noto2
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So I played Civ 4 for about 7 years or something... I'll probably regret the thousands of hours invested in it when I'm old and grey, but whatever, it was the best game I ever played.
I finally made the jump to Civ 5... and I'm a little worried. I dabbled and "practiced" a few times, playing about 3 games up to about turn 100 to get a feel for different things in the game, at prince level (or the neutral one, whatever it's called) and then I sat down to have my first "real" game, and played a game at King level. Not only did I win but it seemed too easy. Perhaps I just had a lucky game.
I played Egypt, had a good start I suppose, and was isolated on my own little landmass so I didn't have to worry about an early invasion, which allowed me to just spam wonders everywhere. I got a cultural victory but got it late, in 2007 because I had no idea what I was doing and was figuring out how the tourism thing worked as I went along. I ended the game far ahead in science, with the most land and population (I expanded overseas to get coal and oil) and the largest military, and was allied with every city state in the game.
I did take diplomacy seriously and got Spain as friendly early on..
Anyway, what worries me is that I spent the first 1/2-2/3 of the game without any military at all, and no one attacked me. In Civ 4 it's difficult to pull that off, you can do it but you've really got to understand the mechanics of diplomacy well. I'm brand new to this game, however.
When war finally did come, Indonesia attacked my overseas colonies, I was ahead in tech but had barely any units, and still managed to easily defend myself. Fighting defensive wars in this game is SO MUCH easier than in Civ 4, which is something that I think is a good change, actually, since in Civ 4 there wasn't really any advantage to the defender.
This is NOT a rant thread on Civ 5. I found the game interesting. Some things I really like are the city state system, social policies, religions, and the new tourism system. I really enjoyed getting an alliance of city states going, that was fun.
I've only got 1 game in, so I know it's soon to judge, but I'm worried that the AI seemed really passive and that the huge bonus to the defender in warfare will make it nearly impossible for the AI to pose a serious threat to me. This is very different from Civ4 where the AI could build enormous stacks of units and derail my plans with an invasion, even if I could win the war they could do enough damage to me to knock me out of the running for a win. Another thing the AI did in Civ 4 was fight itself, and win. One civ could quickly amass a bunch of vassal states and become an unstoppable juggernaut, so it was more difficult to play a passive builder game - you couldn't expect to just sit there building wonder after wonder and not be bothered by anyone. Ultimately that made the game fun because I knew the AI, most of the time, wouldn't just stand by and let me win, I had to earn it.
I finally made the jump to Civ 5... and I'm a little worried. I dabbled and "practiced" a few times, playing about 3 games up to about turn 100 to get a feel for different things in the game, at prince level (or the neutral one, whatever it's called) and then I sat down to have my first "real" game, and played a game at King level. Not only did I win but it seemed too easy. Perhaps I just had a lucky game.
I played Egypt, had a good start I suppose, and was isolated on my own little landmass so I didn't have to worry about an early invasion, which allowed me to just spam wonders everywhere. I got a cultural victory but got it late, in 2007 because I had no idea what I was doing and was figuring out how the tourism thing worked as I went along. I ended the game far ahead in science, with the most land and population (I expanded overseas to get coal and oil) and the largest military, and was allied with every city state in the game.
I did take diplomacy seriously and got Spain as friendly early on..
Anyway, what worries me is that I spent the first 1/2-2/3 of the game without any military at all, and no one attacked me. In Civ 4 it's difficult to pull that off, you can do it but you've really got to understand the mechanics of diplomacy well. I'm brand new to this game, however.
When war finally did come, Indonesia attacked my overseas colonies, I was ahead in tech but had barely any units, and still managed to easily defend myself. Fighting defensive wars in this game is SO MUCH easier than in Civ 4, which is something that I think is a good change, actually, since in Civ 4 there wasn't really any advantage to the defender.
This is NOT a rant thread on Civ 5. I found the game interesting. Some things I really like are the city state system, social policies, religions, and the new tourism system. I really enjoyed getting an alliance of city states going, that was fun.
I've only got 1 game in, so I know it's soon to judge, but I'm worried that the AI seemed really passive and that the huge bonus to the defender in warfare will make it nearly impossible for the AI to pose a serious threat to me. This is very different from Civ4 where the AI could build enormous stacks of units and derail my plans with an invasion, even if I could win the war they could do enough damage to me to knock me out of the running for a win. Another thing the AI did in Civ 4 was fight itself, and win. One civ could quickly amass a bunch of vassal states and become an unstoppable juggernaut, so it was more difficult to play a passive builder game - you couldn't expect to just sit there building wonder after wonder and not be bothered by anyone. Ultimately that made the game fun because I knew the AI, most of the time, wouldn't just stand by and let me win, I had to earn it.