching season 2, and I'm getting pretty disappointed. The first season had characters like Ned Stark (Mr. Smith Goes to Washington) with a well-done plot (Mr. Smith Gets Beheaded in Washington). So far, the second season has substituted good characters and plot with... more sex scenes. Should I just start watching porn instead, or does this season get better? __________________ Patron of fine and wholesome iced-cream manufactories.

Jul 31, 2012, 03:46 AM	#387
cardgame SOCIAL DEVIANT Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ponyville Posts: 8,634 Images: 2	So I finally finished the 5th book today, thinking about watching GoT. How much of the series has been covered so far? Also, I really hated the 5th book. Spoiler: It took almost everything that made the 4th awesome and burnt it. __________________ And when we're done, that final day, what will they know about you? What will they say?

Jul 31, 2012, 04:59 AM	#388
Leoreth Knight of Time Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Land of Heat and Clockwork Posts: 14,532	The Fourth, awesome? Really? After a period of retrospective I put ADWD in the same category as AFFC. As in, there are too many characters and Martin is focused too much on giving exposition on regions nobody cares about (Meereen ) instead of working on converging his plotlines again. __________________ How to be brilliant: Come up with something cool, then blame it on your brain. Play RFC Dawn of Civilization version 1.10 and relive the history of the world! Conquer Iberia as the Moors, dominate Asian trade as the Tamils, or resist colonization as the Kingdom of Kongo.

Aug 10, 2012, 04:16 AM	#393
mitsho Deity Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Europe, more or less Posts: 5,284	I do think we will see Hoster's Funeral, and Spoiler: spoilerish pics show a Riverrun river side set with boats and a man lying down on it. I think we can take that as confirmation that we will see Edmure's famous botched arrows. I don't think there's enough time for another campaign in the west, there's so much going on already. And I think it's been made clear that Tullys are ok with what the Northeners do, they have been namedropped in season 1 at least, just because we didn't see it, doesn't mean it didn't happen

Aug 14, 2012, 04:16 AM	#396
Winner Diverse in Unity Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Brno -> Czech rep. >>European Union Posts: 26,491	Evil eyes, good. __________________ "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil" - Thomas Mann

Jul 30, 2012, 11:58 PM	#386
mitsho Deity Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Europe, more or less Posts: 5,284	That's a result of having more and more characters split up. Different locations need more screentime and take longer to show leads to less let's say continuity. Book 3 (season 3 and 4) is widely regarded as the best and a very fast paced book. It does has a more concise plot so maybe you will like it. The next books then will be worse again for you I definately would keep up for the next season if you manage. But no book will reach the linearity of the first one... The first few episodes of season 2 are however much set-up. (and the sex gets getter, there's even one episode without any )

Jul 31, 2012, 09:12 AM	#389
holy king Pervert bunker inhabitant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 16,369	i really cared about the riverlands. not so mcuh about freaking mereen.

Aug 09, 2012, 08:49 PM	#392
TheLastOne36 Deity Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 12,727 Images: 8	I was thinking recently that Hoster Tully wasn't mentioned as a cast member for Season 3. It could be he is too minor of a character to be included in the cast this early, but I think it's possible that Hoster Tully is dead in the third season and when the news reaches Catelyn and Robb, they go to seek the newly appointed Edmure Tully in Riverrun for alliance and events will proceed as normally, explaining everything to do with Riverrun that was omitted from the past two seasons. The Northernmen rampaging across the Riverlands the past two seasons without Riverrun not even saying a single word could be explained with Hoster Tully's failing health. We might even see Robb go on another campaign to the west, and Edmure attempting his plot to defeat the Lannisters in the field that was excluded last season. (Since A Storm of Swords is split into two seasons, this might help elongate the plot.)

Aug 10, 2012, 09:50 AM	#394
TheLastOne36 Deity Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 12,727 Images: 8	Well it makes sense to us book readers. To those who didn't read the book which I can imagine is a large portion of the population, the Tully-Stark alliance hasn't been mentioned once in any of the two seasons. As far as they are concerned, they don't know what the Riverlands or Riverrun is.

Aug 13, 2012, 02:43 PM	#395
TheLastOne36 Deity Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 12,727 Images: 8	Ramsay Bolton cast.

Aug 14, 2012, 04:30 AM	#397
mitsho Deity Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Europe, more or less Posts: 5,284	Well, that's kind of old news. Iwan Rheon is a real talent, definately watch (at least the beginning) of Misfits, it's a good series and he plays kind of a sociopathic loner there. And he does it well Also, his music is good as well. As for Game of Thrones, mild tv spoilers and speculation follow Spoiler: His role is listed as Boy in the scripts and by HBO and in one scene report, Theon apparently didn't recognize him and didn't know where he was, so I [i]guess[/] we will see some variation of the identity switch with Theon and Ramsay/Reek. I guess Ramsay will be in the same jail cell and convince Theon to escape or something then hunt him down and do what he does as a "see I can't trust you" kind of thing. In any case, looking forward to how that turns out. It also is a sign for me that they don't want to cut storylines from the books, but tend to rearrange them as good as they can, see also Meera and Jojen who have also been cast. That's a good sign for me as much of the fearmongering seems to be baseless Now we just need to wait for Mance Rayder still... He's the last big role needed to be filled.

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