Obama's a dud, what to do?

Most of the left/centrists have had their confidence shaken in Obama. Hes too liberal for the centrists and too moderate for the left while all the time he has been wasting his momentum in trying to be bipartisan. Not that bipartisan is a bad thing, but sometimes its just impossible to move an elephant that doesn't want to move. Its like Otto von Bismarck said "Have two pokers in the fire." , and the wonders of realpolitik.
 
JollyRoger said:
He's as much of a dud ratings-wise as Reagan and Clinton were at this point in their Presidencies.
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Hmm, good point. The honeymoon wears off and, with a few exceptions, midterm election results tend to hurt for the president in office. I have to remind myself it's a 4 year stint, with 2 more years of governing before the next decision day for us voters.
 
Hygro said:
That's what Obama's is, and Republican individuals have been very receptive (even if they'd still prefer one of their own). However, the powerbrokers--the ones who really want and have a stake in a Republican president--will do everything they can to turn this uniting asset of Obama's into some kind of 'wolf-in-sheep's-clothing', economic-communist,-social-anarchist-in-disguise liability. It's not true of course--Obama's style is one of unity and consensus, of common strenghs and shared hopes. He's a leader who wishes to lead a nation diverse in so many ways. Maybe its his open mindedness and respect for diversity, particularly including republicans and conservatism) that makes him a liberal. But not a leftwinger. He's liberal, but he's not a lefty.

Obama will put the good of our country before his own personal preferences of legislation and rules. In case you want an further pro-republican endorsement of why liberal Obama would still be a fine president even for you guys, The Nation doesn't like him because he puts the common good above the left's good.
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Just don't go digging up my other Obama posts from the past, some of them are pretty poor.
 
Obama is a consensus-building realist, who has reformed healthcare where no-one else could before - it's also not his fault the economy is in trouble. If he was slightly right-wing I would like the guy.

As it is, his moderate path to socialism is more dangerous than the Communist Party, because his methods are effective and he knows it. This is how socialism in Europe made so much progress - by using just these kind of tactics. If Obama loses his base then it will really limit the damage he and the other socialists can do, and America can get back to being America.
 
Ayn Rand said:
As it is, his moderate path to socialism is more dangerous than the Communist Party, because his methods are effective and he knows it. This is how socialism in Europe made so much progress - by using just these kind of tactics. If Obama loses his base then it will really limit the damage he and the other socialists can do, and America can get back to being America.
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Two things (with subthings too!):

1. a) When you talk about Socialism in Europe, what timeframe are you talking about? b) What Europe are you talking about?
2. America getting back to being America. a) When did America stop being America? b) What is the difference between the America now and back when it was America?

(That short little paragraph triggered more questions, but I'm not really in the mood to have you compose a wall of text, which I have to reply on in full. (Since our last encounter there was a little upset when I didn't respond to an extensive post of yours). So, short and concise answers will do fine, and have less chance of you wasting effort when I don't feel like responding to them.)
 
I'm not sure what are the people expecting of him to do to disapprove so greatly. To fly at the great speeds into the depths of ocean and lodge a huge rock over the well like Superman?
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
Two things (with subthings too!):

1. a) When you talk about Socialism in Europe, what timeframe are you talking about? b) What Europe are you talking about?
2. America getting back to being America. a) When did America stop being America? b) What is the difference between the America now and back when it was America?

(That short little paragraph triggered more questions, but I'm not really in the mood to have you compose a wall of text, which I have to reply on in full. (Since our last encounter there was a little upset when I didn't respond to an extensive post of yours). So, short and concise answers will do fine, and have less chance of you wasting effort when I don't feel like responding to them.)
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:)

1a) Post World-War II
b) Silly question

2a) Silly question
2b) Silly question [phrasing]

I can't possibly answer those questions in the way that you have framed them ;)
 
Post World War 2 when everyone owed the Yanks loads of cash (we only paid the war debt off in the UK in the 90s)?
 
Maybe that had a little to do with the post war boom in America eh?
 
Ayn Rand said:
:)

1a) Post World-War II
b) Silly question

2a) Silly question
2b) Silly question [phrasing]

I can't possibly answer those questions in the way that you have framed them ;)
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Well, you were concise, I'll give you that and it's appreciated :)

I'll try to rephrase or expand on them
1 a) Up till now?
1 b) What part of Europe?

2 a) You say America should go back to being America. So I figured there was a time when America strayed from being America. Did this happen last election? Last 20 years? After WWII? WWI? After Founding Fathers. I was curious about a general time not an exact date.
b) Go back to being America is just a bit vague I guess. Sounds like a soundbite your run of the mill politician would utter to have that feel-good-feeling of the old days. You know those old days, when things were better :) Disregard this question.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
Well, you were concise, I'll give you that and it's appreciated :)

I'll try to rephrase or expand on them
1 a) Up till now?
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Yes, and going into the future, temporal anomalies notwithstanding.

Zuggy Starlust said:
1 b) What part of Europe?
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I would struggle to find a part of Europe that has not embraced socialism either completely or partially in the last 60 years. :(

Zaggy Stairdust said:
2 a) You say America should go back to being America. So I figured there was a time when America strayed from being America. Did this happen last election? Last 20 years? After WWII? WWI? After Founding Fathers. I was curious about a general time not an exact date.
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It should go back to being more capitalist, Karl.

Zoggy Starbust said:
b) Go back to being America is just a bit vague I guess. Sounds like a soundbite your run of the mill politician would utter to have that feel-good-feeling of the old days. You know those old days, when things were better :) Disregard this question.
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I mean steer itself away from the temptation of Obama's socialism.


Zoggy, I really feel you know what I meant, so why all the difficult questions?
 
Nationalising some industry generally helped rebuild all the countries in Europe that had been bombed during the war though.
 
Ayn Rand said:
Zoggy, I really feel you know what I meant, so why all the difficult questions?
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The name is Ziggy, I am he whose questions are ridiculously simple. I wanted to know if you were "one of those again". One of those who have this cartoonish idea about the geographical and historical economical landscape of the world.
I would struggle to find a part of Europe that has not embraced socialism either completely or partially in the last 60 years
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I mean steer itself away from the temptation of Obama's socialism.
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And it seems you are. This saves you and me time and effort to reply and counter reply. I have Domination to thank for this new approach of mine. I have seen the sources about economical freedom posted, which were happily ignored. have seen argumentation brushed aside because the clear cut nuance-less black and white picture was much more comforting. I know now what would lie in the future whatever I may post or reason. Thank you Domination for that favour and thank you Ayn Rand for answering my questions.

Have a nice day :)
 
I really don't see him doing anything other than what he promised, well at least largely what he promised.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
The name is Ziggy, I am he whose questions are ridiculously simple. I wanted to know if you were "one of those again". One of those who have this cartoonish idea about the geographical and historical economical landscape of the world.


And it seems you are. This saves you and me time and effort to reply and counter reply. I have Domination to thank for this new approach of mine. I have seen the sources about economical freedom posted, which were happily ignored. have seen argumentation brushed aside because the clear cut nuance-less black and white picture was much more comforting. I know now what would lie in the future whatever I may post or reason. Thank you Domination for that favour and thank you Ayn Rand for answering my questions.

Have a nice day :)
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Can you be any more pretentious? :lol:


This is a thread on Obama, and the potential details involved in the questions you asked me were simply too much to get into on this thread. It's not always possible or appropriate to get into such complexities, which is why we use shorthand to make statements about general opinions or a World View, as I was doing ;)

Now put your dummy back in and accept that not everyone thinks like you and that it doesn't mean they are stupid or nuance-less
 
It is a mystery to me why some are so dissatisfied/hopelessly depressed with regards to his Presidency. :dunno:
 
Socialism is teh evil and making up stuff to invade countries spending billions is super-duper I think.
 
Ayn Rand said:
I would struggle to find a part of Europe that has not embraced socialism either completely or partially in the last 60 years. :(
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It's called Social Democracy and look, the countries that embraced it the most (Scandinavia) is doing fine, in many areas better than America.
 
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