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Old Feb 02, 2010, 01:39 PM   #1
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Are you interested in another game?

Here it is, the traditional recorded vote on whether there is enough support for another game.

For simplicity sake, I'm making it yes/no. Either there is some chance you'll be interested (in which case we discuss the conditions in new forums) or not. As soon as there is enough support shown, I'll take it to the admins and other DG mods.
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Old Feb 02, 2010, 02:10 PM   #2
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Gee, I'm the second person to vote on this. ("Yes").

I guess I don't have a life.
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Old Feb 02, 2010, 03:43 PM   #3
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Old Feb 03, 2010, 02:09 AM   #6
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Old Feb 03, 2010, 05:30 AM   #7
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I would be far more interested in taking a behind the scenes role than playing the game.
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How many "Yes" votes are needed to get a new forum?
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Old Feb 03, 2010, 02:13 PM   #11
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Great news!

Thanks, Dave.
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Old Feb 04, 2010, 11:36 AM   #13
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I wouldn't mind playing with a mod, like RoM. Anyone else?
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Old Feb 04, 2010, 03:25 PM   #14
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I think the problem is that most people here aren't familiar with most (or all) of the mods. Myself, I've only played one mod a fair amount, and that's Fall From Heaven 2. While it'd be nice to play such a mod with friends for fun, it's really not suited for a competitive multiplayer democracy game, because some civs are vastly superior to others for the expansion/military route - which is inevitably the route demogames always end up taking. (Some civs are even better all-around than others, depending on the map.) In regular BTS, on the other hand, it's more of a level playing field between civs. Plus people are much more familiar with it.

Basically I think it'd be better to play mods with friends (maybe in an intra-team game on your team), rather than reducing the playing field in the demogame by playing with a mod many people are unfamiliar with. Keep in mind, of course, that even if we start with a bunch of people semi-familiar with a mod, there will be newbies and lurkers who join part-way through, and they may not know anything about the mod themselves. So they may not feel they're able to contribute anything, because they don't know how the mod works. Whereas it's pretty much guaranteed that if they're here at this site, they've played the basic Civ4 game, which they'll be familiar with.

So while it's a nice idea, I think it's better to use it for a smaller game with friends than a big demogame.
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Old Feb 04, 2010, 05:00 PM   #15
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I think the problem is that most people here aren't familiar with most (or all) of the mods. Myself, I've only played one mod a fair amount, and that's Fall From Heaven 2. While it'd be nice to play such a mod with friends for fun, it's really not suited for a competitive multiplayer democracy game, because some civs are vastly superior to others for the expansion/military route - which is inevitably the route demogames always end up taking. (Some civs are even better all-around than others, depending on the map.) In regular BTS, on the other hand, it's more of a level playing field between civs. Plus people are much more familiar with it.

Basically I think it'd be better to play mods with friends (maybe in an intra-team game on your team), rather than reducing the playing field in the demogame by playing with a mod many people are unfamiliar with. Keep in mind, of course, that even if we start with a bunch of people semi-familiar with a mod, there will be newbies and lurkers who join part-way through, and they may not know anything about the mod themselves. So they may not feel they're able to contribute anything, because they don't know how the mod works. Whereas it's pretty much guaranteed that if they're here at this site, they've played the basic Civ4 game, which they'll be familiar with.

So while it's a nice idea, I think it's better to use it for a smaller game with friends than a big demogame.
I know, I just thought it might be interesting. Even if it's not a 150 people Demogame. Though I do think more people will understand the regular. I thought it would be different from just plain old civ.
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Old Feb 04, 2010, 05:28 PM   #16
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I'm keen for a little bit of a variant on the standard demogame as well; that's why I suggested a "double civ" setup where each team in the demogame controls two teamed civs inside the game. That way you get quite a different game from the regular one, without venturing into unfamiliar territory. Instead of one unique unit, you get two; instead of one unique building, you get two; instead of two starting techs, you get up to four; instead of two traits, you get up to four. There are a lot of interesting possibilities as to how that could play out, IMHO.
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Old Feb 04, 2010, 08:51 PM   #18
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I checked out the Rise of Mankind forum just out of interest, and it certainly sounds like a cool mod - I'll definitely try it sometime. But it also sounds like there are a whole host of issues with trying to get (and keep) that mod running in multiplayer, so even if everyone was familiar with it, a demogame would likely be plagued with glitches, which are no fun for anyone. Still, I'd be up for a friendly game of that mod sometime.
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I'm keen for a little bit of a variant on the standard demogame as well; that's why I suggested a "double civ" setup where each team in the demogame controls two teamed civs inside the game. That way you get quite a different game from the regular one, without venturing into unfamiliar territory. Instead of one unique unit, you get two; instead of one unique building, you get two; instead of two starting techs, you get up to four; instead of two traits, you get up to four. There are a lot of interesting possibilities as to how that could play out, IMHO.
I like that idea, the Double Civ Setup.

However, from reading through some of the threads regarding the last MTDG, this would definitely generate an interesing start, but would it be enough to keep people interested and participating?

(Disclaimer: I was part of Team Kaz until late January 09, when I bailed out. Not my finest moment, but that is my history.)

Here's my rambling background for my question, and then it might make more sense.


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In the MTDG the prized role is that of the Turn Player because you get to implement the desires and wishes of your team. It can also involve a lot of work. It appears that one or maybe even two teams fell apart when the 'normal' Turn Player(s) left or were unavailable. That suggests several things. First, that the team structure was faulty, in that the team only had one head and could not survive without that head. Or that no one wanted to be Turn Player, which implies a lack of committment of the team to the game. It might be the case that no one was groomed/mentored on how to be a Turn Player.

There are also other roles in the MTDG, the most visible being Ambassdor/Spokesman for the team to other teams and the MTDG world at large. Sometimes this is handled by one person and other times by one person for each team. But it does give someone a chance to do something besides just post their opinions on things.

At least early in the game, no one is needed to handle city development and city production since this is generally discussed quite thoroughly. Late game could be a different story.

All of which leads me to this less than earth-shattering conculsion: if there are more people on the team than roles to fill, those that have nothing to do will go away, especially if the roles are being performed competently, unless they can make a role for themselves (Team Historian, for instance). And then, if something happens to the team leadership, no one is in place to step in and carry on. Which is what seems to have happened in this game.

I'm not trying to slam any team in any way. Some game related events caused bad feelings and people decided to drop out of the game due to that fact. I did the same thing.

So, while I do like your Double Civ Setup I wonder how it would play out after nine months of gaming.
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Double Civ Setup Suggestions

I would like to add to Lord Parkin's Double Civ Setup in that we have more teams (8 or 10). Each team would have fewer players but we might be able to keep more of them active in the game longer.

I like the idea of two teams being known to each other at the start of the game, but is there a way to limit how long they must know each other? That is, Team A and B are paired up at the start of the game but soon realize they cannot stand each other. How long would they be forced to be paired?

I don't like the initial idea of one team controlling two civs. It seems like more work for the team and one of the civs will be ignored. Having two civs being paired from the start of the game (but not known to the teams involved until after the game is started) gives everyone a 'buddy' to work with, at least for a while.

Again, I like the idea. It is a nice, out-of-the-box kind of thing. I have some issues with the original idea and would like to make it better.
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