The Aztecs in the Brave New World

Evie94

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How has everyone been playing the Aztecs? Which VC do you feel they arre best suited for?

In GNK they were actually my go-to Civ for Culture. Sacrifical Captives + Honour, puppet several Capitals, annexing when specialists come into it and using Floating Gardens to maintain City Growth and freeing up the Artist specialists.

I'm imagining Science?
 
How about: any?

SPs = good for anything (see Poland). Actually everything else Aztec have also is nice for any Victory condition. Early UU --> Barb hunting --> Extra culture and CS allies. Jungle = a tad more science. Floating gardens: more food, more everything.
 
How about: any?

SPs = good for anything (see Poland). Actually everything else Aztec have also is nice for any Victory condition. Early UU --> Barb hunting --> Extra culture and CS allies. Jungle = a tad more science. Floating gardens: more food, more everything.

so you wouldn't advise going for other Civs early on? no Jaguar rush, just on the Barbs?
 
If your target is on a hill with an archer or bush walls it's likely to fail with jaguars to take a city; so definitely a no for that (maybe below Prince diff.).
Taking a neighbor's worker(s), settler(s), and pillaging their improvements/caravans early on can cripple them long term. And without the diplomatic hit or the difficulty of taking a city like you describe. I'll often do this with the Aztecs, especially if a neighbor tries settling a good spot too close to me. The fact that you can maybe earn a policy or two out of the deal makes it even better.
 
Meeting an early neighbor with the Aztecs often = auto declaration of war for me. As long as you don't capture a city the world won't be too upset with you and like others mentioned you can cripple a rival for the rest of the game. Having a few waiting Jaguars around turn 40-50 when AI settlers are likely to start appearing can really screw up the opposition.
 
I would love to see someone lay out a good Aztec opening strategy for emperor and up.
 
I often play with raging barbarians and honor with the aztecs. Awesome culture buffs.
 
Honestly playing Aztecs makes no sense to me, u could just play Poland put on SP in honour now you have the exact same UA as the Aztecs and you have your own UA, not considering the other UB and UU but I still think the Aztecs are insanely weak :(
 
Honestly playing Aztecs makes no sense to me, u could just play Poland put on SP in honour now you have the exact same UA as the Aztecs and you have your own UA, not considering the other UB and UU but I still think the Aztecs are insanely weak :(

It's not exactly the same UA. If you're aztec and you spent one point in honor you get doubled culture points from enemy kills. But yes, the Poland comparison is somewhat accurate.
 
Honestly playing Aztecs makes no sense to me, u could just play Poland put on SP in honour now you have the exact same UA as the Aztecs and you have your own UA, not considering the other UB and UU but I still think the Aztecs are insanely weak :(

Well, I know I'd rather have the Floating Gardens than the Ducal Stable. Food growth is a big deal. Also, "enemy units" is much broader than "barbarians," and lasts a lot longer. Poland is top tier, though. Edit: As for the Jaguar: it's nice because the melee warrior line upgrades more nicely than a Lancer replacement, and Jaguars keep their promotions.

Oh, and there's another benefit to actually generating culture, instead of getting free policies, which is that free policies don't benefit your culture score unless you pick a policy that does so. Getting raw culture, on the other hand, gives you "hit points" against Tourism influence. Something to keep in mind.
 
I use a three city tradition opener and take points in honor until renessaince then I'll open rationalism and secularism and finish up the left side of honor once that's done start warring and don't stop.
 
And Floating Gardens and Temple of Artemis boost gross food, not net food, so that's +25% for both of them. I love to get both of those and pump food to the capital with internal trade routes.
 
And Floating Gardens and Temple of Artemis boost gross food, not net food, so that's +25% for both of them. I love to get both of those and pump food to the capital with internal trade routes.

And add Fertility Rites, Tradition, and Swords into Plowshares for extra lulz. :crazyeye:

That's 25% food, 40% growth, and free aqueducts in all (assuming you play tall) of your cities!
 
so you wouldn't advise going for other Civs early on? no Jaguar rush, just on the Barbs?

It's pretty hard to take cities without siege units. My advice is to build enough Jaguars to constantly hunt barbarians. Kill them near/inside the borders of city states you want to be allied with and use them to extort money from the rest. Lay siege to the notorious city spammers (Catherine, Alex, Washinton...) and steal their workers and settlers if they're reasonably close. You can field a relatively large Jaguar army that pays for itself because you can pillage encampments faster than any other civ thanks to the healing bonus after killing. You're also much better at hunting barbarians because if the movement and combat bonus in jungles and forests.

Honestly playing Aztecs makes no sense to me, u could just play Poland put on SP in honour now you have the exact same UA as the Aztecs and you have your own UA, not considering the other UB and UU but I still think the Aztecs are insanely weak :(

The Aztecs are one of the strongest -if not the strongest- civs in the game. Poland can put a point in Honor. OK. The Aztecs can also puit a point in Honor and they'll now have twice the culture from kills. They also have the Jaguar which is the single best units to hunt barbarians. The UA also works on a completely different level from the Plolish one. Poland gets a lot of additional policies, but they only shine in the mid to late game. The Aztec UA doesn't give you more than one or two policies overall, but you'll get your first five to six policies much faster than anyone else. This means either insanely early free Aqueducts or a Great Prophet from Liberty to found the first religion without any investment in Piety or Stonehenge. That's imho much stronger than one free policy at Classical, one at Medieval, one at Renaissance and so on...
Then there's of course all the free food from Floating Gardens (which works quite well with insanely early free Aqueducts as you probably can imagine.)
The Aztec UA would be mediocre if it didn't have such awesome synergy with their UA and UB, but it does have awesome synergy.
 
For me Aztecs is one of warmongerin civs. Since UA works if you fight something, and Barbarians run out at some point. Honor is still horrible, but getting both gold and culture from kills make it much better deal.
 
Aztecs, in my opinion, is one of the most fun Civs to play. You can pursue pretty much anything, and if you combine the Floating Gardens with Temple of Artemis, and internal trade routes, your cities can become absolutely massive. It seems to me, the best way to play is a small three or four city empire focused on growth in the early game, maybe some defensive wars to farm culture and unit promotions. At the midgame, you can pretty much just choose whatever direction you want to go from there. I enjoyed myself going autocracy, taking the capitals of my culture competitors and cruising into a nice culture victory.
 
It's pretty hard to take cities without siege units. My advice is to build enough Jaguars to constantly hunt barbarians. Kill them near/inside the borders of city states you want to be allied with and use them to extort money from the rest. Lay siege to the notorious city spammers (Catherine, Alex, Washinton...) and steal their workers and settlers if they're reasonably close. You can field a relatively large Jaguar army that pays for itself because you can pillage encampments faster than any other civ thanks to the healing bonus after killing. You're also much better at hunting barbarians because if the movement and combat bonus in jungles and forests.



The Aztecs are one of the strongest -if not the strongest- civs in the game. Poland can put a point in Honor. OK. The Aztecs can also puit a point in Honor and they'll now have twice the culture from kills. They also have the Jaguar which is the single best units to hunt barbarians. The UA also works on a completely different level from the Plolish one. Poland gets a lot of additional policies, but they only shine in the mid to late game. The Aztec UA doesn't give you more than one or two policies overall, but you'll get your first five to six policies much faster than anyone else. This means either insanely early free Aqueducts or a Great Prophet from Liberty to found the first religion without any investment in Piety or Stonehenge. That's imho much stronger than one free policy at Classical, one at Medieval, one at Renaissance and so on...
Then there's of course all the free food from Floating Gardens (which works quite well with insanely early free Aqueducts as you probably can imagine.)
The Aztec UA would be mediocre if it didn't have such awesome synergy with their UA and UB, but it does have awesome synergy.

Except that liberty doesn't give a GProphet anymore :)
I agree with the rest of the points tough.And I m quite sure it gives you more than one or two policies if you wage war the whole game.
I recently played an aztec game and it was such a pleasure. The UU is just great and never gets old since it keeps everything when upgraded.
On one of my border with siam , ethiopia and songhai there was a rather big chunk of jungle. at some point I had two super hero (cover II , march , rough terrain III + Jaguar promos) riflemens battling their armies alone for quite some turns...it was uberfun.
 
The comparison between the Aztecs and Poland is easy to make, but not exactly accurate. Judging them solely on social policies, Poland gets additional ones at regular intervals throughout the game, but the Aztecs tend to accrue more early-on, especially if they adopt Honor first-off and go crazy barb hunting, but it tends to taper off later game. This leads to different outcomes, since, as the Aztecs, a lot of your social policy advantages are inevitably going to end up in those early policy trees, while with Poland you'll end up investing across the board, opening Rationalism as soon as it's opened and getting some options with ideologies.

But really, the specifics lend themselves to wildly different strategies. That continuous stream of culture from kills, coupled with the huge food boosts from the Gardens and the super awesomeness of the Jaguars, makes a unique tall aggressive strategy very viable, and early on your capital can easily be the biggest city on the map. They fit into a weird sort of tall Honor strategy, since Honor makes killing units easier (but doesn't make conquest itself easier, which is the biggest thing), which means you can sweep your way through more culture, and easily fill out both it and Tradition. Later on, they lend themselves extremely well to a culture-based Autocracy game, given their unique ability doesn't wear off, and so you'll still want to make good use of that. Throughout the game they really do well with a military-culture hybrid, which, of course, makes perfect sense for the Aztecs.

Poland, on the other hand, doesn't lend itself well to excessive early aggression, because they don't get much to support it. However, the Ducal Stable gets cities lots and lots of delicious gold and production, which makes a wide, sprawling empire far more attractive. There's also the notion of timing to consider - free policies at every era means you're able to dip into a policy tree once it's immediately unlocked. Rushing into Renaissance and getting a guaranteed Rationalism opening is EXTREMELY attractive, especially since it furthers science, which means you get more free policies even sooner. Since the Ducal Stable lends itself so well to a wide empire, going into Order is a very good plan. ...Or you could do entirely different things. You do unlock Commerce and Exploration as soon as they're opened, so plunging into those means you could make lotsa the moneys and run a huge coastal trading empire. Or you can go Aesthetics instantly and pump up the culture. Or head into Patronage. Poland is a very jack of all trades civ, leaning towards doing well with a wide empire. But they don't do as well so very focused on making an elite culture squad military.

So yes, what you really want to do with the Aztecs is build up a core of super high-promoted Jaguars and stuff, and just, cleanse the world of its military. Be the king of barbarians by wiping them out as much as you can, and pillaging and killing passing units all for yourself. You don't have to conquer cities, in fact, I'd reccomend against that. More enemy cities means more units they can pump out which means more culture. And continue to do this all game. Fill out Honor, make your units awesome, fill out Tradition and Patronage, pump up your cities to being huge with all that culture you're amassing, go Autocracy, make your units even MORE awesome (going with the Legacy and just storming through the resident big militaristic empire is a great idea to amass loads of culture in one fell swoop), and just absolutely dominate with raw culture. You don't HAVE to win a culture victory, you can easily just get in the way of other people winning one and aim for whatever you want.
 
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