[BtS] World of Civilization - New Modular Loading Standard

ruffriders23 · Dec 9, 2007

All the bug seems to do is hang up the game until you minimize the game and ignore it. If you try to debug it, it will crash the game. Outside of that, I love the mod. The ranged bombardment is nice, but I wish more people will include a pirate or barbarian civ in their mods.

TAfirehawk · Dec 9, 2007

Sword_Of_Geddon said:
I've heard your including Diversica in this as well is that true?

The WoC Team is not.....we are not going to "convert" very many mods, just enough to play a decent game and provide examples. Original mod makers will be doing the conversions

ruffriders23 said:
All the bug seems to do is hang up the game until you minimize the game and ignore it. If you try to debug it, it will crash the game. Outside of that, I love the mod. The ranged bombardment is nice, but I wish more people will include a pirate or barbarian civ in their mods.

Sorry, I forgot to say for you to press Ignore All

And we have Pirate Civ done....just not in this version yet :mischief:

ruffriders23 · Dec 9, 2007

Oh come on... YOU'RE KILLING ME! Put the Pirate Civ in!!!

mamba · Dec 9, 2007

TAfirehawk said:
The WoC Team is not.....we are not going to "convert" very many mods, just enough to play a decent game and provide examples. Original mod makers will be doing the conversions

Dang, would have saved me some time

TAfirehawk · Dec 10, 2007

ruffriders23 said:
Oh come on... YOU'RE KILLING ME! Put the Pirate Civ in!!!

You can access everything we have on the Sourceforge.net SVN....

While we want to make this fun for the players on first release....we won't be releasing alot of Modules to start, but will be releasing more every week, probably on Fridays.

The real power/advantage of the WoC is when other modders make their work compatible....then the player gets unlimited choices on how/what they want to play.

mamba · Dec 10, 2007

I have been thinking about how flexible this really is, but while it lifts all kinds of technical restrictions, there still will remain some logical restrictions.

For example, the tech tree needs to be coordinated, layout and dependency wise. You cannot remove or add a tech without adjusting the tech after it (to tell it it now has a different predecessor), of course if you remove a tech, all units which require it need to be adjusted as well etc. So even with WoC there needs to be some coordination when merging mods.

To make the integration easier, there probably should be some conventions established (where to put files, what to call them, how to structure files (i.e. what part of a definition goes there), are you working on anything in that direction ?

TAfirehawk · Dec 11, 2007

mamba said:
I have been thinking about how flexible this really is, but while it lifts all kinds of technical restrictions, there still will remain some logical restrictions.

For example, the tech tree needs to be coordinated, layout and dependency wise. You cannot remove or add a tech without adjusting the tech after it (to tell it it now has a different predecessor), of course if you remove a tech, all units which require it need to be adjusted as well etc. So even with WoC there needs to be some coordination when merging mods.

To make the integration easier, there probably should be some conventions established (where to put files, what to call them, how to structure files (i.e. what part of a definition goes there), are you working on anything in that direction ?

All of this is either has been addressed and done....or we are working on it.

Dependencies will be handled by the WoC Chooser or front end program as we have called it. The tech tree is real pain and we have some solutions but we need more coders on the Project to get all of this done.

Files and their structure are already in place....it is what you have already as examples.

Nothing will ever be perfect, but the WoC Standard is lightyears ahead of the BtS system.

mamba · Dec 11, 2007

TAfirehawk said:
The tech tree is real pain and we have some solutions but we need more coders on the Project to get all of this done.

About the only thing which imo would solve the tech tree problem (or at least reduce it) were if the layout were not done based on the info provided n the tech definitions but simply by the graph which is set up by the definitions based on what their predecessors are.

Nothing will ever be perfect, but the WoC Standard is lightyears ahead of the BtS system.

It already is.

One (last ?) question, since your dll includes some code like Bhruics changes etc., are there any options to disabe the additions you have made (apart from what is needed for the odular xml), e.g. based on some .ini file ?

TAfirehawk · Dec 12, 2007

mamba said:
One (last ?) question, since your dll includes some code like Bhruics changes etc., are there any options to disabe the additions you have made (apart from what is needed for the odular xml), e.g. based on some .ini file ?

Bhruic's fixes, AutoAI, 36 Civs are all on....maybe a couple of other things I don't know about and the rest is tied to the Modular XML.

No INI to turn things on/off...Extended City Radius has INI to configure it though.

rockinroger · Dec 14, 2007

Added Esnaz animated leaderhead for hungary, and zervers for hungary also.

Freakwave · Dec 15, 2007

Wow this has got to be the theory of everything of civ mods!

TAfirehawk · Dec 15, 2007

Freakwave said:
Wow this has got to be the theory of everything of civ mods!

Well after we struggled with ViSa for Warlords we found the Firaxis modding system very poor for big mods....in BtS they helped slightly....but now with the WoC, it is possible.

V2.00 will be the FULL package for the players.....v1.00 is more for modders and "early adopters"

Commander Bello · Dec 15, 2007

by the way, if somebody creates a small module, where do you expect people to post it?

rockinroger · Dec 15, 2007

If you have the svn downloaded there is a folder there, Module Upload Area. Put the mod there.

Edit:
Perhaps it would be easier to post on cfc and give us a link. You might need access for the SVN and TaFirehawk is having company this weekend, so he cant grant that till probably Monday.

TAfirehawk · Dec 15, 2007

rockinroger said:
If you have the svn downloaded there is a folder there, Module Upload Area. Put the mod there.

Edit:
Perhaps it would be easier to post on cfc and give us a link. You might need access for the SVN and TaFirehawk is having company this weekend, so he cant grant that till probably Monday.

Sorry Roger....we won't grant access to the entire civ community....I need to look at different permission levels across the WoC SVN.

I hope to find a way to open up that folder or add a new SVN project for "3rd Party Apps" to the WoC.

ruffriders23 · Dec 15, 2007

oh screw the SVN thing and lets get the full blown 2.00 release out!

rockinroger · Dec 16, 2007

Its coming Ruff, be patient, few more things to iron out.

ruffriders23 · Dec 16, 2007

Cool... Visa was my favorite and now WOC has taken the #1 spot. Keep up the great work on an awesome mod!

TAfirehawk · Dec 16, 2007

ruffriders23 said:
oh screw the SVN thing and lets get the full blown 2.00 release out!

I would say that V2.00 is 2-3-4 months out....

V1.00 is within a month or less.

And the SVN is mostly for modders, not players.

ruffriders23 · Dec 16, 2007

aw come on... quit the job... leave the wife... sell the kids on Ebay. WE WANT SOME WOC!!!

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