So this whole discussion is just over semantics? Or are you people really scared that Steam might hack your porn collection? What the hell is the problem/going on?
So this whole discussion is just over semantics? Or are you people really scared that Steam might hack your porn collection? What the hell is the problem/going on?
The reality is that you, me and everybody else here is so insignificant in the greater scheme of things that the information we contain on our home computers simply isn't worth the time, effort or risk to get at. The greatest risk is that somebody will exploit a vulnerability to show you ads so they can take somebody elses money (the advertiser) or to steal your virtual resources through CPU power and bandwidth to propogate their ads across the Internet with the same goal. Your truely sensitive information, excluding the naked pictures of your best friend's wife anyway, is already stored on a computer somewhere else along with that same sensitive information from thousands or millions of other people and THAT computer is the one you need to worry about. THAT computer also happens to be one that you have absolutely no control over, in fact it may not even be a computer, it may be a HDD from a 'smart' copier that your insurance agent sold to somebody in China that still contains lots of fun things like your birth certificate or extensive medical records.I was considering to sandbox steam, as it doesn't bother me what it spies out in a virtual machine and I can reliably restrain it from breaking out. But then I heard it is reported to not always work in sandboxes. Does anyone have practical experience with that?
Then, Ori found some strong indications that there actually IS some access and apparently (small) data transfer going back and forth. Now the "defenders" are on retreat and have turned to semantics (in these regards, you are right with your assumption) and are explaining, that as long as Valve doesn't explicitly exclude such accesses and data transfers, the other side would have no right to complain about the (in their eyes, misleading) term "offline mode".
You assume that Steam is good and then you go looking for "evidence" that proves it. You have no reason to think that the magic kilobyte does anything right, but because you think steam is good, the kilobyte must be evidence of this.
Its like the creationists saying fossils are evidence of a flood, not of a billions year old planet.
honestly, this made my day using this argument against an european poster i still can´t believe it ...
It doesn't work that way. If you think it's evil, provide the evidence for its demonic purposes.
It doesn't work that way. If you think it's not evil, provide the evidence for its non demonic purposes.
How you was able to see this in my post? It was not suitable and funny, but european superiorityAs an apparent superior European poster
Now you know i saw that he made a comparision to make his argument, so it´s part of his argument.
let me counter:
Why do you believe i think steam is evil? Steam is as evil / as good as any other firm. So why should i trust Valve more than i trust any other firm. Valve, like other firms, wants to make money, nothing bad about this. Always this black and white arguments in this discussion.
Well, you did find it hilarious that he would call you a creationist (not that he did, but yeah), you being a european and all and apparantly exempt from illogical thought.How you was able to see this in my post? It was not suitable and funny, but european superiority
What money could they possibly make with a KB of data being transmitted? For godssake, you don't even have an argument, why keep going on about it.
You must know me much better than i know myself. Commenting a post is one things. Starting to spread assumption about a poster another.all and apparantly exempt from illogical thought.
Noone should prove that it is 'good'. If someone thinks there's something fishy going on they should deliver the evidence, obviously.
90% of the software installed on your computer calls home to check for updates now and then I think you are making a big deal out of nothing.
You assume that Steam is evil and then you go looking for "evidence" that proves it. You have no reason to think that the magic kilobyte does anything wrong, but because you think steam is evil, the kilobyte must be evidence of this.