They were selected because simple ownership of real estate is something only free men can have.
Taxation is extortion and theft.
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They were selected because simple ownership of real estate is something only free men can have.
Terxpahseyton
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You couldn't just have stayed in the Chamber?
Is the ownership of real estate voluntary?
If you claim to own real estate, how do I verify your claim?
So if I don't agree that taxation is justified, my definition must be wrong.
That sounds like a legitimate argument.
ParkCungHee
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If you disagree with the governments role in arbitrating property disputes, but feel property is an absolute human right, why are you on my property?
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ParkCungHee
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Why are you occupying my land without my permission?
Is there a term that you do not understand? I thought the questions were easy enough for someone of your intelligence.Time to define your terms, Jolly.
Am I?
Ajidica
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Anarcho-Capitalism cannot exist as you are still keeping in place a system of non-consentual authority under a different name. In fact, that system of non-consentual authority is even worse than the state as it does not even have the theoretical mandate of popular will and protecting the general welfare.
Also, property is theft.
Using non-defined terms is the key tactic of the Socratic trap. What do you mean by ownership?
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Yes. I'm understanding if you were simply uninformed, but I would like you to get off it now.
What might this be? And what do you mean, "Property is theft?" Does everything belong to the state? Prove it.
I'm getting off of it immediately. Sir.
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Excellent. You'll be heading out into international waters then?
What? Such things are only relics of our barbaric past. I'll be heading out onto the privately owned road which I have access to through easement laws. Good day!
How? (Watch him not answer)
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Ajidica
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The simple act of claiming something as my own requires that it had not been my own originaly. Thus, I was taking something that beforehand either belonged to collective or nobody.
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Yes, an institution of aggression called the private ownership/monopolization of land. The homesteading principle does not actually allow individuals to claim natural resources which are not the product of any human labor as valid property. The individual has a right to defend the improvements created by his labor (or that of those who voluntarily transferred their rights to the products of their labor), but the Lockean Proviso only permits the monopolization of a natural resource when there is as much of equal quality left available to anyone else who might wish to do likewise. When land is scarce enough to have a non-negligible market value, then it is an act of aggression to prevent others from using it without compensating them somehow. Ideally the form of compensation could be agreed upon by all the individuals involved, but on a large scale that is unpractical to the point of impossibility.
Regrettably, it is probably impossible for individuals to live without infringing upon the rights of their neighbors in at least some small ways. Perfect justice may be unattainable, but we should still strive to move towards that goal. A minarchist state is one way to try to solve the collective action problem of minimizing and mitigating acts of aggression. It is not perfect and I would not assert that an anarchist alternative could never be devised, but it is better than the alternatives I have heard so far.
From what I have read (which admittedly does not include any of Rand's actual works), it seems that Galt's Gulch definitely did have a government. It was a sort of feudalism where allodial land lords collected a Georgist land value single tax which they were in no way obliged to share with the landless. In principle, landlords are just as statist as kings. The relatively small size of their domains make it easier for others to leave and harder for them to abuse their power, but that is just a matter of degree.
Land value taxes are the most acceptable form of taxation (taxes on wages are totally unjust and inefficient), but they ought to be redistributed to the community rather than hoarded by individual rent seekers.
Bumping, though since this is a free-for-all against one person, the thread might be amusing for us but exhausting for Mouthwash.
How did the property become 'yours'?
You are the one who brought the term ownership into this game. Why not tell me what you meant by the term?
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