Peace Theme Elimination Thread

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Uh... Iroquois got eliminated quite a while ago...

Oh, derp.

Here, have an update:

America - 8
Arabia - 22
Assyria - 21
Austria - 21
Aztec - 12
Brazil - 17
Byzantium - 21
Carthage - 15-3=12
Celts - 20+1=21
China - 20
Dutch - 22
England - 22
Ethiopia - 23
Greece - 22
Huns - 21
Inca - 21
India - 16
Indonesia - 20
Japan - 17
Korea - 17
Maya - 20
Mongolia - 20
Ottomans - 15
Persia - 21
Poland - 25
Polynesia - 19
Portugal - 10
Shoshone - 22
Songhai - 6
Spain - 22
Sweden - 25
Venice - 20
Zulu - 22

Celts: I just love this theme. It's so bloody chill.

Carthage: I don't really get it. Feels weird.
 
Nothing wrong in kicking the Iroquois peace theme while it's down.
 
Beating a dead horse, I see.

America - 8-3=5
Arabia - 22
Assyria - 21
Austria - 21
Aztec - 12
Brazil - 17
Byzantium - 21
Carthage - 12
Celts - 21
China - 20
Dutch - 22
England - 22
Ethiopia - 23
Greece - 22
Huns - 21
Inca - 21
India - 16
Indonesia - 20
Japan - 17
Korea - 17
Maya - 20
Mongolia - 20
Ottomans - 15
Persia - 21
Poland - 25
Polynesia - 19
Portugal - 10
Shoshone - 22
Songhai - 6
Spain - 22
Sweden - 25
Venice - 20+1=21
Zulu - 22

Venice: Another deserving upvote.

America: Bland, boring, easily forgetful.
 
About Brazil... There's really nothing more I can do. If it goes out next, it goes out next. Keep in mind that the theme could sound sad because Pedro is mourning the fact that his beloved football team was slaughtered by the Germans.

America - 5-3=2
Arabia - 22
Assyria - 21
Austria - 21
Aztec - 12
Brazil - 17
Byzantium - 21
Carthage - 12
Celts - 21
China - 20
Dutch - 22
England - 22
Ethiopia - 23
Greece - 22
Huns - 21
Inca - 21
India - 16+1=17
Indonesia - 20
Japan - 17
Korea - 17
Maya - 20
Mongolia - 20
Ottomans - 15
Persia - 21
Poland - 25
Polynesia - 19
Portugal - 10
Shoshone - 22
Songhai - 6
Spain - 22
Sweden - 25
Venice - 21
Zulu - 22

India: I now give up on Brazil. India, though, I will not forsake.

America: Seems like both of the American themes are pretty bland... That's a shame. If only they used the Civil War Scenario Music in place of this theme. Look it up if you haven't heard it.
 
Let's kick 'murica while it's down, shall we?

America - 2 - 3 = -1 = ELIMINATION Sorry homeland, but the theme doesn't sound anything like any rendition of "America the Beautiful" that I've ever heard until several minutes in, and only when I really concentrate on mentally matching it up with the theme that I'm familiar with. Besides, while America the Beautiful is probably the best song to use as a peace theme, there are other patriotic songs that I much prefer to it.
Arabia - 22
Assyria - 21
Austria - 21
Aztec - 12
Brazil - 17
Byzantium - 21
Carthage - 12
Celts - 21
China - 20
Dutch - 22
England - 22
Ethiopia - 23
Greece - 22
Huns - 21
Inca - 21
India - 17
Indonesia - 20
Japan - 17
Korea - 17
Maya - 20
Mongolia - 20
Ottomans - 15
Persia - 21
Poland - 25 + 1 = 26 You've heard my spiel before, to quote TheBoulderite. Even if Poland doesn't deserve to lead by so many points - although it does - it at least deserves to maintain its position of great superiority over all the other themes.
Polynesia - 19
Portugal - 10
Shoshone - 22
Songhai - 6
Spain - 22
Sweden - 25
Venice - 21
Zulu - 22
 
Arabia - 22
Assyria - 21
Austria - 21
Aztec - 12
Brazil - 17
Byzantium - 21
Carthage - 12
Celts - 21
China - 20
Dutch - 22
England - 22
Ethiopia - 23
Greece - 22
Huns - 21
Inca - 21
India - 17-3=14
Indonesia - 20
Japan - 17
Korea - 17
Maya - 20
Mongolia - 20
Ottomans - 15
Persia - 21
Poland - 26
Polynesia - 19
Portugal - 10
Shoshone - 22+1=23
Songhai - 6
Spain - 22
Sweden - 25
Venice - 21
Zulu - 22

Shoshone: Probably my favorite of all the peace themes. Goes from soothing to epic.

India: Boring and forgettable.
 
Arabia - 22
Assyria - 21
Austria - 21
Aztec - 12
Brazil - 17
Byzantium - 21
Carthage - 12
Celts - 21
China - 20
Dutch - 22
England - 22
Ethiopia - 23
Greece - 22
Huns - 21
Inca - 21
India - 14
Indonesia - 20
Japan - 17
Korea - 17
Maya - 20
Mongolia - 20
Ottomans - 15
Persia - 21
Poland - 26 - 3 = 23
Polynesia - 19
Portugal - 10 + 1 = 11
Shoshone - 23
Songhai - 6
Spain - 22
Sweden - 25
Venice - 21
Zulu - 22

Poland:
"Poland's peace theme is amazing!" "It's so grand, and perfect for Casimir III!" "Wow," I thought, and decided to give it a listen. To make a long story short, Bóg Się Rodzi was an excellent song. However, the Hype Train crashed and burned when I was not lifted into Heaven by a chorus of beautiful angels with sunshine smiles, as this very enthusiastic tread had led me to believe would occur. xD
And here's the shocker - I listened to all three and a half minutes of it, as well as a choral version of the song, as it is originally a traditional Polish Christmas Carol.

Don't get me wrong, it's a lovely song - powerful and moving, with a slow, wistful melody and a memorable strings part - just not quite deserving of a whopping 26 point lead, especially when it seems to share many of the qualities for which other songs in this thread have been downvoted - "It's too slow," "It sounds sad," or "It doesn't encourage me to build an empire." Even worse "This theme is better," or "That theme is worse." What about those songs make them "better," or "worse?" I'm not judging, honestly - I genuinely would like to know what, in our your humble opinion, constitutes a "good" or a "bad" peace theme. By no means is Poland's theme the worst one on the list. As a matter of fact, I think that it's deserving of second-place, right after Portugal. This is a one time deal, to make a point. I'm sorry, everyone. And besides, even after this, Poland will still be tied for second-place with Ethiopia and the Shoshone. Hardly a dim fate. =)

TL;DR - Poland's theme could easily be characterized as "slow" and "depressing," although many such songs are also called "powerful" and "moving." It shares this general tone with several rival peace themes, and yet, it is extremely high on the list. What gives?

Portugal:
I have looked at Portugal's downvote history and have become quite dismayed upon reading the reasons as to why it has dropped to its current score of 10 points (11, now). To pull a few quotes:

TBH I haven't actually listened past the first couple seconds of this. I'm not sure whether those first few seconds are offnotes or just what traditional Portuguese music sounds like, but it definitely sounds a bit ear-piercing to me. :thumbsdown:

and

I'm with everyone else, those first few notes throw me off.

Really, you guys? Please, give Portugal a fair chance. All I ask is that you actually listen to the entire song (or, at the very least, half of it) before downvoting it. To judge the entire song by its first few notes is... saddening, really. Quite honestly, Poland's first few measures aren't much to listen to either, and are wholly unrepresentative of the remainder of the song, the melody of which is positively wonderful. This same idea applies with Portugal. The best part of the Portuguese peace theme is the traditional guitar melody. And yet, if you only listened to the "first few notes," you didn't get to hear the guitar. It's the best part! It's powerful and moving, playing a passionate, wistful melody, and - wait a second, isn't this exactly what I said about Poland? It is. And that's because the two songs are very similar in terms of their mood. As a matter of fact, the only reason I like Portugal's song more than Poland's is because of the guitar. That's how close they are, at least in my mind.

So please, before you go and downvote Portugal, actually listen to the song. All of it. If, even after hearing the amazing guitar, you still don't like it, that's fine, you're entitled to have your own opinion just as much as I am. But c'mon, at least give Portugal a fair chance, and don't just listen to the "first few notes." I think that's fair.

TL;DR - For the love of Polders, actually listen to a song before you up/downvote it. Fifteen seconds or less doesn't count. Also, guitars are awesome.
 
Arabia - 22
Assyria - 21
Austria - 21
Aztec - 12
Brazil - 17
Byzantium - 21
Carthage - 12
Celts - 21
China - 20
Dutch - 22
England - 22+1 = 23
Ethiopia - 23
Greece - 22
Huns - 21
Inca - 21
India - 4
Indonesia - 20
Japan - 17-3 = 14
Korea - 17
Maya - 20
Mongolia - 20
Ottomans - 15
Persia - 21
Poland - 23
Polynesia - 19
Portugal - 11
Shoshone - 23
Songhai - 6
Spain - 22
Sweden - 25
Venice - 21
Zulu - 22


England: This song sounds peaceful yes, but when I listen to it, it also has that... authoritative tone. All parts of the song was also nice; some of the civs' peace themes have segments that are not as impressive, but this theme overall was a joy to listen to through and through. I also chose this because it ties very well with the leader screen in my opinion. Not that that's directly related, but still, I thought I should put that in.

Japan: I almost fell asleep listening to this, and not in the 'good' way. :p
 
Arabia - 22
Assyria - 21
Austria - 21
Aztec - 9 Most of the good parts of this song are that one melody. You need some variation.
Brazil - 17
Byzantium - 21
Carthage - 12
Celts - 21
China - 20
Dutch - 22
England - 23
Ethiopia - 23
Greece - 22
Huns - 21
Inca - 21
India - 4
Indonesia - 20
Japan - 15 Looks like I am set out to be the defender of Japan now.
Korea - 17
Maya - 20
Mongolia - 20
Ottomans - 15
Persia - 21
Poland - 23
Polynesia - 19
Portugal - 11
Shoshone - 23
Songhai - 6 [Why is this so low. Why is Russia gone. What's up with that]
Spain - 22
Sweden - 25
Venice - 21
Zulu - 22
 
Please note that India is at 14, not 4, and that I have corrected it.

Arabia - 22
Assyria - 21
Austria - 21
Aztec - 9-3=6
Brazil - 17
Byzantium - 21
Carthage - 12
Celts - 21
China - 20
Dutch - 22
England - 23
Ethiopia - 23
Greece - 22
Huns - 21
Inca - 21
India - 14+1=15
Indonesia - 20
Japan - 15
Korea - 17
Maya - 20
Mongolia - 20
Ottomans - 15
Persia - 21
Poland - 23
Polynesia - 19
Portugal - 11
Shoshone - 23
Songhai - 6
Spain - 22
Sweden - 25
Venice - 21
Zulu - 22

India: It's sort of like Indonesia's war theme, with a really cool blend between Indian instruments and a Western orchestra.

Aztecs: It's not like I don't like the theme, but I really don't see any other theme to downvote.

Also, everyone please listen to what Kiang said. I haven't been so diligent about it either, so it's a good reminder for me too.

Before you vote on a song, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU HAVE LISTENED TO THE ENTIRE THING. I will start that from now on, and I expect you all to as well.
 
Russia is out before Songhai.......WHAT?

Arabia - 22
Assyria - 21
Austria - 21
Aztec - 6
Brazil - 17
Byzantium - 22 - in the previous theme elimination thread I was one of the few who were saving Byzantium's peace theme till the very end, and I`m doing this again. It's grand, it's religious and it's just pleasant to listen to - you can't find a better theme for Byzantium.
Carthage - 12
Celts - 21
China - 20
Dutch - 22
England - 23
Ethiopia - 23
Greece - 22
Huns - 21
Inca - 21
India - 15
Indonesia - 20
Japan - 15
Korea - 17
Maya - 20
Mongolia - 20
Ottomans - 15
Persia - 21
Poland - 23
Polynesia - 19
Portugal - 11
Shoshone - 23
Songhai - 3 - following the unspoken rule of listening to the theme in its entirety, I once again confirmed for myself that the intro is the only memorable part in the Songhai theme - and I`m not sure how much of that is attributed to the "Hi, don't pay attention to the burning background" screen and not the music itself.
Spain - 22
Sweden - 25
Venice - 21
Zulu - 22
 
Russia is out before Songhai.......WHAT?

Arabia - 22
Assyria - 21
Austria - 21+1=22
Aztec - 6
Brazil - 17
Byzantium - 22
Carthage - 12
Celts - 21
China - 20
Dutch - 22
England - 23
Ethiopia - 23
Greece - 22
Huns - 21
Inca - 21
India - 15
Indonesia - 20
Japan - 15
Korea - 17
Maya - 20
Mongolia - 20
Ottomans - 15
Persia - 21
Poland - 23
Polynesia - 19
Portugal - 11
Shoshone - 23
Songhai - 3-3=ELIMINATED
Spain - 22
Sweden - 25
Venice - 21
Zulu - 22

Austria: This sounds like they would play this at a ball. Pretty good.

Songhai: The intro might be something, but everything else was not so something. This theme which is reptitive in my head along with a burning city in the background has all the cringe I really don't want.
 
@Kiang, thank you for the reasonable message of "voting on fair grounds" :) (after all, I almost downvoted India at one point, before deciding to listen to the whole song, and I'm glad I did)

I've been avoiding voting Portugal to avoid bias, and Kiang's comments make me want to support it a bit more...

Aztec - 6-3=3
Songhai - 3+1=4


...but I decided to let Songhai live a bit longer, instead. I really like the ambient tune (what Peace themes should sound like, I believe), and I often let it play in the background when doing something else.

Meanwhile, while I don't dislike any of the remaining themes, I'm surprised to see the Aztec theme live longer than America's, which I thought was quite fitting. As for the Aztec theme itself... nothing wrong with it, but nothing noteworthy, either.

EDIT: D'oh! The Songhai were eliminated as I posted! :( They were gone so soon.

Correcting my vote:

Arabia - 22
Assyria - 21
Austria - 22
Aztec - 6-3=3
Brazil - 17
Byzantium - 22
Carthage - 12
Celts - 21
China - 20
Dutch - 22
England - 23
Ethiopia - 23
Greece - 22
Huns - 21
Inca - 21
India - 15
Indonesia - 20
Japan - 15
Korea - 17
Maya - 20
Mongolia - 20
Ottomans - 15
Persia - 21
Poland - 23
Polynesia - 19
Portugal - 11+1=12
Shoshone - 23
Spain - 22
Sweden - 25
Venice - 21
Zulu - 22

Giving my vote to Portugal, instead. I do enjoy the theme a lot, and I do love the guitar. Very fitting theme.
 
Can I jump in on this?

Arabia - 22
Assyria - 21
Austria - 22
Aztec - 3
Brazil - 17
Byzantium - 22
Carthage - 12
Celts - 21
China - 20+1=21
Dutch - 22
England - 23
Ethiopia - 23
Greece - 22
Huns - 21
Inca - 21
India - 15
Indonesia - 20
Japan - 15
Korea - 17-3=14
Maya - 20
Mongolia - 20
Ottomans - 15
Persia - 21
Poland - 23
Polynesia - 19
Portugal - 12
Shoshone - 23
Spain - 22
Sweden - 25
Venice - 21
Zulu - 22

Surprised no one has up voted China yet, I found the theme to be really well done and captures the essence of that civilization.

I downvoted Korea just because I like China's and Japan's theme more. It's better than Siam's but Siam is already gone.
 
I love you JonnasN, but Songhai... yeah.....
 
Both Russia and Songhai out before several of these isn't that great.

Arabia - 22
Assyria - 21
Austria - 22
Aztec - 0 Least interesting choice left.
Brazil - 17
Byzantium - 22
Carthage - 12
Celts - 21
China - 21
Dutch - 22
England - 23
Ethiopia - 23
Greece - 22
Huns - 21
Inca - 21
India - 15
Indonesia - 20
Japan - 15
Korea - 14
Maya - 20
Mongolia - 20
Ottomans - 15
Persia - 21
Poland - 23
Polynesia - 19
Portugal - 13 I will stave off protecting Japan to defend this lovely fado tune.
Shoshone - 23
Spain - 22
Sweden - 25
Venice - 21
Zulu - 22
 
Songhai places #32, Aztecs #31!

Arabia - 22
Assyria - 21
Austria - 22
Brazil - 17
Byzantium - 22
Carthage - 12
Celts - 21
China - 21
Dutch - 22
England - 23
Ethiopia - 23
Greece - 22
Huns - 21
Inca - 21
India - 15
Indonesia - 20
Japan - 15
Korea - 14
Maya - 20
Mongolia - 20
Ottomans - 15
Persia - 21
Poland - 23 + 1 = 24 Because Poland being tied with 4 other civs with much less good (not bad, though) themes is just silly.
Polynesia - 19
Portugal - 13
Shoshone - 23
Spain - 22
Sweden - 25 - 3 = 22 Sweden has by no means a bad peace theme. It's pretty good actually, but Poland's theme is much better, and if Poland doesn't deserve to lead by this much than Sweden certainly doesn't.
Venice - 21
Zulu - 22
 
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