Screenshot of the Day #67: Capital-less

Thunderfall · Nov 27, 2002, 01:33 PM

We may not know the exact conditions that trigger palace improvements, but we do know you don't have to have a palace for the palace improvement message to come up.

This was from GOTM XII. I just let my capital get destroyed, and then my people decided to improve my palace. I didn't have any cities (just a settler). I find it illogical.

http://www.civfanatics.com/sotd/sotd67.jpg

Thanks to Michael York for the screenshot.

cymru_man · Nov 27, 2002, 01:41 PM

Well, they could always offer to improve your tent.

hbdragon88 · Nov 27, 2002, 04:48 PM

We do know the general conditions: you gotta do a lot of great conditions. I was building two wonders - both finished same turn - and my people loved me. Also when I destroyed another Civ to pieces that brought it out too.

I don't quite get it. Why is there that settler there? When your capital is demolished, you get a settler?

Civddict · Nov 27, 2002, 05:10 PM

another bug, another screenshot of a day.

cgannon64 · Nov 27, 2002, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hbdragon88
I don't quite get it. Why is there that settler there? When your capital is demolished, you get a settler?

I guess he built a settler, then had his capital destroyed. I guess that counts as a 'great condition'.

CG

Chieftess · Nov 27, 2002, 05:45 PM

I've often had cities riot and/or have a city captured, and gotten the "The People Love You" message.

hahntsak · Nov 27, 2002, 05:53 PM

hey, he survived anilhilation... that's good.

i sometimews don't do that good....

Silverflame · Nov 27, 2002, 05:59 PM

What exactly do you mean by "let my capital be destroyed"?

hbdragon88 · Nov 28, 2002, 12:12 AM

I guess he moved his units out, and let the capital get captured and razed.

Godinex · Nov 28, 2002, 12:27 PM

poor citizens... no city, no civ, no drink...

Lt. 'Killer' M. · Nov 28, 2002, 02:24 PM

it is soooo easy: they build a Palace tent on a carriage from you

Now they offer to add a roof to it

Zcylen · Nov 28, 2002, 03:05 PM

never happened to me this before...
palace in a non-city-empire? mmm...
what kind of palace will they construct? an invisible? and only the stupids cant see it!

alamo · Nov 28, 2002, 05:33 PM

They could make it check to see if you actually have any cities, but if they bother to do that then it should pop up and say:

The people have abandoned you - you loose!

hbdragon88 · Nov 28, 2002, 06:51 PM

Yeah! Like a capital-regicide like victory:

"We are disgraced!

You have suffered a humiliating defeat"

And maybe a movie, with the people fleeing you.

Zur · Nov 28, 2002, 10:53 PM

I think the message pops up at significant hardcoded landmarks in the game eg.

1) Wonders Built
2) No. of cities
3) Progress of wars
4) Possibly expansion parameters like no. of civs discovered or amt. of land explored

Good work Firaxis for not pegging this solely to the power graph or no. of cities.

silverhawk_civ · Nov 28, 2002, 11:21 PM

I seem to notice my first "The people love you message..." immediately after my first battle victory in the game (usually vs. barbarians.)

Yzman · Nov 28, 2002, 11:44 PM

Well when I was playing a modern day scenario, I got the message that the people loved me. I went to improve the palace and on that one turn i got to put every improvement but one. So I think it has something to do with how far you have progressed.

big-s_snc · Nov 29, 2002, 06:30 PM

i think it's a combination of a few factors
1) a specific accomplishment (e.g. wonder built, civ destroyed,...)
i once got 3 upgrades at once after i had wiped out some civ foolish enough to oppose me
2) whether it is your first time that you accomplished your....accomplishment

3) just luck
just because you did something great doesn't mean they'll get on their knees for you every time (like an elite unit dosn't deliver an army every time it wins), or sometimes vice versa; if you have like all wonders, people could get slightly impressed
this is just a theory, but i think i am pretty close
if anyone has proofs if this is true/false, lemme know, cuz i have also wondered quite some time what the deal with that upgrade was
perhaps a formula like ((luckfactor)*(accomplishment)*(times accomplishment)?

hbdragon88 · Nov 29, 2002, 06:49 PM

It's not luck. The screen says something about "admiring your achievements" so yes, it has to be something great. Building a wonder, and winning victories. I once bought two techs from two civs, and the science advsior was saying "we are technologically advanced"; I got a palace inprovement.

big-s_snc · Nov 29, 2002, 07:26 PM

with luck i mean a chance to trigger the improvement; sometimes you do something great; the next time you do something great and then suddenly an improvement
or maybe it's just a sum in a certain branch? confused :?

Nov 27, 2002, 01:33 PM	#1
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Nov 27, 2002, 01:41 PM	#2
cymru_man Prince Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: UK Posts: 400	Well, they could always offer to improve your tent.

Nov 27, 2002, 04:48 PM	#3
hbdragon88 haunted by blackness Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: somewhere Posts: 3,745	We do know the general conditions: you gotta do a lot of great conditions. I was building two wonders - both finished same turn - and my people loved me. Also when I destroyed another Civ to pieces that brought it out too. I don't quite get it. Why is there that settler there? When your capital is demolished, you get a settler?

Nov 27, 2002, 05:10 PM	#4
Civddict Prince Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 476	another bug, another screenshot of a day.

Nov 27, 2002, 05:45 PM	#6
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Nov 27, 2002, 05:53 PM	#7
hahntsak Clueless Barbarian Fool Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: oakland, ca Posts: 211	hey, he survived anilhilation... that's good. i sometimews don't do that good....

Nov 27, 2002, 05:59 PM	#8
Silverflame OBJECTION! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On the West Coast Posts: 2,111	What exactly do you mean by "let my capital be destroyed"?

Nov 28, 2002, 12:12 AM	#9
hbdragon88 haunted by blackness Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: somewhere Posts: 3,745	I guess he moved his units out, and let the capital get captured and razed.

Nov 28, 2002, 12:27 PM	#10
Godinex Warlord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Somewhere in the World Posts: 193	poor citizens... no city, no civ, no drink...

Nov 28, 2002, 02:24 PM	#11
Lt. 'Killer' M. Deity Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,475	it is soooo easy: they build a Palace tent on a carriage from you Now they offer to add a roof to it

Nov 28, 2002, 03:05 PM	#12
Zcylen Moonlight Rambler Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Monterrey, Mexico Posts: 2,032	never happened to me this before... palace in a non-city-empire? mmm... what kind of palace will they construct? an invisible? and only the stupids cant see it!

Nov 28, 2002, 05:33 PM	#13
alamo bang! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,569	They could make it check to see if you actually have any cities, but if they bother to do that then it should pop up and say: The people have abandoned you - you loose!

Nov 28, 2002, 06:51 PM	#14
hbdragon88 haunted by blackness Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: somewhere Posts: 3,745	Yeah! Like a capital-regicide like victory: "We are disgraced! You have suffered a humiliating defeat" And maybe a movie, with the people fleeing you.

Nov 28, 2002, 10:53 PM	#15
Zur Freaky lozur with spikes Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Punk Rock Heaven Posts: 378	I think the message pops up at significant hardcoded landmarks in the game eg. 1) Wonders Built 2) No. of cities 3) Progress of wars 4) Possibly expansion parameters like no. of civs discovered or amt. of land explored Good work Firaxis for not pegging this solely to the power graph or no. of cities.

Nov 28, 2002, 11:21 PM	#16
silverhawk_civ Chieftain Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 12	I seem to notice my first "The people love you message..." immediately after my first battle victory in the game (usually vs. barbarians.)

Nov 28, 2002, 11:44 PM	#17
Yzman Emperor Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Illinois, USA Posts: 1,760	Well when I was playing a modern day scenario, I got the message that the people loved me. I went to improve the palace and on that one turn i got to put every improvement but one. So I think it has something to do with how far you have progressed.

Nov 29, 2002, 06:30 PM	#18
big-s_snc Chieftain Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: belgium Posts: 2	i think it's a combination of a few factors 1) a specific accomplishment (e.g. wonder built, civ destroyed,...) i once got 3 upgrades at once after i had wiped out some civ foolish enough to oppose me 2) whether it is your first time that you accomplished your....accomplishment 3) just luck just because you did something great doesn't mean they'll get on their knees for you every time (like an elite unit dosn't deliver an army every time it wins), or sometimes vice versa; if you have like all wonders, people could get slightly impressed this is just a theory, but i think i am pretty close if anyone has proofs if this is true/false, lemme know, cuz i have also wondered quite some time what the deal with that upgrade was perhaps a formula like ((luckfactor)(accomplishment)(times accomplishment)?

Nov 29, 2002, 06:49 PM	#19
hbdragon88 haunted by blackness Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: somewhere Posts: 3,745	It's not luck. The screen says something about "admiring your achievements" so yes, it has to be something great. Building a wonder, and winning victories. I once bought two techs from two civs, and the science advsior was saying "we are technologically advanced"; I got a palace inprovement.

Nov 29, 2002, 07:26 PM	#20
big-s_snc Chieftain Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: belgium Posts: 2	with luck i mean a chance to trigger the improvement; sometimes you do something great; the next time you do something great and then suddenly an improvement or maybe it's just a sum in a certain branch? confused :?

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