All Leaders Challenge Game 19: Sumer/Gilgamesh

actually, a cottage on a dye is better than a dye because the dye would at 1 to the cottaged square. but if those are the only dyes available on the continent, then you should eb able to trade them for some nice things.

about moving: i'm not a big fan of a coastal capital on maps where most of my cities are inland, particularly with no seafood. the water tiles won't ever improve (except with statues, and i'd not use that here with not-so-many water tiles), which makes me pout. yes i'm contradicting myself there. they tend to not be central for maintenance costs (i haven't run SP in any of my BtS games). but you can move the palace eventually, so it's certainly not a game-deciding final decision. i can't say that i'll keep silent if others debate it for 6 pages tho!

MrFelony said:

actually, a cottage on a dye is better than a dye because the dye would at 1 to the cottaged square.

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isn't the +4 from a plantation over and above the +1 that the base tile gives? quit typing start experimenting permanoob, sheesh.

anyway, i'd definitely farm the dyes first and then plantationerize 'em. if we want towns on them when PP/FS come along, by then chances are we'll be near the emanc phase so they'd grow sorta kinda fast, and the extra commerce earlyish will be spiffy.

Sisiutil said:

Dye also enables the built-in +1 from Theatres, and since Gilgamesh is Creative, those cheap buildings are even cheaper for him--good synergy there. I think I'll therefore want to make Drama a priority in the latter part of the early game, and get the Globe Theatre built somewhere so I can whip or draft units from it without penalty.

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edit: the game hasn't even started and i learned something already! never occurred to me that creative's cheap temples means a cheaper (as far as prep time) Globe. spiffy!

ps you're the reason i finally upgraded to 3.13. i've come to really like seeing your saves of the game in progress! i expect this one to be lots of fun. gilga isn't a leader i've been interested in playing yet, i'd rather observe *giggle*

Moving the warrior E or N looks to reveal the same amount of NE tiles (6), with N revealing one coast tile in the W. Settling in place looks to be production heavy, especially with the 2 more grassland? hills out in the fog to the ESE, which is precisely what you what for a vulture rush. It's a little food short though, so you'd probably have to farm the dyes. All in all, I see little reason to move.

3 options.

Option 1 - move warrior 1SW. If there's any sea resource revealed, then move settler 1NW and Build City.

Option 2 - move warrior 1NE. Settler to build where currently positioned unless anything major pops up.

Option 3 - Regen Map.

TM Moot said:

Option 3 - Regen Map.

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Winner, though will be a very interesting game with this map.

Deleted due to not knowing about posting any spoilers, please edit the quote post.

I'm off to play this game as this is a fantastic challenge.

Gocho said:

Map spoiler:

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Don't post spoilers!!!!

Somebody will probably respond giving away what you say and that will ruin things.

Cheers.

manu-fan said:

Don't post spoilers!!!!

Somebody will probably respond giving away what you say and that will ruin things.

Cheers.

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I agree. .

manu fan you probably want to edit your quote to remove the spoiler from it too..

I agree too

KMadCandy said:

actually, i just checked. a town in and of itself is exactly the same as a plantation, +4c. it's only after you add in printing press and free speech (UniSuff too if applicable) that the town is better.

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The GPT from trading the surplus dyes will probably make it worthwhile to put plantations on all the dye tiles as opposed to towns (and they can also be used for diplomatic relations boosts as tributes).

As far as Dye, my opinion is you get the commerce alot faster from plantations and they can be easily rebuilt if pillaged. I say farm the dyes until calender, then build plantations.

Here's another thought if you're thinking of not settling in place: move the warrior SW and the setter 1N to the hill. Then on the second turn, move the warrior 1S onto the grasslands hill. Then on the second turn you can settle on the hill, on the dye, back at the original location, or somewhere else depending on what is revealed. This sacrifices 1 turn but gives you the most information about your initial options.

Capitols on the coast get the best Trade Routes, so do not discount moving to the coast - plus it opens up the coastal wonders (not that we are likely to build them without serious commitment)

To the S man:

Move warrior north , and unless you find something really good, settle in place

To the spoiler people ( I'm going to use them )

r_rolo1 said:

To the S man:

Move warrior north , and unless you find something really good, settle in place

To the spoiler people ( I'm going to use them )

Spoiler :

Being isolated is a good way of showing one of the strengths of Gilgamesh: ReXing. The S man will have to overcome the foreing trade routes and the tech trades of the AI, and for that there is only one way: having more citizens working tiles of being specialists than the common AI. There are two ways of doing that: having more cites and/or more populated ones.
For that I reccomend Oracling Monarchy: the Oracle tech already gives the UB ( enabling full ReXing ) and Monarchy gives HR, that enables big cities.
IMHO this is not a regen ( too bad that the UU will be simply barb police )

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I vote for regen because of a compelling spoiler reason. The Leader and Race trait synergy just wouldn't flow in this game. But not every game would be .. ideal or normal even. There are some games were the dealer deals you a crappy hand.

KMadCandy said:

Spoiler our new Chieftess, Carabodes :

oh we all learn at our own pace, there are various difficulties for a reason . you say chieftess, does that mean i have another female poster in this swarm of testosterone? howdy! i should warn you, they'll tease you if you giggle. if you're like me, that'll make you giggle more.

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To all the guys out there: Beware and very afraid, the *giggling* ladies are joining forces!
Edit: (And our present spoilers have nothing whatsoever to do with the current game.)

settle in place... settle 1 N... move warrior 1 N... move warrior 1 E...

...just settle.

this is my least-favorite part of these games.

peace out - have a good game