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Old Apr 19, 2007, 03:11 PM   #201
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If someone wants an unit to be add, it just requires balancing and finetuning, even the ones that are hard to do if the mod team wants to do it (at will). If debates have been done before, please refresh the newcomers.
No, if a unit is to be added, first it has to be created graphically and modeled by someone willing to spend hours and hours of their time. That's why, when someone says, "Give me a Dragon Prince unit", the response is not humble. We are in fact extremely lucky to have such brilliant unit makers put so much time and effort into the mod and produce so much of what was needed to make presenting entire races possible, where they wouldn't have been before.

I do agree with the concept of making even the advanced units different but not better in every way; for example Waywatchers were originally the sniper-esque units that were suggested in this thread recently, but the others decided they work better as an upgrade for regular Archers; same with Shadow Warriors. The Waywatchers in fact did have an HP penalty (As would have the Shadow Warriors), so it actually became worth it to still build Elf Archers late in the game rather than pumping out squillions of these so-called rare units.

Another idea I wanted to implement was the idea of giving Phoenix and Black Guard units a movement of just one, but a defence of 7, making them finer defenders than human Pikemen, and also representing the fact that these are defenders who mostly languish in the city and if you want them to accompany your troops on invasions, they'll slow you down (Plus they'll never run away from a fight like units with movement two). Again, I was outvoted and (Unless there's a lack of Iron) you'll never see High Elf Spearmen in the modern age.

With earlier versions of the mod I did include a second "WH-balanced" version, which had changes like Troll-sized creatures being weaker on defence, so that they wouldn't be the only unit built by several races quite late into the game, instead having to be supported by regular troops to defend. Another major change was Wizards being at -1HP (They are only Wizards after all!) so there wasn't a huge reason to build loads of them, as the AI occasionally does. But there were so many patches that needed to be put together I couldn't edit a new version every time, so I stopped. And I think everyone's happy playing the current version, so we'll just have to wait for a Civ 4 mod for true unit balance
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Old Apr 19, 2007, 03:58 PM   #202
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No, if a unit is to be added, first it has to be created graphically and modeled by someone willing to spend hours and hours of their time. That's why, when someone says, "Give me a Dragon Prince unit", the response is not humble. We are in fact extremely lucky to have such brilliant unit makers put so much time and effort into the mod and produce so much of what was needed to make presenting entire races possible, where they wouldn't have been before.
True, but there are plenty good Civ3 models out there that can be cannibalized into Warhammer mod without even touching the graphics. With low graphics of Civ3, many things can pass for another (unlike Rome: Total War, which is another game that is heavily modded). Of course, we can't just just a goblin for dwarve.

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With earlier versions of the mod I did include a second "WH-balanced" version, which had changes like Troll-sized creatures being weaker on defence, so that they wouldn't be the only unit built by several races quite late into the game, instead having to be supported by regular troops to defend. Another major change was Wizards being at -1HP (They are only Wizards after all!) so there wasn't a huge reason to build loads of them, as the AI occasionally does. But there were so many patches that needed to be put together I couldn't edit a new version every time, so I stopped.
Since current set of modders are thinking stopping, and if you remember the things you have changed, "WH-balanced" version wouldn't be a bad idea. I was working on a Warhammer world scenario (a completely new map) based on 2.5 rules and units, but alas, I found Fallout, .

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And I think everyone's happy playing the current version, so we'll just have to wait for a Civ 4 mod for true unit balance
Another reason to move to Civ4, .
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Old Apr 19, 2007, 05:02 PM   #203
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Well I think you'll find that any unit that is of a high enough quality will already have been absorbed into the modpack... most human units were not custom-made for example, and some other fantasy units came about from other projects, such as the Final Fantasy mod. Trust us, where it came to adding units, we're way ahead of you

And yeah, Civ 4 has already taken me, which is why I've barely played version 2.5, sadly, and probably won't make or ask for any more changes...
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Old Apr 19, 2007, 05:20 PM   #204
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I fell to the dark side of civ4 however I am back now (although I do have exams comming up )
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Old Apr 19, 2007, 06:57 PM   #205
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The science advisor says "Felling bad? Good!" when I check the Lords of Decay Icon, shouldn't it be feeling? Also when I checked out the Vermin Lords it called them powerful demons...I thought it was daemons?? This version is awesome and I am happy with it

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Old Apr 19, 2007, 07:00 PM   #206
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I didnt know that the Vermine lord was a Demon, but I am pretty sure its spelt without the "a" in warhammer.
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Old Apr 19, 2007, 09:35 PM   #207
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I didnt know that the Vermine lord was a Demon, but I am pretty sure its spelt without the "a" in warhammer.
Everything in Warhammer has a few extra "a's" and "o's" thrown in.
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Old Apr 19, 2007, 09:44 PM   #208
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I think most demons and/or daemons are refered to as 'daemons'. "Daemonic Units" is part of the Hordes of Chaos miniture range...
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Old Apr 20, 2007, 04:49 PM   #209
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Wait.. I thought it was like that "color"/"colour" thing..

So daemons are Chaos demons, but there are other demons without an "a"? I`m confused.
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Old Apr 21, 2007, 01:42 AM   #210
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Wait.. I thought it was like that "color"/"colour" thing..

So daemons are Chaos demons, but there are other demons without an "a"? I`m confused.
It is a color/colour thing...http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/daemon
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Old Apr 21, 2007, 05:13 AM   #211
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Everything in Warhammer has a few extra "a's" and "o's" thrown in.
That's 'cause WH is British
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Old Apr 21, 2007, 02:31 PM   #212
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The Skaven are great The is Doom Wheel is crazy...I love it
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Old Apr 24, 2007, 01:44 AM   #213
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If the current set of WH modders are thinking to stop modding, it would be interesting to see who will carry on the torch.
You're the kind of guy who keeps running even after the race is won, right?
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Old Apr 24, 2007, 02:34 AM   #214
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haha <3 drzoidberg

there will be a small patch soon, however, but mostly to address a couple issues like some missing unit abilities.
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Old Apr 24, 2007, 02:58 AM   #215
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I too am still running, but mostly with my own copy of the mod I`m just flavorising it to my likeness, and updating some unit gfx.
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Old Apr 24, 2007, 10:11 AM   #216
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yeah, I'd guess stormrage is pretty happy we won't be updating much - there were so many things he wanted otherwise
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Old Apr 24, 2007, 03:31 PM   #217
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I still want a whole bunch of stuff, I just don`t care anymore if anyone else has access to it

I would like to see just one one absolutely needed WH unit from you, aaglo.. something to replace the "poke in the eye" Uruk-Hai..
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Old Apr 25, 2007, 05:51 PM   #218
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You're the kind of guy who keeps running even after the race is won, right?
, we will do our best to keep it running.
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The Expansionist trait really gets the short end of the stick Maybe there settlers could cost less or they could get 2 of them at the start?
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The Expansionist trait really gets the short end of the stick Maybe there settlers could cost less or they could get 2 of them at the start?
Look for the goody huts With the Exp. trait there you won`t run into any barbarians, you`ll just find gold, cities, settlers and of course - techs... Sounds good enough to me..
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