a lightweight discussion of WW2 aerial ops and the like

then came the War . Should have been a piece of cake , holding Germans on the Dyle until Stalin finished the Communist Mobilization -something the Germans could never allow to happen being perhaps the most professional military on the planet . With or without the August '39 Pact Berlin and Moscow would one day come to blows and the smart Democracies would roll in , by about 1942 to sweep all before them . Then France fell . Had to be explained in the Anglosaxon world by the incredible might of the German host and the tendency of the French to surrender to anybody that came along . The French couldn't do that , their "manhood" had suffered enough - they couldn't shoot themselves in the foot with such a defeatists narrative . So , they came up with examples of super-duper German stuff that wasn't even there in the first place . More to the point Germany was quite disrespectful to America which had "decided" the Great War with immense power and even more impressive wealth . People who run countries must be ready to consider anything ; the Package (2) that arrived at the British Embassy in Oslo in 1939 contained quite a few insights into German research in all fields but not much inklings about the nuclear stuff . Which -despite any glorification of the Manhattan Project might suggest- was very "popular" with planners all around the world . Could it be that the Nazi belittling of the "Jewish Science" was based on something really sinister , that they had something else ? Something better , much better ?

and came the Wunderwaffen . Too late too little they might be , but they made an impression . After the Allied Armies cleared the coast , a British official declared the flying bomb threat was largely over , the next day "first"bomb fell , now being fired from He-111s flying over the North Sea . Wasn't exactly a great crisis , British fighter patrols would destroy a great many Luftwaffe aircraft , the RAF was even on the verge on deploying AEW . Then there was the Rocket . Unstoppable once in the air , in added to the stress of civilians , yet considering the waste of the overall programme the Allies were happy that the Germans had chosen to use their industrial capacity on the V-2 . V-3 might have been a problem with multiple artillery barrels aligned on London to keep a continious barrage , but in 1944 / 45 Lancasters were capable of destroying any German fortification by specialized heavy bombs ; and to make it sure that the French wouldn't be able to repair the damage , the British Army "invaded" the site and blew the whole place up . Yet Nazi propaganda kept up the talk on vengeance and new stuff that would put everything right . Have mentioned Wouk's War and Rememberence , in it there is this imaginary von Roon character and his wife asks him everytime they meet that isn't it the time that the Wunderwaffen are deployed and used ... Even the jets , which might have turned the scales and stopped the Allied bombing campaign if developed and deployed seriously were never a threat for the conclusion of the war , in a victory of the West and 'alas' the Soviets . People who run states must consider anything ; could it be that the Germans were so engrossed in research of serious matters that they forgo any realistic appraisal of the little distraction the history calls the Second World War ?

and there was Ike . An errant V-1 hit a truck just across the building he was in and he was overly impressed ... Would make some reason for some thinking when the Russians beat America to Space and all the flamboyant American industry (3) could do was Flopniks and Kaputniks .

yes , once again people who run states must consider anything . Those who ran the UK in 1940 weren't exactly an alarmist group of people , Churchill for one was happy that France had been knocked out ; the spoils of war could be rather more for London . The outcome was never in doubt in the mind of the British ; it would be the fall of Singapur that tore apart their empire , though the silly games the British Army seemed to play with the Deutches Africa Korps were to do lots of damage . As such in the "dark days" of 1940 , Britain was ready to "beg" for assistance from the US and in return for any help that could be provided they were so ready to share the goodies , the technological marvels the British were developing . There had been previous attempts at this , with the Anglo-French calling for licensed production of their weapons in the US and the Americans rejecting . If the Western Europeans wanted tanks from America they would have to buy American designed tanks and so they could keep their "experts" at home . Instead of the said experts' presence within the US Industry to check things and keep everything under "control" . America would never say no to World Dominion , tabs had to be kept on by the Europeans and the nature of things implied that Americans had to reject ...

it was once again Dowding who rocked the boat . Even if he had sized up the Fighter defence of the British Isles against a projected threat that was based on the B-17 with 20mm cannons in the tail -for the purposes of reference- and the said defences had appreciably mauled up the Luftwaffe , the war was not over yet and the Spits and Hurris were not exactly doing a swell job against the night Blitz . He urged going easy and his advice was taken into consideration and Churchill "rewarded" the interloping Air Marshall by sacking him . It's quite a story ; found it in a link from Wikipedia actually . Now there is this magnetron , a huge advance in the context of WW2 . It has actually been termed as the "most valuable cargo" ever "brought to the shores of America" . And Wikipedia says it was first build by General Electric in 1920 . Twenty years on the British are to arrive in the US like the Messiah or something and lift the primitives out of the Dark Ages . With an already arranged meeting with the GE to show something they certainly don't know and hint the patents lay with Britain and GE can make lots of money if it follows British advice here and there . Dowding had lacked magnetrons in 1938 ; that meant an order for Bristol Beaufighters to carry bulky radar sets instead of Night fighter Spits with pods like those on the F6F and F4U .

so ... there is this British engineer with a package to be guarded with life and he believes that too and he has to catch a train to catch the ship to join the Tizard Expedition to the wilderness , errm , United States of America . But wait , there is a squad of troops and they take the package . The engineer is utterly spooked and instead of getting sticked by a bayonet he is forced to take his seat in the train and with him sits a character who gives an ugly stare , ugly enough that the engineer stays still for the whole ride while the character reads his newpaper . ı understand the engineer actually asked which school the character had finished and he said something in the middle of nowhere . Had the character had said anything classy like Cambridge or Eton , the engineer would risked limb and life by shouting "German Spy!" Makes sense actually , the engineer knows the Magnetron is important enough to be cared for , London would surely be prepared for any eventuality . Enough to send a working class street thug , with a readiness to waste people ... And he does check the package afterwards to see everthing is OK , no tampering ... The Atlantic passage over , it's time to meet the Americans . And they are all amazed in the achievements of the British and the brilliance of the concept , to increase the output the smart British are using 6 cavities instead one . Now don't ask what difference that makes . ı am a Starfleet Admiral , ı don't know anything about real stuff . And the engineer has been explaining it all , maybe including a chalk drawing on the blackboard . And finally it's time to show the real thing , to let 'em Americans see the marvel . Which turns out to have eight cavities ... Wikipedia is sure to say that was the one single 8-cavity the British had done in the comparative analysis and the engineer had picked it up in error . Yeah , whatever . Dowding was out and the Americans produced only Eights and the British only Sixes; for there were British who thought it was imperative that the War be better fought without such long term plans to infiltrate and take over the American electronics industry .

the British inventor of the Radar was in the Tizard commission and he discovered that American had actually a distressing number of projects ranging from worse to "What did you say?" good , which was reported to those back home , the bunch of people who were into "undiscovered sciences" ... And that was to be followed by the see-saw of North Africa and the disasters of the Pasific War . It was now the turn of the British to invent super-duper threats there were never there . By 1944 London was quite ready to accept that other nations were equally capable of invention and research to the extent of even leaving them behind . It clouded the overall thinking . Some British were looking for the exact V-2 , others were already alarmed about a 60 ton ICBM with you know what on the tip and since there was no sign whatsoever of the 60 tonner , some others were confidently declaring there was no rocket danger and Churchill's science advisor was backing the last . British were way behind in the nuke game , they were counting on the reputation of being wicked people with a proven record of burning as much German civilians as possible . Harris' programme had no intention of being waylaid by some silly proposals to bomb rocket facilities . And then came the rocket as mentioned .

after that , the Anglosaxons were almost ready to believe in flying saucers ...

proper Nazis were re-incarnation of gods and the like at first . As such they had no UFOs of any kind when the up and coming Americans decided the US should really make hay while the sun shone and use the monopoly on the Atomic Bomb to its "logical" end . Which was nuking the hell out of anybody that could have dared to challenge Washington . But there was Peace in the air and it's never easy to convince people with a decided desire to forget the horrors of war to get moving again , if the comforts and the like of Peace is allowed to take hold . There had to be a danger , from enemies of the American way .

it's because of this reason that the first ever UFO sighting report has Vics of crescent shaped craft flying above the speed of sound in the heart of America in 1947 . Millions of American veterans of the War know the Japanese were quite retarted in keeping the Vic , the trio of planes flying in formation with one ahead as the leader and one trailing on each side of the leader to the bitter end . And the Japanese knew nothing about of the concept of surrender . The mildly supersonic speed of course shows such devices can not be intercepted by the state of the art aircraft of the time , they should be bombed on the ground with whatever available . Do not allow the crescent shape of the craft to get you snickering about the Islamic threat in 1947 , it's actually something else . Vought , an American aircraft company is doing the F5U , or at least working on it and the leading edges are curved ; people in the know are speculating with jet engines of enough power the design could be hovering in the air . Returning to 1942 there were also people who were speculating it was Vought which had designed the A6M , the deadly Zero of the Japanese . Invented by competition as Grumman and Vought were doing a tidy job of sharing the USN business with Douglas , it was double good for the claims that Igor Sikorsky , some Russian , was quite influential in the company . There are quite a few reasons why Vought left the Liberal East Coast to move into Texas in 1948 or so "to spread the wealth" afterall . It's joked when this failed Vought designed the MiG-15 and the US courts shut up ... Americans even discovered the Vought prototype that disappeared in 1940 was on top of a mountain with the aircraft totally destroyed and the pilot dead ; instead of landing on a Japanese carrier that came to pick him up as reported in the newspapers .

the first Nazi Saucers that were successfully flight tested in 1945 were all designed after 1947 . With no time travel involved . Nazis did the jets and the rockets as everybody already knew ; they could surely do spacecraft , right ? Flash Gordon's spaceships were pointed objects with smoke coming out of the other end and V-2 matched that allright . The IG Farben thread is linked here , as ı would like to remember where it is in case of need for reference ; and not for reading how Nazis turned themselves into angelic friends of Aliens , my posts there are even boring than this thread .

ghost rockets on the other hand are a straight British media manipulation with full Swedish backing . It comes in a package deal , claiming a high ranking Nazi escaped to Norway with a whole load of high tech stuff . There is an early variant of this with Adolf himself running out of Berlin . When Russians don't buy this at all , the guy becomes Martin Bormann , ı believe , who according to the story didn't have his head mashed by a potato-masher grenade of German make in front of a bunker in Berlin . In anycase this Nazi is full with a desire to burn the Soviet Union from one end to the other and RAF patrols might not be enough to get his "planes" in take-off if by any reason they are compelled to be somewhere else . Say by Soviet threats of expansion into areas of interest for Britain . Yeah , if forced to deploy to Iran how can RAF squadrons maintain patrols over Norway ? During the tenure of Ike , the Brits will feel that they can use the same trick against the Americans . Though by now the speeds are hypersonic and UFOs blink in the night as Disco balls , even if the last said are not invented yet .

but we are supposed to be on somebody and someone right ? Coming there , in the typical snail style . The Cold War is good for business and whenever America shows signs of slowing down , a new frenzy of superior Russian tech is created out of thin air . There's first the Bomber Gap , where them Russians are hoarding thousands of bombers ; in 1956 or so there are reports of a nuclear powered and armed bomber with an endurance of days , which on Mach 2 means it can go around the world in the same sortie at least twice . Means thousands of Interceptor jets for the USAF and even more missiles . Ike beats that down by allowing U-2 missions . Good ? Of course not , Kennedy will "win" the election with Missile Gap , showing Nixon had allowed Russians to get ahead . It doesn't matter if it is a lie of sorts again ... And it's good business for anyone who is in the ICBM / SLBM business .

naturally and not strangely all that has to be balanced ... Lest America loses its ardour to challenge anybody on the planet . Those very same people who claim this week that the Russians field tens of thousands of tanks and stressing that the Red Army can drive all its tanks from the Inner German Border to Paris in a week , will be all like the Russians are all ignorant fools and one hundred Russian tanks can't do anything and nothing to one single Allied tank in a week , in the newspapers of next week .

the meltdown of the Soviet Union is a surprise . But at the same time it's also a proof that nothing can ever stand in the way of the West . With the recent experience of Saddam being halfway abused , the Stealth gets much publicity . It's all American and with finances and computer power available only to America , the superiority of the America through Stealth is forever . This eternal advantage is really referred to . In all kinds of Aviation forums . But wait , Russians are at it again . The next Russian warplane the MiG 1.44 or whatever will be superfast and stealthy . But not in the American way . a cloud of Plasma is to protect it from detection and engagement by any form of radar directed fire .

mind you , it's not really unexpected . The USN had been developing AIM-9R , a top dog variant of the ubiquitious Sidewinder specifically for such "cloaked" stuff in the last years of the Cold War ; in case plasma ever worked -the Americans surely couldn't make it work ... Don't ever allow me to rant on Star Trek whatever where Kirk gets framed with murdering the Klingon Chancellor and there is this climactic battle with one cloaked Klingon Bird of Prey that gets squashed between numerically superior American Federation forces . Yeah , quoting Shakespeare never helps when you are a Klingon Militarist ...

though getting slightly ahead of the story , sometime in mid 1990s BAe (the British Aerospace company) will enlist some top range Russians to throw Western kind of money to solve this mystery . For it seems , this plasma tech -in case it exists- is something terrific : In addition to stealth it can modulate air pressure in such ways that you can have more lift at slower speeds or cut down drag for longer range or higher speed or eliminate side lobes from your Radar so that you won't show up on enemy ESM . They won't get anything , but it's well known that the BAe had some project called the Greenglow which kinda amounts to a flying saucer . We being comparable to logs freshly cut in the woods , can not really say it's a fake or not ...


so this is the reasoning for the Ben Rich report on interstellar travel . Starting with an off hand joke it can surely be modified to become the equivalent of that medical procedure where you get injected with material and examination will result in a map of your veins , with a clear report of where they are good , constricted or totally blocked . Had ı been real , ı would have it here in its name , you know . Producing a blatantly made up report on a most awe inspiring application of the Alternative Physics and have it transferred to Russia where regular Intel people out of curiosity will ask certain people (in what constitutes the DARPA of the former Soviet Union) what the hell Americans are talking about . With all the assets available and with wild abandon as the Soviet Union has collapsed and there is lots of disillusionment within the ranks of the once formidable Russian Security Apparatus , those certain people will be identified and relentlessly tracked . Their houses broken into , their work discovered and pilfered , anybody they ever talked to will be investigated , in case they too are top scientists posing as drunk Babushkas to hide a most important secret in case the Red Army needs to shed oceans of blood to protect Mother Russia once again ... It may take a year or two , and whatever there is to these unkown techs will be found out .

the legend has it that in a case of "also additionally" 9 Nobels were to be offered to Soviet / Russian Academy of Sciences or what ever that thing is called , definitely in case of failure . With more to follow if there was anything to any of all those points as claimed over the years . And that would be good money when all those Russkie Scientists were starving in the streets .

as to the success of this research and whatever , all ı can say the latest Russian fighter jet , the T-50 something is quite in the American formula and nothing about Plasma . Russia is getting back on its feet , the confidence is returning . From the Russian perspective there is not much need for fairy tales anymore .

well , all ı can say is the UFO is for the underdog . The Turkish experience seems to prove that . No , we don't have flying saucers but it has been used in the proper way by all brands of political sides . The first one ı ever remember was a December 1978 newspaper and TV report that our scientists had succeeded in finding a way to remove weight / gravitional load by using electricity , with an image of a disc floating midair . Though the picture was clear enough to discern the rope that the disc hang from ... Was a kid of 8 at the time but already a plane nut . Followed in February '79 by a breathtaking article in a children's magazine ı was buying weekly with allowance from my parents . The article had a promise of actual saucers flying at Mach 20 in the atmosphere and 40 in space . Capable of going to Moon . And ready for delivery by mid 1980s . The context ?

well , the publisher of the magazine was a media family in the Right , as partisan as they come . The 3 party Rightist Coalition had fallen , though the Leftist minority Goverment was not working either . The Army had already served the President with a warning letter that a coup was in the works . The President , being the commander of the Navy once , was all for it . With the troubles of Iran and the fall of the Shah in mind , America as in Washington D.C. could prefer this intervention to be a Secular one . And since the media family would be the laughing stock of the country if they carried the "proposal" in their newspapers it fell to the children magazine to print the good stuff . The Army should not follow the Commies and America would give them saucers ... There is an America and a God-believing another America , you know .

in mid-80s the same magazine had the UFOs once again in a comic . ı was either growing up or the said comic did it by claiming the Excalibur story was something all Turkish with Space Aliens arriving to help Tengiz , son of Mete -the Hun Emperor . Immediately left a sour taste . Only to peak with the claim that F-16 (which we were to co-produce at the time) was the finest combat aircraft in the world bar none . Was already buying aviation magazines . Context ? The wife of the media boss , an accomplished journalist on her own right had sided with Santa Süleyman against Santa Turgut and the September 1980 coup had barred politicians of 1970s from taking part in the elections and the such . With growing unstability in the East of the country Law and Order could be demanded by the US , hence if Santa Turgut kept controlling the Right , hence the country all the family business could go under . And soon ... Stupid military should rather side with the Family to press for fair elections with broad participation and Family will get them Saucers ...

though Demirel is no longer a saint these days . The Family threw the lot with Islamists and Santa Süleyman is almost like the devil , fallen out of grace for not accepting the truer truth and so siding with the February 28 thing ... Which incidentally cleared the Traditionalists out of the Islamist ranks . The Old Guard could never function as well as the Internationalists ; the former leader who could be awesomely funny and witty like when he offered 100 000 tanks and 100 000 jets to the Military would never even once suppose that America would allow Turkey to own any single oil field out of 1923 borders . With real life experience of how wells in Turkey were plugged with concrete ... And yeah , that's a hundred thousand each of tanks and planes ...

which was to be bought by Kaddafi money , the former leader's leader in some Islamic organization which the country heard nothing of until Kaddafi chewed him for hours for some undefined failure . Was an indicator something would happen . Which happened as February 28 . Yet , the Military could never celebrate much as America was already pulling the ropes as the great puppetmaster . As the new brand of Islamists , the "celebrated" newly elites were coming into power with undeniable momentum the Military decided to threaten America , or maybe followin' American commands themselves , and with great fanfare they declared that they had discovered the way to build an Unity engine . Put a liter of fuel in your car , figuratively speaking and it will take you to your destination where you can syphon two liters and sell it to the gas station . The liter you put in and the liter that somehow came to while driving ... Afterall a saucer would have been real funny in the 21st Century .

as a reminder ı claim to have spent all my adult life in turbolazer turrets aboard Star Destroyers , ı don't claim 100% efficiency and more ...

this disgrace involved Jirinovsky , the Russian loudmouth who has his own party , and the contacts Russia developed as soon as Putin came to power . Contacts being with those smart Turkish Militarists who actually had the brains to see the non-stop moves by Washington to support the seperatists in combat against the country was bound to create tensions that could do as much damage as ... the baby burping after a good feed . The legend has it that Putin had the first briefing on the subject as a Kremlin resident on Day 4 when the reports on the Oil was complete . The theme , where the Unity Engine and the Russian language diagrams were never mentioned , was the tunnel vision of the United States to re-arrange the Middle East with the attendant destruction of Turkey . On a basis of Republic in all certainity , the country almost certainly .

newly elites snicker at Erke , the name of the Unity thing from the Military , from time to time , yet never deign to explain with what they are supposed to break down this World Order and create a new one . As they claim non-stop that they are doing ... ı would opinionate genies , but Saddam tried that already with "limitless" supplies of Red Mercury .

[this post , how to put it , contains a bit of sarcasm , a bit more than usual .]

for the sake of completeness maybe the Rich Report must be examined in more "detail" , if you forgive the scientific sound of the word detail ...

warp drives are actually kinda popular in real life , too . The Turkish language edition of Popular Science had a article a few months back ; making it allowable for me to claim that there are people who claim to have it figured out in 90s . Possibly even discussed in CFC itself . Conspiracy laden magazines ı bought in mid 90s out of curiosity certainly claim that the Americans were "jumping" around in tests inside the confines of Area 51 . As such the report certainly "doesn't" feel a need to discuss how one gets a spaceship into warping ; not even bothers to explain how the fusion reactors on the ship actually work .

taking a brief detour , the Cold Fusion Mania of the 1990s should also be remembered , where at least half of the claimed successes were intentionally faked rat-traps to attract people who might be interested in how Americans / Westerners were doing it . Nobody has ever explained how the non-faked successes happen as well . Kinda confusing in that successful teams could not guarantee to produce a successful repeat , in conditions of same people , same materials , same methods and same environmental conditions . Popular Science had another article on the phenomenon ; apparently there are now a whole bunch of companies willing to sell power generators they claim that work but they have no clue on how they work and these businessmen can't promise the batteries will turn on when turned on ...

even if ı have seen online references to such companies , ı won't be the guy to take one single magazine article's word on the subject . Especially when they also claim that Tesla invented Radar in -ı believe- 1907 . For ı actually know the principles were demonstrated in Germany in 1904 . Was real fun to discover that the 1904 item was a centimetric device ; allows a right to act historian-discovering-truth like when you read the Germans thought centimetric radars were impossible to make in 1940s but the magnificient Magnetron enabled the Allies to win the WW2 , by finding U-Booten in the murk of Atlantic . So what if ı read it on Wikipedia ?

as mentioned the paper is more of a flight plan . And right from the start the mention of the "beam riding" aspect got me thinking , up to maybe 2 hours . In my standarts that's quite a lot of thinking , maybe a month's worth . As such ı think putting that beam's source on Earth will never work in the 3D movement of the entire Space itself ; but might conceivably be applicable , if there was a second satellite , probe or ship that sailed around to "pull the lead" where the targeted Star and its system (?) was likely to be in 10 to 14 years . The Beam seems essential for navigation , apparently Americans can't steer under Warp . The duration of which is limited to 20 seconds and the ship will spend months to realign itself with the beam . Location of that beam in space to be assisted by the Radio Frequency Wraparound . This Wrapout is even more mysterous than the beam itself . Its only other "use" so far mentioned -if you are taking any of this seriously just for 15 milliseconds- is in the extraction of Helium 3 from the Lunar Soil . (4)

hundreds of bouys deployed along the way , emitting their own radio waves some of which is to help the 20 second cycle of the ship . Multiple layers of redundancies built in with 10 power reactors instead of the 2 that would be enough , had there been an human crew on board for maintenance . Return trip is way easier , the planet Earth will be emitting all sorts radiowaves , that's why a two year duration is deemed enough for the flight back home . And the voyage back is the reason why Americans get this kinda top secret document to somebody . Somebody , too , has been in Cyprus in mid 1960s , hates American guts for this reason or that but can understand that the advance of mankind benefits all . Russians might be down in the 90s , but who knows maybe Cold War will be back as the ship returns and some Soviet wannabe might decide to jam select bands to get the ship to end its trip somewhere near to the core of the Sun ... Somebody is to get people to reach to them Russkies or any other enemies of the American Way to ensure a safe return trip . America will not risk all that without the promises ...

but then as mentioned this is a probe , into a different planetary system not , but the inner workings of a former Superpower , maybe justifiable to recount in view of the recent news that Voyager 1 finally got out of Solar System . Who would believe a 286 is flying 50 miles of Kodak Monochrome out up there somewhere ?

afterall , those of us old enough to remember will know it's 10 000 Colonists to Alpha Centaury ...

[ this post certainly doesn't endorse anything , nor even claim there is an actual alternative to Physics . ]

this is a paper of sorts on the effects about the shadow of Alternative Physics , which obviously shies away from claiming any status of existence . Which did "wonders" on the Nazi Germany to shirk from serious back breaking labour in trying to match America in centrifuges and ı say this with a certain distaste that Berlin's Manhattan Project was killing Jews in industrial scale , for they would have bombs the size of pineapples to blow up everything and anything given time . When they discovered some boot was on some different foot , they came to real quick , but between British Commandos executed on the spot to Norvegian Resistance sinking ferries and the fact that 1944-45 was not exactly the time for the development of Ju-287 -the jet bomber- there wasn't much left for them to achieve .


1- apologies , couldn't finish in time . Though it involves some jokes about a book published about the Black Magic of Nazis .

2-it being of course an attempt by the Prussians that still remained in the Wehrmacht to establish some sort of a contact with the Democracies . Treason through revealing state of the art status of German research ? Oh yes , but the evident fear of the West to challenge the Nazis would naturally lead to blunders by ever confident Nazis , like one of invading Russia as if the West were uncapable of doing anything to the Third Reich . Even if the Generalstab decided to play ostrich and ignore Russian potential for mischief .

3- with German experts all over the place even if von Braun was still in purgatory

4-the gloriously glorious US Administration under Bush II decided to deflect the widespread criticism that they were stealing the Iraqi Oil under the guise of fighting Terrorism , so they declared the future was in Fusion Power . Something that would be more economical if the Moon was mined . Which seems to be quite an endevour , billions tons of soil to be moved and processed for useful amounts of material . Immediately solved by American ingenuity , who in the past through HAARP have given you earthquakes , lightning bolts and typhoons and cancer if you are of the talkative type with a penchant to follow the latest trends in tinfoil headgear ... Also reminds destructive potential with Chinese and Indian projects mapping the Moon and stuff . Nobody can steal America's Helium 3 !

back to somewhat more real stuff ..

it's June 1973 and Somebody is expected to a meeting in a Turkish Air Forces office on a Sunday . And there he is at the gate , it's said , wearing the gaudiest shirt Hawaii could inspire and hair long enough to braid , a gold ring on the Right hand and two silvers on the Left , driven to the location with the car of a maid . THK , the Air Force ı mean , has a problem and ı will be on it somewhat later .

now we gaze on two dudes watching Somebody from a distance . Dude 1 asks "Who's this guy?" Dude 2 informs 1 that he has heard the guy is in the Mafia , as told by Dude 3 to Dude 4 . Now the catch is Dude 3 is not aware that he is supposed to have said anything on the subject , but Dude 5 has heard it from Dude 6 that 3 indeed said so and so . After a couple of months Dude 7 will put it in the books and a couple of years later Dude 8 will be completely baffled by it . Dude 8 knows practically everybody in the all kinds of Mafias in the country . It can't be-but it must be , he tells Dude 9 .

now it's 1990s . Dude 29 is so boastful of how he knows everything on the stockmarkets , but the point is he follows the events by reading editorials in the newspapers . And such editorials are invariably a week behind the events when it matters . This is the moment Someone enters the picture ; he has overheard a conversation in a noisy situation that Somebody actually does the dirty work of a hedge fund . You know a couple of days before every newspaper will be talking about a particular fund that's so big that the Dem Clintons have to save it from bankruptcy . It was the fall of Lehman Brothers that started the global crisis of 2008 , right ? This fund is worth a trillion dollars , if it fails Dem Clintons will also fail . Agrees Dude 28 , before calling Dude 19 to his office for a royal dressing down . Dude 19 is alone in claiming it was actually Someone who went into the THK office back in the day ; that makes him a babbling fool which in turn makes Dude 27 look bad -meaning he chewed Dude 28 for half an hour ... The hedge fund ? Never heard of Somebody or Someone ...

and the funds transferred for the mission of June 1973 ? Well , Someone ate it in clubs where women exhibit body parts . That makes him a totally reliable source , besides a thief . Which naturally makes him the reliable source in the first place . Isn't that what happens to any kind of funds set aside for undercover work anyhow ? Spent on booze and fun and accounts in Swiss Banks ? The dudes would do the exact same thing , wouldn't they ?

this is power out of thin air . Useful to the extreme , but really dangerous . It can get into your head . One must show restraint in application , and far more care in self-glorification . Some have Conscience if they are developed that way . Others have the Fear of God if they are developed that way . There is the Turkish phrase on how God created the bigger mountains and the people who filled the void with creating the smaller mountains . A certain amount of sarcasm , but it's a concept that works . In that we are all mortals and imperfect . A string of successes increases the vanity with the call to ignore the overall situation and attribute all success to self . It can and will come to mind . It has to be beaten back , viciously . Uncontested it soon makes a residue that builds up in real quick time . A castle in the sand looks bigger than any mountain if viewed from the correct distance and perspective .

what this means in real life ? It means you can have an entire country going to hell , because there are thousands of people , followed by millions , who believe the US can't hack it anymore and will be abandoning the Middle East . To chaos and all . The void can be filled by those brave enough . And real cheap too with the use of proxies . Let dog eat dog and it will be a breeze to "save" all when the day comes . It's because of this that the El Kaide is really occupying territory south of the Border , creating the base area for the times when they will be coming for us . And with anything they want immediately supplied .

the Taliban started as a brilliant concept by the Pakistanis to capture the truck routes to Central Asia . Staggeringly "beautiful" in that Americans "confirmed" they didn't want us to be present in the Turkic states , since they were about to destroy the us for good , Kemal's Republic and all . Could have wasted quite a bit of the effort if we hid and bid our time for a comeback . Which also meant the "locals" could stage an uprising of sorts against the Muhajirs , the emigrees from India namely the officers from the days of the Indian Army before 1947 . Or maybe in consideration of the 50 years or so that has passed , rather the system of thinking which had shaped the Pakistani Military . Which was all stupid anyhow , considering they had never been able to defeat India . The Old had to go , which meant there were all kinds of posts that would open up for the New . All they had to do was becoming even more Islamic to impress the masses of Central Asia who were no doubt starving for Islam due to the decades of suffering under the Godless Communists . And they had lots of expendable fools in the Pashtun of Afghanistan .

sounds familiar ?

you ain't heard all yet . You might have been aware of the troubles between the Party and the Congregation . Goverment hence the Party has the "control" in the peace in the East . Meaning Congregation has to slow down a bit in the Islamization of Kurds ; and if that sounds funny it's only because it's so funny . Islam in this context naturally means cosmetic appearance and complete loyalty to Congregation and what it espouses in that particular moment . And one more thing is of course proper Jihadists take their orders from the Arab countries in the Gulf ; since these countries still need the weight and stature of paper tiger better known as Turkey they still treat Ankara with -uhm- reverence . Meaning Congregation lacks the means to expand in Syria ... Possession is nine point nine of tenths in battle zones and it's the Gulf bunch who possess . Must have ranted already on how people were drawing maps to decide on which corporation would take over which industrial zone in the conquered lands . Syrians do not care one bit on how the Congregation defeated the Turkish Army by guile and strength and whatever ; even if they would like Turkish Police arresting Esad for coup plotting ...

guessing where this goes ? Yeah , former diplomats / current heads of think tanks can not dare refute or even comment on questions in TV debates on whether it's correct that Ankara has established a Kurd only Jihadist group ... It stems from the reports in a French magazine specializing in Intelligence , which were initially suggesting the group was supposed to fight the Syrian branch of the seperatists . Later a more complete version appeared on-line to place blame ; it belongs to the Congregation ... Former seperatists combined with students who stay (hence are brainwashed) in the dormitories , for a 1 000 USD pay . Congregation immediately set its army of lawyers in motion and a site ı checked has the complete denial on the same page . Reading in part "There is not a single case in the world that has students from such schools acting in such a disreputable way." Poorly constructed in my belief ; instead of "such schools" it should have been "our schools" . Such schools or rather kinda poorer versions were where Taliban grew up to be a "factor in the world" .

and of course they just had to name their little thing as Ketibet el-Taliban ... It's not enough putting up Jihadists so that Western Media can portray this country as an imperialist state that employs murderers and religious fanatics ; we got to be responsible for the Afghan mess as well ! Who establishes a Taliban must be responsible for the original after all ... For the 10 thousandth time , the West will designate everybody as a "Turk" when our time for an UN Resolution / NATO bombing comes . Nobody will care for "Democrats" , America still has enough bombs for all 76 million citizens of this country ... Makes sense ? Of course , not . Why should it ?

once on top due to conspiracies , all people can think of is more conspiracies . The police has used 2 years' worth of tear gas stocks in two months against the Taksim Riots / Gezi Events . It's not the fault of the newly elites ; they are not too arrogant and too much and too less , it's some evil conspiracy and anybody who dares to speak up must be treated with proper heavyhandedness . So what ? This is the normal situation here . But Amnesty International or some similar organization starts a campaign to ban sales of tear gas to Turkey . And there we are . Starting local production next year . Have no doubts , the experts to run the factory will be the startin' point of investigations when America "agrees" with Moscow that the August 21st attacks in Damascus must "somehow" be related to this country ...

vanity is deadly , it leads you to believe that you can . No matter what ; all it will take is just a little more . This "a little more" is where your enemies will be waiting for you , just like the spider webbing for the flies to come .

and alas vanity is for everyone . By September 2 this thread was read 8000 times exactly . Just wanted to go beyond 9000 before the the month ends ... Never said ı was perfect or something ...

vanity is insidious . It makes you forget whence you came . It was blindingly obvious America and its cohorts desired a new 'stan in the Middle East , people in the entire establishment were already banking on it happening even before the seperatists started their spree of murder glorious struggle for liberation . They were always bandits and stuff , yet they would be real convenient for the teaching of manners to the Military who kept the country in the iron grip of Kemalism . Believe that not for one iota , for that Kemalism was the Kemalism of the generals who watched Kemal die .

in any case Santa Turgut did his finest to stop the COIN-by-the-book , to nip it in the bud . Reforms that would come would belong to him , since it would look like he was fighting tooth and nail against the despotic Military . Of which he had no reason to fear . The fight against the seperatists "started" with Özal inspecting the troops in shorts and slippers . America told him not to do that again . Let's not delve too much into how villages that didn't suffer too much in Military searches were soon re-visited for the proper treatment . It's indeed true that there is so much coercion in any by-the-book stuff , but all that violence is for nought if villagers get beaten for giving sacks of flour to bandits when it's known that they don't . And the best way to stop them giving food to enemy is large scale or perhaps "effective" patrolling to make sure the enemy can't approach the villages . When forced to choose with banditry on both sides , people tend to choose their kin .

actual fighting involved disasters of all kinds . Ours is supposed to be an army of huge experience dating back to Mete of Huns , 2200 years . It took almost a decade to get "moving" instead offering static plums for the seperatists to pick at will . It must be a hallowed tradition for new Commanders to talk bad of their precedessors , but it seems a certain General found it real stinking bad in some units he took over in the early 1990s . Chatting with the troops he discovered the dear seperatist leader was riding around every night , and he was here and there , flying from one hill top to the other , and that on his white horse . A friend of my brother served over there as a conscript in mid 1980s and it seems he believed the seperatists were so convinced of their cause that they would keep firing right in the moment they were free-falling 50 metres off some cliff . Doubt he saw it himself .

and the fighting kept on and on . Whenever a military solution was in hand , meaning the seperatists couldn't take the pressure anymore for the week something would happen and operations would be relaxed . A body count was always good enough . If parading 5 dead is effective , as we would see a line of bodies covered with tarp every night in the news , surely doing it with 50 should be even better , right ? State's victory was always around the corner yet each passing year meant there were more Easterners who doubted it . The seperatists were drafting youth from isolated villages at gunpoint , if there weren't enough volunteers and the draftees were getting killed alongside volunteers and old hands , yet the pace was so slow the "revitalization" of the fighting potential of the seperatists could not be stopped . Every new spot in the village graveyard was a reminder of there was a fight out there and it's not right for fathers to bury their sons : Volunteers would increase , in numbers and conviction . And then there were the rich kids , the sons of the feodals at the finest schools of the area , and they voluntereed too . They had to be in action to justify being governors and the elites of the new 'stan everybody said was just around the corner .


and Özal's Democracy ? Oddly enough it too centered around economic growth meant to increase the reach of "people" . A new kind of Rich Muslims , though any kind of Rich was also good enough for Santa Turgut as long as they heeded his word . In return for richness that could come quick he was asking any opponent to look other the way , while he was building an unbreakable control over the country . With money and an "allegiance to Islam" which was nothing but a conspiracy of sorts . People with him were eroding the Secular stuff not because the State was oppressing them in denial of freedom of Religion . It was just a cover for taking over the country ; if you were a "warrior" and proved it with overt and covert actions of all kinds you would be sure of support in case you were caught stealing something or in general mischief . It enabled people , it gave them courage . My classmates in the "Anatolian" , which was the finest education one could get at the time -apart from "Science High Schools" , will surely remember the time they got agitated over the Principal who was into flank speed reforming . It is almost 25 years and ı don't remember what happened but it is quite possible that it was something about the girl's dormitory or something and it's just normal that he might have defined the girls in some deragotary way . Anyhow a dozen students faced the Principal in the hallway and he simply said that he was so big a guy that anytime he went to bathroom , he was producing a piece of solid waste that would measure taller than any of the students present . You can also take it as that he meant the students were so little and worthless . The reaction of the students were so about the "Islamist" danger , which was the thing of those days . They were out to steal the country and take it back to Middle Ages , so you had to fight for the Secular Republic . And ignore the failings of it ...

the Principal went . Finally sometime later . Don't know why but surely not because of the dormitory . ı was in the funk that would ruin my life , wasn't paying much attention . There was a decent secular guy who went out of his way to graduate me , because ı had succeeded in the University entrance exams and was slated to be an Industrial Engineer . Something ı also failed and when ı came back for papers to re-enter the exams , the Principle had changed again and now it was the guy you could never talk eyebrows with ; his eyebrows being spectacularly overdeveloped . You were sure to get beaten if he ever caught you with the dice yet he wouldn't insult you in the face , taking confidence from other "warriors" on his side . And am confident as always that he actually believed in God ...

which is quite a rare thing in "believers" .

wasn't exactly doom and gloom , the era of Santa Turgut . Economy made great leaps , no doubt assisted by the fact that the coup of 1980 had achieved even greater strides in breaking the "organized" opposition , mainly the Leftists . After the venue was clear , no economy the size of Turkey's could fail to attain growth and success with abundant cheap labour . Which became even cheaper with each succeeding wave of reforms by Özal .

to ease the asssembly of wealth there were bonuses for exports and we had amazing people in foreign trade that grew from nothing to industrial giants , within a couple of years . Even if or maybe exactly because the truckloads of machinery exports declared and hence rewarded by the State tended to be truckloads of empty wooden cases . Even today nobody has an exact idea on how much money is laundered through the Turkish economy . Over ambitious thieves were caught , a few of them , when they tried to rob too much , too fast . More careful operators made actual and thriving industries . More than a few of them were into chasing skirts in night clubs , more than a few into praying as visibly as possible . Hac , visiting the Kabe in Mekke is an obligation for all Muslims ; if they are able and once in a lifetime is enough and you never get surprised to hear this businessman or that businessman has been there ten times already , or twenty ...

then there were the "bankers" ... Offering incredible interest rates -far higher than banks could dare- they collected vast amounts of funds from a very interested public . Everybody loves easy money . Then one by one , these one man , one office , one safe , one telephone on the single desk jobs started going under . Tons and tons of money disappeared . Only because the bankers would be paying their customers every month , they had to keep the money flowing ; and they just loved loaning to people who were offering even higher rates , money earning money on its own . It was a dream , the guy on the street after a week's work could buy any actress for the night , and you could read all that in the newspapers too . Then one day , the higher rates stopped paying . When the pool of funds collected was big enough ... Those higher rate people also tended to have the Mafia on their back . But then they didn't actually need the criminals that much . Since they had even better backing .

you are a member of a "criminal minority" and a coup plotter if you even think that the disaster befell many who had sold their houses and risked their entire savings on spectacular gains were the victims of people within a Democratically elected Goverment : Truly a traitor to the country if you suppose more than half of the pilfered funds ended up as investments in the coffers of the Anatolian Tigers , the new breed of Industrialists . Who rose by hard work in the field and generally "in the Mosque" , they certainly would be insulted if this came up . Or at least would look like so . Don't even try to remember that in the "bad times of the 1990s" the Secularists were lying to this beautiful nation with tall tales of "Islamic Corporations" robbing the Turkish Guest workers all over Europe ... In more than a few cases Heaven was actually guaranteed to the elderly ; if they parted with their retirement bonuses in the name of Islam ; or rather factories built up in the name of Islam .

but then this wasn't the original thing . The funds were needed to be big and impressive . To weather a financial crisis . In case the coming seperatist troubles would result in complaints to the likes of the US , who then could turn the screws on to make certain people in Ankara to see the wrongs of their way ...

ı have no idea why the US would lift a finger against a Marxist-Leninist terror organisation attacking a NATO ally , but then this is life . Completely baffling and mysterious ...

the current narrative exploits Santa Turgut to full ; as much as it can handle . He was a visionary , but not to the extent of the present leadership of the country . And he had seen fighting the seperatists was not the solution and that is so great ; only because the new Turkey has decided to recognize the "rights" of Kurds -so that they could be convinced to fight a proxy war on behalf of the new Turkey so that we would run this new Middle East to come . A previous experience of this gives credibility to deflect any charges of selling the country for political gains . Özal was such a great guy and a visionary to have foreseen this and acted accordingly ; he could have been doing all this now happening in the new Turkey 20 years earlier as reported by a lackey of him in yesteryears ; who currently is a lackey of the new . Mind you , his grandfather was a lackey of Kemal .

whaaattt ? A competitor to the brilliance of the smarties who defeated the Old Republic and teached manners to world leaders , in whose glory Barack Hussein was elected the President of the US , who in short order will make short work of this evil world order to bring Justice to all ? Hell , no . Only because of that little thing that would allow them to open yet another court case . See , the economic miracle worker and the peace visionary , Santa Turgut was on the verge of stopping the war in the East and hence was poisoned by the evil Military and coup plotters .

which is justification enough for the kangoroo courts in Turkey . They have to ignore procedural shortcomings and show no mercy and sweep aside any suggestions that the court cases are half lies and they are not exactly doing anything against the actual truths . Democracy is all important , people say on TV and write in newspapers . There's no need to be concerned about the reputation they are getting and giving to the State itself , this spectacularly spectacular hypocracy and all . If the coup plotters are not crushed in time , those pesky President murderers could do anything and everything to reverse our Nation's course , from an impending Golden Age to mediocracy and servitude of foreigners . Only God knows what disasters could befell this country if only ...

it was with great expectations the body of the deceased President was exhumed this year . Two main court cases had been "decided" and they were into appeals , the power of Democracy would suffer if it wasn't shown to be in action . Yeah , a new trial was in order , considering people were used to all this shows of force . Everybody had accepted the power of the new Turkey ; they weren't shocked anymore with such displays of splendour with every day news that yet another general was called to be questioned and how great this was and blah blah with yet more blah blah . The difference this time of course would be arresting Santa Süleyman . According to certain reports was certainly and surely involved with poisoning of Santa Turgut , because Demirel himself coveted the post of Presidency . And the Center Right would be engineered to prevent any formation of any Opposition that could actually win an election . If such a figure with the reputation of Santa Süleyman was a murderer and stuff , obviously the only honest people would be the ones now in charge and those who supported them , right ?

jaws dropped , when the Coroner failed to find traces of poison in the autopsy . Simple ... Not a refutation of that he might have been killed but proof that the Party and the Congregation failed to reach an agreement on whom to try in court . The Gezi Events were a factor as well ; the stinking White Turks -now agitated and cognizant of their staying power- could rally to Center Right if they saw it was in danger of extermination to the benefit of Islamists and the like . As such , the glorius case tries only one sacked Brigadier General . Who was one of those who saw early that the deal of 2007-8 was a not a deal at all and the cr_p would fall onto them and the Democrats would all come out smelling roses . He ran , instead of becoming a TV celebrity in jail with daily details of how the Islamists were selling the country with arresting secular military personage . And his days as a fugitive was cut short : Instead of finding foreign support and leverage he got flesh eating bacteria . Really rare in Turkey , ı must say . It's not clear if he will see the verdict ; or this is yet another sham to get people interested in his plight . Gives the proper message to the officer caste though , nobody in the world has an interest in a Turkey ruled by anybody else ...

so what happened to Santa Turgut ? It's all Bosnians' fault . Instead of rolling over dead they kept kicking .

was a thing to ponder when the foreigners decided they had misjudged the reach of Özal . It was one thing when the "Pre-Zidane" as he would prounce Bush the First -Second's father , you know- felt displeasure . Right after Saddam was kicked out of Kuwait and the North Iraqis were burning down all sorts of legal offices so that they could fake all kinds of deeds to prove Kerkük was theirs . Lord Vader's job definition throughout the 1970s was convincing people that he could scream "Mamaaaa!" in Sovietese and an Airborne Division would be on its way . Americans couldn't tell what would happen as soon as the first company of Turkish Special Forces crossed the border , without telling Americans . 1991 it was and the Soviet Union was still extant . If you doubt this , check what Putin has been doing in regards of Syria ... America stopped , made an hundred and eighty . Then it was back to normal ; they got an UN Mandate to help the Kurds who were fleeing in hundreds of thousands because America gave up protecting because Saddam's war machine was still good enough to kill a couple of Turks if that came to that . They needed building up N. Iraq before getting rid of Saddam .

in 1993 , it obviously wasn't 1991 . And to the especiale consternation of people who count that Santa Turgut and the like had been carried away by their public consumption efforts with mention of a Turkish world from the Adriatic to the Great Wall of China . It was one thing to have such rubbish as Turk's propaganda to Turk , quite another to actually work on this . Of course nothing ever would be done with assistance to the Bosnians . Here and there you hear of AKs bought from China and former Warsaw Pact countries ; and you certainly don't hear the percentage that reached Bosnia . It's irrelevant for the current narrative and the newlies who narrate ; theirs was only about justifiying "their" little war in Syria . Had happened in Bosnia , why the rejection now and so on . Without any reference to the simple thing : The Bosnians certainly didn't expect Turkish Armoured across the border within 10 days of "Central Goverment" starting massacres of the innocent ...

to the East , to the Great Wall of China ı mean , it was turning out to be entirely different . Özal was the leopard who was changing its spots . With a noticeable change in the interest to Central Asia , where he was becoming ever more active , just as Pakistanis were coming up with all sorts of projections of the Pashtun power . Imbecility of strategic thinking of theirs could be measured by the fact that they thought the Turkics of the area would have watch what they did with total reverence to Islamabad , if Islamabad held the only lines of Communication to the outside world . The Turkics obviously couldn't do what they did , that of remaining under Russian influence . When your are convinced of the brilliance of your concept , you ignore any possible pitfall and your tunnel-vision takes you into that tunnel ; where the light you see ahead is not that end of the tunnel but that of the freight train coming on with full speed ... In any case Pakistanis didn't like the opposition and made it known in Washington . But then that would be just a drop in the bucket .

far more dangerous were Western observations themselves . Özal was supposed to bring them Turkics into the Capitalist Camp instead of a campy Turkish Brotherhood concept in which Ankara would be the patriarch of an extented family to tell people what to do ; even when Ankara's orders would still come from Washington and the Capitalist Camp would still be raping people at will . Washington knew Russkies were still twitching , they had to be offered something so that they could give up more civilized parts of the Soviet Union . Baltic Republics freed and who would give a damn about the Turkics ?

the trouble was of course the Industrialists themselves . They had a bonanza waiting . With the amount of money they would buy a family car in Turkey , they could own a derelict but still freaking big factory in the Turkics . And that came with a workforce , that had to work unless they just loved to watch their families starve . Strangely enough , such people are really rare all over the world . Which coincided by the thing that quite a many of the Anatolian Tigers were getting to like actually building real stuff instead of "imaginary exports" and competing for real in the market . To Özal's detriment ; since the established companies were also taking advantage of the boom the Turkish economy was in and off . They too were growing and doing quite well in facing off the Tigers who would owe it to Santa Turgut , while the establishment with a mere shrug could surely side with Santa Süleyman , who had done terrifically in the 1960 and 70s to enrich the establishment . There wasn't space for everybody concerned . Some people would have to go . In real Capitalism you are supposed to do that with mergers , in actual Capitalism you might have bankrupt the opposition first , to get your merger ... Santa Turgut , planning to return to politics ( to run for Prime Minister)after his term as the President finished , needed his own power base , which meant stepping on some American Station Chief's shoe . If you think any conspiracy in Turkey can be run without such superior decision making , you are sorely mistaken .

such freedom of action was not an attribute of Özal . Apart from the hairdo and hair bands in Rock , the 1980s was a two Superpower world ; people were wary of too much troubles in each other's satellites . Özal's Empire was to come in "expense" of the Iranians who had rebelled against Washington . He figured it out , after regular State visits and meetings ; in chit-chats and stuff and spent the entire year of 1980 pitching it .

now the Iranian fools had shown that masses were unhappy with the way world economy exploited the oil wealth of the Middle East . Iranians on their own was not an exactly insurmountable problem ; the risk lay in the Sunni copy cats . The world really needed a Moderate Islamic success story , a country firmly in the Capitalist fold , with almost working Democratic notions but power still firmly in the hands a chosen potentate running a half Western half Middle Eastern country with a solidly performing economy . This economy thing was all important and mind you , he was running the Turkish economy under Santa Süleyman in the beginning of the year . In June he decided he could be the Prime Minister . By November / December he was adamant the success would be better assured if he was the President of the country in an American style Presidency .

americans nodded their heads as always . This was brilliant , very smart of Özal to think all that and Americans said that too whenever an opportunity came up . Santa Turgut would come up with all kinds of freedoms with specific concentration on economic growth to convince Joe Public that he was a right guy that could never do wrong meanwhile slowly slowly catchee monkee the country into an Islamist powerhouse . His vision of Kurds was a solid bloc of Sunni Islam that would vote for him in any election -which perforce had to happen time to time- and influence their brethen in the Shia Iran to rebel to prevent Tahran from exporting its revolution . ( Saddam wasn't opted in yet . ) Nothing in the way of breaking Iran's territorial integrity , nor Iraq or Syria . Though troubles in the last two would be worthwhile for Washington to have . Out of conspiratorial needs for mischief in countries in the Soviet sphere of influence and to teach manners to spoilt Iranians America could surely give Turkey to Özal , right ?

now that the seperatists were simply Leftist scum but with obvious potential to attract the locals -considering the wasteland the entire East was- the only way to combat them would be appealing to this Sunni Kurd mass -and to keep them at hand the country would have to embrace Islam . Enough examples all around and throughout the history that religion is way cheaper to control masses than respecting people and providing equal opportunity to all ... And Military would have to oppose that , with all those traditions and stuff . Rubbing the nose of the Army a bit would serve the purpose and they surely would have to agree after a couple of months of fighting . To talk of Allah and Kuran ; once started on the way the rest would come . Slowly slowly catchee monkee ...

özal himself is described as of Kurdish origin , yet his vision involved not an ethnic group but a feodally controlled and directed voting block that would always remain with him as he made Muslims of us all . And why did he need that ? There were already a solid Islamist segment of the country , but they were controlled either by Erbakan or under the influence of foreign interests ; he would seek their vote but it was easier to buy a village chief than trying to attract voters almost one by one . The East would feel gratitude if nothing else and he would use their weight in MPs to pass all sorts of laws , so that the people in the West would see where power was , in the hands of Santa Turgut , and would feel compelled to follow suit . At least they would shut up ...

and pray why he didn't try anything else ? Like a make believe liberal democracy or some nationalist utopia where each Turk was the equal of the world ? Return to the beginning of this post to the Sunni copy cats line . Özal was asking to replace Morrison Süleyman , America's best friend and that in a scheme to the detriment of the second largest Army in NATO . Which was as loyal as loyal puppies could be . To US interests , ı mean . The risk was terrible , Saudi Princes were feeling disenfranchized , they might try some ill advised adventure . Like toppling the Goverment in Riyadh and taking over the entire oil business for themselves . Naturally they would have to agree with Washington one day , simply to sell their oil but the dislocation could be terrible with the Oil Shock of 1979 just in . America simply "caved" in . American legs are so weak , they tremble visibly whenever they meet such splendour in scheming and plotting . Or so it seems , when the schemer thinks he is sooooo good .

the breathtaking , almost meteoric rise of Turkey since 1980s is solely because of French professionals in St. Tropez . These women satisfied these two Saudi Princes in some hotel , took their money and laughed after them . Within their range of hearing . Also recorded by the "Company" . Chimed in by Bush in the "last meeting" . He hadn't yet become Bush the First but was on the ticket for the Veep . Clinched the deal .

[apologies for brevity and the waste of this post , but ı don't think it could be anything more than a chapter of half a page long .]

oh yeah , Ankara was ready to provide the joygirls for the Arabian playboys . Is there anything new under the sun ? When it comes to brilliance in Ankara , hell , no .

to attract funds from the Gulf and to offer them the best of two worlds , this country was to be remodeled . With Democracy , no less ... 20 people dying daily and the coup which would happen and the coup everybody knew that would happen was being delayed though . The commanding general at the time of coup , hence the 7th President of the Republic was asked what was the delay and he answered the "Situation at the time was not right." with Washington whining on for undisclosed reasons . Between you and me , only because Saddam was having issues with his control in Iraq and not because the summer heat is that much in Khuzestan . For the Americans had seen no reason to tell the Generals or Santa Turgut that there was supposed to be a war and he was supposed to drag this country in for one reason or the other and our membership in NATO would be cancelled since America had already secured the ways to fill the void that would result from our expulsion .

unbelieveable or even worse ? China into Vietnam and humiliated quickly , yet solidly still on the way to Capitalism ? Kinda expressly because of getting defeated by Vietnam ? Russia into Afghanistan which they were sure to win with typical Russian brutality in making war ? And trying their luck in Iran as well , with lots of American fingers crossed ? Greek Islands choking the exit from Black Sea ? And the typical Turkish penchant for remembering stuff everybody already forgot 10 times over ? Of the times when Russians would capture Turkish forts and grab the babies of the refugees inside to throw them in the air ? To watch them fall onto fixed bayonets ?

that's almost 6 months of delays . Makes a lot of dead people with 20 a day .

the coup came . And soon enough the war . Where Saddam expected to destroy Iran quickly enough to turn on the front that mattered . Where we stood , shunned by the rest of the world due to the rapid Islamization under Özal , defenseless and stuff . Saddam was a brilliant strategist you know , talking of capturing the source of Tigris and Euphrates and allowing the unruly Kurds to keep an eye on his behalf , in case the Kurds behaved ... Oh my . Oh my . Still made sense to the rank and file of the Iraqis . We were in the Western camp and we were building far too many dams on the rivers . What if we simply stopped the flow of the water ? In the way the Israelis have been writing tons of articles since the 1950s on Ethiopia and us . What's Iraq without the two rivers , apart from a parched hell on Earth ? You can't exactly drink oil after all .

wasn't on the radar in Ankara . The only "Revolution" the Military did after the coup was ? You shouldn't be surprised one bit ... Having a belly-dancer on the air on TV , the State Channel , the one and only at the time , right at 12 o'clock , right on time with the new year ... Or was it in 1981 / 82 ? ı can't remember with so many years , but ı certainly didn't see the belly . Nesrin Topkapı , who was really famous at the time , had a totally closed dress ...

there were other concerns . The military had its own brilliant scheme as far as people from the time suggest . Legistating the elections of 1983 as far as possible to have a two party system . With one on the Left and one on the Right . We being a Little America in so many supposed ways , this was intented to end in the obvious . The one on the Left to become the Dems and the one on the Right to become the thing between the Reptiles and Repulsive in the dictionaries ... This is when Özal appeared almost out of the blue as the third way . He was supposedly opposed by the Military , all the newspapers reported , and the Military had to back down , in full view of the people . Since America was obviously behind Santa Turgut and denying him and his party a place in the polls was certainly a poor move with accusations of rigged elections sure to follow .

so was the dice cast ...

What is this thread?

something that bugs a couple of people by minimally inspiring an unjustified feeling that there are still some Turks out there somewhere ; though ı am not one of them .

"so was the dice cast ... "

and what has been achieved with this ? This being not a gamble but a sure footed , never fooled operation -in the eyes of the conspirators of it . Yes , what's the balance sheet now ? Let's see ... US Media powerhouses seem bent on publishing stuff that openly accuses the Turkish Goverment of the bloody mess in Syria ; the place where the onwards march of Democracy and "Liberal" Free Market stumbled . According to this , the head of the National Intelligence is supposed to be hand in hand with his counterparts in S. Arabia and Iran to work on the Secterian differences in Syria , the resulting hatred being a prime reason why Esad is still around . Really ..? Iran and Saudi Arabia in the same boat , rowing in the same direction ? Wondering aloud why the Saudi guy can't convince the Iranian guy to convince Damascus to roll over and die .

the Turkish Media says it's a plot against the Goverment . Is there anything that's not a plot against the Goverment and the PM ? Apparently he found the cause of the traffic jams in Istanbul last week , as far as a single snippet of a TV news ı heard during channel surfing says . The loosers who lost big in the Gezi events / Taksim riots are sabotaging the traffic flow with slow driving ... Indeed , we learn this foreign interest in the Goverment and its long list of successes is solely because the loosers did it once again -ending on their sitting muscles- and the West has taken up the slack ; the traitors who demonstrated so convincingly in the Summer have utterly failed to deliver the "Hot Autumn" they seemed to be promising . With seperatists showing care to firebomb some State institution or vehicle every week , so that the White Turks can be painted to be allies of the said seperatists . They be demonstrating against the same ; they be same exactly .

in fact the Autumn danger was wholly drummed up by the newly elites . There's this Highway project in Ankara to pass through the "gardens" of an University Campus , which tends to be a hotspot for anti-Goverment demonstrations ; the exact place where the Police practically invaded once to scare the students from shouting and stuff when the PM arrived . He wouldn't ; but for the unfortunate fact that the center for the Satellite operations is located there and there is lots of PR during a satellite launch , right ? And of course the road has to be built for the higher interests of the country , with a thousand or two trees to be removed . Why's that ? Because some dude was allowed to build a skyscraper in the place where the road was supposed to be . Plans in Turkey are made to be broken , after the funds are properly appropriated . And that's the whole of the open fear for the last couple of months , with all kind of commentators spending thousands of hours to convince the people before something happens that something is the fault of traitors and traitors alone .

but there's no limit to the majesty of the newly elites . They sure will like it -and beam with pride- when they figure out the Air Force shot down a Syrian helicopter right before the FED in the US was to cut down pumping money to stock markets in "Developing" Countries and this made FED forget that 85 billions a month was money or something . No financial crisis in Turkey , no demonstrations , no election defeats , no court cases and no prison sentences in the exact scale they have been smashing people with . Oh yeah , are you in doubt they won't think like this , even more and never less ? Though the Air Force still seems reluctant to show the HUD imagery of the their great victory ; they had no qualms with the own RF-4 crash ... This war thing seems to be tried a couple of times by the Foreign Minister ; before the tide seemed to turn he was always like reducing the threat level . For two or three years straight whenever war was mentioned , the Turkish State with all its tools would define the prospects as Cold War in the Middle East ; a bad thing drummed by the enemies of the country , especially by lobbies of a country with a name starting with I and ending with L . All sworn to deny the glorious future -the one this country had on undefined grounds which ı still can't understand .

yes , the Foreign Minister says no problem in the world will be discussed without Turkey . Sure , any problem will be blamed on us but that's not the way he sees it . Henceforth to be called the Little Imperialist , he is so sure that talking is all there is to power and he can talk his way out of 2014 by grandiose claims of reach and effect . He "hates" the mediocrity that Turkey was , wows there will be no return to those days . Finishes all that with a lambasting of the US Media for being biased and under the influence of certain elements . Those who lived the 1960s remember the symptoms from Nasır's Egypt . Does this country really deserve the impending need for an Enver Sedat , within a century of Mustafa Kemal , and ı actually admire Sedat as Somebody and Someone told me that it was all he could do with the means at hand . Mediocrity is always easier on the people ; let people to live in complete blissful ignorance of how the entire Crusades thing was invented in the days when this country was put up or every single institution in conspiracy worlwide is somehow connected to the Europe and the Colonialism it conducted and that not always through a bunch of people who actually don't know how to lay bricks ... Say , despite their own claims as outlined in the Wikipedia , the Chinese Triads were recognized by the Papal Authority in 1562 , in case the Ottomans achieved a lasting presence in India and travelled further afield ; they hark back to at least to 1340s as a plausibly deniable asset for some Governor . As told to Lord Vader in his luggage carrying days by China Commies . The said Commies also added that Bruce Lee would beat him to a pulp if he was ever caught .

Alright, then. Keep doing... whatever you're doing.

you ain't no global power if your Education Minister has to use the media to warn all the female teachers that they are free to cover their heads but there are plots to get photos of women in "çarşaf" , practically a burka without the veil . If there are plots stopping them works quite well ; and it's all together different if you are afraid the Western Media will see actual teachers working in it and use it . ı don't know to what purpose ; the present world wants this country to be the van of Fundamentalism ... Despite all the theories and warm applause about Moderate Islam , there is nothing that suggests it's for real . We are supposed to fail and take down all Moderate stuff with us down to the bottom .

the Americans have printed a couple of articles and we have shelled El Kaide positions . Have arrested some 85 militants who took refuge in the country ; arrested one and expelled the rest . Though in reality there was probably nothing that forced those Freedom Fighters to take refuge , they expected to sleep over for the night , have a meal and go back on the morrow , to come back for the night . And of course there has been the release of 9 Lebanese . These 85 could have been their escort to this country ; in any case the thing you would expect . This country should be painted as one who takes hostages , right ? Reach and effect and jealousy at this magnifique influence . Yeah , sure .

didn't seem so clear in 1980 , or was as clear as the water you drink . Depending on whom you ask .

yet nobody denies the country was in for a change . Haven't made it clear enough in a previous post . The revolutionary thing about Nesrin Topkapı wasn't that she was made to wear a dress that showed nothing and it was only through the "sit" of it on her curves that you saw she was a woman . Well , perhaps the long hair made it certain . The thing was she appeared on the State TV , the only TV , as the prime subject instead of a generally censored background image in some movie . Belly dancing was so Arabesque and ı do remember Arabs were not exactly liked by the elites and stuff . One of the highlights of Özal's "reforms" was a sense of freedom in the media and a writer ı used to read was some guy who could be truly aggressive . A critic of everybody and everything he had one acerbic article on "Leyla ve Mecnun" , a movie about the story of the same name . Turned out he knew the screen writer and director personally ; harsh commentary on the movie and its degenaration and stuff with the director working on such an abomination while his wife played the piano for him .

money makes the culture . Artists have to earn bread to live and they have the artistic license to rant on how people are debasing the culture . Is this an entry on how cultureless this all Arabesque stuff is ? Not at all . Orhan Gencebay , the lead actor in the film named above , is really a famous name in Turkish music and in my days in depression and stuff of the 1990s he had a couple of songs on the playlists . If you feel like drowning , the fatalism -much more evident in other artists- in the songs he did can do wonders on you . For there is still a possibility of getting up if it's fate that knocked you down -instead of the "fact" that you won't ever amount to anything . My niece was once horrified at the songs ı had on my computer ... And is it because of the songs on the radio in the 1990s that ı include him among the right people in the Hülya Koçyiğit and Just a Few are not Traitors Committee ? Of course not . There's nothing wrong in trusting the Turkish PM , for it is a right as much as it is a right to not to trust the Turkish PM .

but then there's something really wrong declaring that people have been oppressed and their culture will be recognized -as Uncle Sam plots a new scheme and needs local boots on the ground . For Uncle Sam might soon devise another plot and one may find it real hard to return to Square One . If that return has to involve some real amount of coercion . Nobody should delve into personal freedoms and stuff if one doesn't believe in them . The ease they can be provided -under Western tutelage- makes it so easy to ponder that they can be taken back so easily . A couple of articles in New York Times and Washington Post will not be effective enough to get all those people to support the new Turkey and the hoped for support in return for personal freedoms will not materialize either . Santa Turgut was losing everything when people had almost a decade of him ; if he hadn't been elected the President by his majority in the Parliament he would go to court and -with almost no doubt- to jail . Even the dumbest of voters can see it in case there is a gap between the PR and the truth . In 1989 nobody really cared Özal had won the elections of 1983 , nor his freedoms and stuff .

[this post is random generalization and certainly not a bargaining position . We , even when in the Starfleet , are not -sümme hâşa- gods , can not stop the advance of time to 2014 . The non-English words mean "I regret the expression." ]