A New Vision on Europe

[Exel]

Another great leader for Finland:

Johan August Sandels (he was actually a Swede, but he was the most successful commander during the Swedish-Russian war of Finland in 1808-1809)

I'll keep on seaching, but finding great leaders turned out to be harder than I though. Partly so because Mannerheim got all the credit for WW2. But if you approve mythological leaders, then you should also add Väinämöinen.

[The Last Conformist]

Originally posted by LouLong


Yep, you are right, sometimes I am just not sure whether I should adapt names or not...

Are you a history student ?

Well, I've studied history quite a bit, but not formally (obligatory primary and secondary school courses excepted, of course). I started to read my father's history books when I was about ten, and since I'm hooked!

J. A. Sandels ... unless I'm misremembering, he later became the last Swedish Field Marshal.

For the last Serb GL, I suggest Karadjordje. He led the rebellion against the Turks, and became the first Prince of independent Serbia in 1812.

Karadjordje is, BTW, a nick-name meaning "Black George", but it stuck well enough that the dynasty he founded is known as Karadjordjevich.

(I guess there's no need to point out that there's a few options for spelling this name too. I've not seen it in English enough times to know what's the commonest version, but "Karadjordje" is the least alien-looking!)

[Marla_Singer]

Here is where we are now :

Morocco : Mawlay Idriss, ibn Tashufin, ibn Tumart, Abd al-Mumin (Complete)
Hungary : Arpad, Hunyadi, Mathias Corvin, Geysa (Complete)
Serbia : Stefan Nemania, Saint Sava, Stefan Dushan, Karadjordje (Complete)
Finland : Mannerheim, Jaakko Ilkka, Sandels, Väinämöinen (Complete)
Ireland : O'Neil, O'Connell (2 missing)
Portugal, Austria, Netherlands : Those in Conquests.
Poland, Lithuania, Ukraine, Scotland, Romania : None for now.

Well, it's improving ! I'm fine with Sandels and Väinämöinen since, as finn, you think that's the best to represent Finland. If someone has Conquests, could he give to me the name of the Austrian, Portuguese and Dutch great leaders ?

By the way, Yoda Power, since you have Conquests, could you create a Conquests version of the map ? Unfortunately, I don't have the game so I couldn't test it, but at least, I could post it on this thread.

Talking about Conquests, does anyone know if they will sell Civilization 3 as a standalone including both expansion pack (PTW and Conquests) ? I ask so because I didn't see it in my store.

Oh, and by the way Yoda, If I choose 116x94 instead of 100x100, it was to respect my original model. It's been really hard for me tod determine where was the optimistic position for map borders... should we see Caucasus, Iceland ? Should Scandinavia be "insular" (needing boat to meet other civs) ?

I've posted here my original map model. Of course, I've been inspired by several other map for climate, relief and ressources. I'm glad by the way there's so few people yelling on how I've put ressources in the map, however, If you aren't happy about it, don't be shy and tell it !

Here's the map :

[WildFire]

Still playing with the first version of the game. Going great so far, even started an hotseat game with it (2 human, going great).

And my single player game is almost in the Industrial ages (saving that for tomorrow) and (on monarch) its easy but hard at the same time.

[The Last Conformist]

Couple GL suggestions:

Poland: Lech Walesa, Jan Kazimierz
Ukraine: Mazeppa
Scotland: William Wallace, Robert Bruce
Romania: Vlad Tepes

[Yoda Power]

Originally posted by Marla_Singer
Oh, and by the way Yoda, If I choose 116x94 instead of 100x100, it was to respect my original model. It's been really hard for me tod determine where was the optimistic position for map borders... should we see Caucasus, Iceland ? Should Scandinavia be "insular" (needing boat to meet other civs) ?

Sure BTW sorry I didn´t send you my map yet, its just that Conquest is so fun I will do it though.

[Yoda Power]

Here is the C3C version. I just added some marches to it and saved it as biq.

[Marla_Singer]

Thanx Yoda

Your version has been added to the zip file in the first post of this thread.

Wildfire, that's great, thanx. Do you know if there's a way for me to download your save game ? Unfortunately, I think save files are too large for Civfanatics.

[Yoda Power]

Originally posted by Marla_Singer
Thanx Yoda

Your version has been added to the zip file in the first post of this thread.

Wildfire, that's great, thanx. Do you know if there's a way for me to download your save game ? Unfortunately, I think save files are too large for Civfanatics.

Not if you use the upload feature.

edit- btw check your mail

[WildFire]

Originally posted by Marla_Singer

Wildfire, that's great, thanx. Do you know if there's a way for me to download your save game ? Unfortunately, I think save files are too large for Civfanatics.

I will try to post it tomorrow, both if you want.

[WildFire]

Save

That'd be the save.

[calgacus]

Originally posted by Marla_Singer

Ok then I'll add an Iron in Sweden. Do you think I should put it near Sweden (where there's already 1) or in the South near Malmö (where there are hills but no iron) ?


I just remind to any reader of these lines that I'm looking for volunteers to find some great leaders for the new civilizations . I have no time to read deep History of 13 countries on my own. Just contributing on one civ would help. I'm sure some of you are coming from one of these 13 countries ! The firsts to propose me some names will be gifted of...

.... all my respect !! (Sorry ! I can offer more... maybe a kiss ? :love2: )

Marla, I've assembled leader/city lists already for most of those civs:


The Thread

The Lists

[calgacus]

Originally posted by The Last Conformist

Scotland: William Wallace, Robert Bruce

OK, here's a special listing:


Military Leaders (from which you may select a leader ) :


Calgacus
Fearghus Mor
Cinaed mac Alpin
Mael-Coluim II
Dauíd I
William Wallace
Robert de Brus
James IV
James VI
Marquess of Montrose (not king)
Bonnie Prince Cherlie

I'd pick Malcolm (Mael-Coluim) II as leader, but I know Robert de Brus is popular and more famous

Scientific Leaders:

(Just Scientists/Inventors)

John Napier
James Watt
James Hutton
James Clerk Maxwell
John Loudon MacAdam
Lord Kelvin
James Dewar
John Dunlop
Robert Watson-Watt
Alexander Graham Bell
John Logie Baird
Alexander Fleming

(OR esle, broader cultural leader list including "scientists")

Johannes Duns Scotus
John Napier
John Knox
David Hume
Adam Smith
Walter Scott
James Hutton
James Clerk Maxwell
Lord Kelvin
Alexander Graham Bell
Alexander Fleming

[sjorrel]

Is there any chance of a standard CIVIII version of this?

Failing that, is there a tool I can use to convert biqs to bics?

[Marla_Singer]

Sjorrel : Well... the map is actually already standard. It's 116x96 which is almost 100x100. In my game which is almost in the modern era, I have no lag with 256 mb of RAM.

calgacus : Thanx a lot ! I'll add your names as soon as I'll have some times to do it.

WildFire : Okay I've seen your game . You've played with 24 civs ! You're courageous! Did you enjoy playing on that map ? (After all, here's the essential)

Yoda Power : I've seen your version of the map. I liked a lot the sandy coast (plains) on the atlantic coast. You're totally right, it's far more realistic. I also enjoy the plains in Russia. Moreover, to remove the forest in Hungary is also a good idea . However, I enjoyed less the mountains between Germany and Poland. It doesn't look realistic. When I've created the map, I decided to put mountains where there are pikes above 2,000 m high. It's not at all the case there. Anyway, most of your changes are good ideas.

The Last Conformist : Thanx again for your names ! If we do a mix between your names and Calgacus' I guess we could give all there GL's to each civ. You deserve my worship .


Everyone : I'm sorry if I didn't answer before. Actually, I've bought Conquests ! I'm working on a scenario now (my first !). It's taking me a lot of time !

The scenario is called (for now) : "July 1914 : On the Eve of War" There's 20 nations and 266 cities. Hope it won't lag. Anyway, here is how look the map of it :

EDITED : The image has been changed to put Cyprus as British.

[Yoda Power]

The mountains between germany and poland are the the mountains surounding Bohemia, the reason I put them is for them to work as a natural border(which they are).

Your scenario looks great! BTW Cyrpess were British at the time

edit-Do you use any new units in the scenario? If not I suggest you do, there are some exelent ww1 units around these forums.

[Marla_Singer]

The mountains between germany and poland are the the mountains surounding Bohemia, the reason I put them is for them to work as a natural border(which they are).

Well, that is true. However, it's not very high. The Jura (The word "jurassic" comes from that) makes the border between France and Switzerland and I've used hills to represent it because... when you see Jura, you realize it's more hills than mountains.

Your scenario looks great! BTW Cyrpess were British at the time

Well, it's called Cyprus in english. I've changed it. Thanx.

Do you use any new units in the scenario? If not I suggest you do, there are some exelent ww1 units around these forums.

Actually, I've just made roads, irrigation and mining. I'm putting the buildings in the cities now. I'm planning to add the units only at the end.

To be honnest, I don't really know how to represent the armies in that scenario. Should I put only Riflemen, Cavalry, Artillery and Ironclad ? What should be the size of each army ? That's the kind of question I'm wondering. Moreover, I don't know which multi-figure units to take.

PS : The Conquest version I've bought is in french. Which means that the scenario would have to be translated in english when it'll come out. Well, we'll talk about it later.

[sjorrel]

Originally posted by Marla_Singer
Sjorrel : Well... the map is actually already standard. It's 116x96 which is almost 100x100. In my game which is almost in the modern era, I have no lag with 256 mb of RAM.

i meant how can i play this in normal CIVIII (i.e. can i get this as a .bic file)?

[The Last Conformist]

Well, the British had something like 28 battleships by July '14, so that unit should definitely be in. And the Rifleman graphics are way too mid-19th C - use the Infantry, which looks pretty WWIesque.

[Marla_Singer]

Ok The Last you're right. Most of civs will get replaceable parts (Except some balkan countries and the ottoman empire).


So here are the units I want to add :
- Expeditionary Corpse : A kind of cheaper and less efficient Infantry.
- Machine Gunners : An artillery that could move faster even if it's less efficient.
- Special Forces : Great attack units but very expensive (training costs).
- Mustard Gas : A kind of "cruise missle" but cheaper and less efficient.


For the Special Forces, I'll just edit the guerilleros which we don't need that much (I think, tell me if I'm wrong). I'll make it invisible (like submarins). For the Mustard Gas, I'll do the same. I'll edit the cruising missile.

However, I've downloaded new graphics for the machine gunners and the expeditionary corpse... and I didn't succeed to add it to the editor !

I've done everything people told me to do. I've created a folder with the same name than my scenario. I've added in a art\units\ folder in which I've put the .ini file, the sound and the .flc files. After that. I've added another folder called text in which I've copied civilopedia.txt and PediaIcons.txt. Then I've edited PediaIcons.txt to add new entries for the new units.

Finaly, I went in my editor, I've written the name of my folder in the scenario properties menu, and I've added a new unit in which I've written PRTO_Machine_Gunners as the civilopedia article.

The trick is that the new icon doesn't appear ! Should it appears with the last number (207) for the icon ? I don't understand ! It makes me mad !

Please help me ! I know I asked already so much from me but I really don't know what to do next

Thanx.