Expansion pack announced - Civilization V: Gods & Kings
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TheMarshmallowBear
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Drama on the topic! We need moar news to discuss, we're running out of things to discuss xD
RD-BH
Human
Wow, actually I'm a minister (Christian).
My comment is about game mechanics ...
... what religion could do in Civ5
These were some of the ways religion was used in Civ4.
Not to mention what Merriam was like in SMAC/X.
truenarnian
Emperor
Believe me when I say I have zero interest in participating in a flame war or contributing to one, but I thought I'd just point out how important learning, education, scientific endeavor is in Jewish thinking, and then point to the proportionally phenomenal contribution that Jewish people have made to scientific advance. I'm not Jewish, just sort of in awe at the accomplishments of a relatively small ethno-religious group.
I don't know as much about the Persian and Islamic contributions, but didn't they basically revolutionize mathematics and astronomy?
Polytheistic Egypt and astronomy? Polytheistic Maya and astronomy?
Not that religion explicitly contributed, but simply that it didn't hinder.
truenarnian
Emperor
Hmm. Until relatively recently, that is.
Maybe "Evolution" should be a tech that introduces science penalties on any civ whose religion includes tenants of monotheism and fundamentalist?
Sorry, I don't see anything good that can happen from that.
Peng Qi
Emperor
Oh I know! It would make fatheads feel better about themselves on BOTH sides!
I'm most interested in the promised 'inflection' in world relations when religion recedes and ideologies come to the fore.
The core issue with Civ4, aside from religions being just a win/win gold/happiness balancer for everyone and being fairly generic is that you can play the religion crutch in your diplomatic game for the entire game.
Gucumatz
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I wonder if there will be a limit on religions possible to found in a game depending on the Size. For example Small 3-4, Standard 4-5, Large 5-6, etc.
Perhaps I don't understand the mechanics well enough, but it seems otherwise everyone will want to found their own religion and there won't be any positive relations of nations with one another and rather another negative bonus against one another (Making is harder for the AI to like someone).
Perhaps I don't understand the mechanics well enough, but it seems otherwise everyone will want to found their own religion and there won't be any positive relations of nations with one another and rather another negative bonus against one another (Making is harder for the AI to like someone).
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TheMarshmallowBear
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Anybody has a time machine so I coudl go to May and get the expnansion pack early
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Surely Irene if they want a female, Zoe if desperate. Theodora was a non-entity. All Macedonians up to Basil II did pretty well, including the ones who weren't Macedonian (John, Nicephoros). Justinian was arguably a Roman Emperor.
You mean like burning the Library of Alexandria? or making astronomy that deviated from the (incorrect) orthodoxy a form of heresy? I suppose burning the witches must have lead to all sorts of discoveries, in combustion and pain and stuff.
Interesting where did you come by that information? Have you ever heard of the Spanish Inquisition? I suppose you feel those mad priests loved innovation? In Christian kingdoms, such as Spain, accusations of heresy and subsequent executions caused many setbacks in scientific research. People in many areas were simply afraid to come forth with something that would go against God's law.
Now under Islam, science was viewed far differently, innovation abounded and scientific research was viewed holistically. So you are right in that many areas research was favored. That is why Islamic nations had more knowledge or were ahead of the game in math, science, medicine, and in the preservation of classical antiquity and studies of earlier cultures, compared to Christian kingdoms. Of course we see this revival of classical antiquity in Spain during the onset of the Reconquista. Although it was a slow process the new world certainly helped to advance the old as time pushed forward.
PAVLOS_GR300
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Interesting where did you come by that information? Have you ever heard of the Spanish Inquisition? I suppose you feel those mad priests loved innovation? In Christian kingdoms, such as Spain, accusations of heresy and subsequent executions caused many setbacks in scientific research. People in many areas were simply afraid to come forth with something that would go against God's law.
Now under Islam, science was viewed far differently, innovation abounded and scientific research was viewed holistically. So you are right in that many areas research was favored. That is why Islamic nations had more knowledge or were ahead of the game in math, science, medicine, and in the preservation of classical antiquity and studies of earlier cultures, compared to Christian kingdoms. Of course we see this revival of classical antiquity in Spain during the onset of the Reconquista. Although it was a slow process the new world certainly helped to advance the old as time pushed forward.
i agree to u about the catholics science restriction but that doesnt apply to the orthodox countrys which were open and were a lot more democratic as there wasnt a pope and the priests werent rich people and werent corrupt like the catholic ones.fo u remember the forgivness papers were the catholics had to pay a lot of money to the priest to forgive his mistakes?in the orthodox states the church many times gave its wealth to save byzantium from an economic crisis .so in my opinion some religions like christianity should be diversed in two parts because of their big differences
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sadsquid
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Really excited for this Expansion, it's exactly what Civ V needs. Looks to be a pretty decently sized XP too.
I wasn't a fan of espionage in Civ IV, and religion was ok, but wasn't implemented quite as well as it could have been, so I'm interested to see the changes they make to them for V.
I wasn't a fan of espionage in Civ IV, and religion was ok, but wasn't implemented quite as well as it could have been, so I'm interested to see the changes they make to them for V.
KrikkitTwo
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Well you have resources to spend if you want to found a religion, so it should be a trade off.
Found my own religion: get the benefits I want (unless someone else grabbed those benefits first)
OR
Follow someone elses religion: get better relationships with them: get the benefits of their religion (which may be the ones I want most): and use my faith for something else.
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