A Babylon 5 Mod for the Final Frontier Mod

@Premier Vale: When are you getting the CTD's? If it is in-game, a button or unit art is probably bad. If it is during loading, make sure there are no missing tags or extra spaces in the XML files.

JEELEN said:

Will try again today to see what happens. (I was playing Custom Game with only B5 civs active.) BTW, I like the PDS addition with the zero movement.

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Unable to recreate CTD as mod won't load after "LoadXML call failed for Misc/CIV4TerrainPlaneInfos.xml" (+ additional load error message), which appears identical to the one fixed in MOO2Civ Patch3: http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=8788 (however, can't confirm this, as I haven't tried this myself for the B5 load error). Just thought I'd mention it in case it helps.

Ajidica said:

@Premier Vale: When are you getting the CTD's? If it is in-game, a button or unit art is probably bad. If it is during loading, make sure there are no missing tags or extra spaces in the XML files.

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Actually, I'm not getting this CTDs.

JEELEN said:

Unable to recreate CTD as mod won't load after "LoadXML call failed for Misc/CIV4TerrainPlaneInfos.xml" (+ additional load error message), which appears identical to the one fixed in MOO2Civ Patch3: http://forums.civfanatics.com/downloads.php?do=file&id=8788 (however, can't confirm this, as I haven't tried this myself for the B5 load error). Just thought I'd mention it in case it helps.

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That is weird, as I haven't touched that file, does it exists in your installation?, remember that the supplied files are to overwrite the FF ones.

Getting weirder it is: first the mod loaded fine (CTDed later), then a load error that shouldn't occur... I'd better wait til the next patch/version, I guess...

Hi people!

The new version is ready: v0.1.6c

New stuff:


My alternate server is up again, but if you prefer I'll upload the file to this forums.

What do you think of the Fighter/Squadron approach?

Some more thoughts on the fighters:


Still no ideas on the Dilgar button?? (the Dilgar shield), also, since all major powers are ready, I'll start working on the other races (Drazi, Pak'ma'ra, Brakiri, Gaim, and the League) so buttons for this other ones will soon be required (leader names would also be nice).

@ Jeelen
If you still encounter problems with this release, I would suggest a full re-build of the mod.

Premier Valle! (DLed.)

BTW, I mentioned this before, when will there be any buildings to build?

PS: Your sig reads "I'm on Mexico City. (Don't know if that's possible - never been there.)

Got to turn 70: CTD. (Load error messages still there, but clicking on 'em makes 'em go away.) Here's the .SAV file just before CTD:

Sorry for the disappearence, but RL became a real pain.

As for ships, below is the models I have, and they are already textured:

HUMAN:

Earth Alliance:

EA Asimov Liner
EA Babylon5 station
EA Aeolus Recovery Ship
EA Ardent Monitor
EA Asslt Gunboat
EA Atm Shuttle
EA Breaching Pod
EA Cotton Class Fleet Tender
EA Earth Force One
EA Explorer
EA Ganymede Research Complex
EA G.O.D. Def Sats
EA Hyperion
EA IPX Icarus
EA Lifepod
EA Olympus Corvette
EA Omega Destroyer
EA Omega-X Shadow Hybrid Destroyer
EA Polaris DN
EA Presidential Escort Starfury
EA Sagittarius Missile Cruiser
EA Jumpgate
EA Maintenance Fury
EA Nova
EA Skydancer Scout
EA Starfury
EA Tanker
EA Thunderbolt ground attack fighter
EA Transports
EA Transports 2
EA Warlock
EA Tempest
Excalibur & Jumpoints

Psi Corps:

PSI Corps Mothership
Black Omega Starfury


Brakiri:

Brakiri Avioki Cruiser
Brakiri Tashkat Advanced Cruiser


Centauri:

Centauri atm Shuttle
Centauri Balvarian Carrier
Centauri Brezebel Transport
Centauri Covran Scout
Centauri Primus BC
Centauri Ragesh 3 Base Station
Centauri Rutharian Strike Fighter
Centauri Scarab
Centauri Sentri Fighter
Centauri Vorchan


Dilgar:

Dilgar Sekhmet CA


Drakh:

Drakh Cruiser
Drakh Ftr
Drakh Raider
Drakh Shuttle


Drazi:

Drazi Firebird
Drazi Shipyard
Drazi Sky Serpent Strike Fighter
Drazi Stormfalcon
Drazi Strikehawk Carrier
Drazi Sunhawk


First Ones:

First Ones Holographic Head
First Ones Lordship
First Ones Sigma Walkers
First Ones Thoughtforce
First Ones Torvalus Dark Knife
First Ones Triad


Ipsha:

Ipsha Battle Sphere


Lumati:

Lumati Transport


Minbari:

Minbari Morshin CVE
Minbari Nial Ftr & Flyer
Minbari Shargoti CA
Minbari Sharlin CA
Minbari Skylark Transport
Minbari Tinashi Frigate
Minbari Torotha Asslt Frigate
White Star


Narn:

Narn Base
Narn Bin'Tak DN
Narn Gorith Space Superiority Fighter
Narn Frazi Fighter
Narn G'Quan CA
Narn Jumpgate
Narn Sho'Kar Scout CL
Narn Thentus Frigate
Narn Th'Nor Cruiser
Narn T'loth Assault Cruiser
Narn Tor'eth Escort Corvette
Narn T'Ralie Transport


Raiders:

Raider Carrier
Raider Fighter


Shadows:

Shadow Carrier & various Fighters
Shadow DN
Shadow Cruiser
Shadow Scout


Soul Hunters:

Soul Hunter Ship


Technomages:

Technomage Pinnace


Third Space:

Third Space Cap Ship
Third Space FTR


Vorlons:

Vorlon Advanced DN
Vorlon Corvette
Vorlon Destroyer
Vorlon DN
Vorlon Fighter
Vorlon Freighter
Vorlon in Environment Suit - Just in case someone would want to make a LH
Vorlon Lt Fighter
Vorlon Planet Killer
Vorlon Strike Fighter
Vorlon Transport


Vree:

Vree Xill Saucer
Vree Xorr Battle Saucer


To get these models all Premier Valle has to do is PM me his Email address and I will send him 5 at a time. When he gets each set done and in game I will send him another set of five. That way he does not get overloaded.



Cheers, Thorgrimm

Yeez! Awesome stuff!

Welcome back Thorgrimm, we've missed your input.
Okay let's see what we have so far.
The Major Races (Human, Narn, Centauri and Minbari) are all represented as are the Dilgar (we still need a flag/button for them).
With Thorgrimms impressive list of ships we have 99.9% of the ships we need, though it could easily be 100%.

I Don't want to start adding in the Shadows and Vorlons Just yet as they would be unstoppable as an active Civ. We would need to find a way to have them in the game as an area of space no one goes into but that does exert an influence on the various races. Maybe the could have a stealth ship that acts as a spy to introduce Shadow/Vorlon culture/influence to a star system, say 1 or 2 points of culture/influence which slowly accumulates and the first to get to 100 points wins the influence war and that race then sides with the winner and gets use of a Shadow or Vorlon ship. What do you guys think?

Stuff still to do. Civics, Buildings, Traits and the Tech descriptions(my fault this isn't furher ahead).

Thanks to Premier for all the work on the Civs so far.


The above suggestions all sound fine to me. What does everyone else think?

For the Traits i thought about having a Common Racial Trait and then 1 or 2 Individual traits specific to the Leaders. EG. Neroon would be Minbari/Aggressive/Expansive, Delenn would be Minbari/Spiritual/Protective and Dukhat Minbari/Spiritual/Philosophical. The benefits of the traits would need to be agreed upon. There would have to be a disadvantage in each of the Racial traits that is tempered/offset by benefits in the other 2. What does everone think?

Premier some info for you.

I would recommend that if we cannot find ships and or planetary home names for any of the non aligned races we should leave them out for the time being. They can always be added as a patch if we find the information.
I'm going to try and post the most up to date files on Post 1 of this thread sowe can all have a look at what we have so far.

First off: so far!

PsiCorps said:

I Don't want to start adding in the Shadows and Vorlons Just yet as they would be unstoppable as an active Civ. We would need to find a way to have them in the game as an area of space no one goes into but that does exert an influence on the various races. Maybe the could have a stealth ship that acts as a spy to introduce Shadow/Vorlon culture/influence to a star system, say 1 or 2 points of culture/influence which slowly accumulates and the first to get to 100 points wins the influence war and that race then sides with the winner and gets use of a Shadow or Vorlon ship. What do you guys think?

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How about 2 opposite sectors on the map with nebula borders? (Could be sealed off by a special unit, so Shadow/Vorlon contact will occur later in the game.)

PsiCorps said:

I would recommend that if we cannot find ships and or planetary home names for any of the non aligned races we should leave them out for the time being. They can always be added as a patch if we find the information.
I'm going to try and post the most up to date files on Post 1 of this thread sowe can all have a look at what we have so far.

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Non-aligned races could be barbarians or minor civ(s) - with FF star system names if necessary.

Okey dokey, the most up to date files we have are now in Post #1 of this thread.

Have fun.

DLed!

I Knew i had forgotten something.

I Prefer the 3 fighter images to the single fighter. One fighter makes you think it is one ship, 3 fighters looks a little more like a flight.

Thanks, for the welcome back.

As for the League of Non-Aligned Worlds I say make them as a player race. but still able to kick some tail. The Brakiri and Drazi are no slouches and then throw in the Vree withtheir Battle Saucers and the Ipsha battle globes and that is a really good variety of ships.

Just make the ships of the different races require a unique 'resource' to be built. Each resource would be a race, aka, a Brakiri race, a Drazi race etc, etc. Then start them on their different homeworlds. that way the ships of the different races can only be built in their home systems. If need be, I will look of the names of the League's worlds.

Heck, if we get all the ships done I would love to take on the elder races as the league. If you watch the episodes with the shadow war in them, especially near the end where all the younger races take on the Shadows AND the Vorlons you will see that the Leagues ships did a great job.

As for the Shadows and Vorlons I would have them 'walled up' with a nebula and use your idea for spies to spread their culture. Then if a race is influenced enough by either side they begin to have random events happening, until the events culminate in the Shadow War where the Shadows are released first, and then when enough Shadow War events happen the Vorlons are released.

This way you can have events like Morden's Question to Mollari, "What do you want?" Or Kosh's question to Sheridan, Who are you?"

I can come up with a LOT of event ideas for this if the idea is approved, just I can't implement them.



Cheers, Thorgrimm

Here is a wee list I came up for League worlds and colonies.


The Abbai. Their Homeworld is Abbai 4 called SsumsshaA, which orbits the Star Beta Pictoris in Sector 16, Tavita Colony, Beshilay

Brakiri, Brakos, Kara, D'Grn 4

The Drazi, their homeworld is Zhabar, Shambah III, Zagros VII, Drathun II, Drathun IV, Heptharg III, Fendamir, Mokafa Station

The Gaim, their home planet is N'chak'fah

The Hyach, So far I can't find their HW name, and they did not have any colonies.

The L'Lort, their homeworld is Vartas

The Markab, Markab or Tau Pegasi

The pak'ma'ra, their homeworld is Melat

the Slaani, Govae

The Vree, their homeworld is Vreetan, Alzeral, Photikar, Deruzala


And some names for the Centauri, Dilgar and Narn.

The Dilgar, Homeworld is Omelos, Salos


Centauri, HOMEWORLD, Centauri Prime
Batain (DM+ 4 4048) VI Outpost
Beta 1 IV Colony - controlled by House Toulani and is popular tourist destination.
Beta 3 II Colony
Brackesh 9
Centauri (Zeta Tucanae)
Centauri Beta I
Republic Station
Emperor's Retreat
Coutor II Colony
Davo
Gorash
Immolan V Colony - one of the first Centauri colonies established on an uninhabited world.
Lorro Outpost
Trollo Station
Quadrant 1 (Sigma Draconis)
Beata Colony
Quadrant 27 (DM+ 36 13940 A)
Turan Station
Turan I Outpost - mining colony
Ragesh (Epsilon Indi)
Ragesh III Colony - agricultural colony
Ragesh Station
Tolonius
Tolonious VIII Colony - controlled by House Maro



The Narn, Homeworld is Narn
Ardun
Binar II
Maroth
Promith IV
T'llin
Ree'kar IX
Tuchanq
Quadrant 14
Quadrant 37
Zhe
Dras
Zok
Halax VII



Cheers, Thorgrimm

Hello all!

JEELEN said:

Got to turn 70: CTD. (Load error messages still there, but clicking on 'em makes 'em go away.) Here's the .SAV file just before CTD:

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I couldn't load it, CTDed while loading... any more info??, do you have an idea of what in the universe was happening? (take the question literally)

Thorgrimm said:

Sorry for the disappearence, but RL became a real pain.

As for ships, below is the models I have, and they are already textured:
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To get these models all Premier Valle has to do is PM me his Email address and I will send him 5 at a time. When he gets each set done and in game I will send him another set of five. That way he does not get overloaded.

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Hi buddy!, nice to have you back! ...well, there is a lot to answer so I'll get straight down to business (we all can have some more beers anytime).

About the models:
- are they in nif format?
- are they textured?
- are they linked to animations?

Sorry for asking all of this, but ever since I started working I have little time to work on the mod (or anything else for that matter ), and those things listed above are skills that I do not posses, so, if the answers to those questions are negative perhaps we can delegate that stuff on someone else, and then I can mod them in.

PsiCorps said:

With Thorgrimms impressive list of ships we have 99.9% of the ships we need, though it could easily be 100%.

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About the ship percentaje please read my thoughts later on this post.

About the Shadows, Vorlons and First Ones... I think of them as events, perhaps once a particullar technology has been reseached some events may trigger

About the traits, I support the idea of having a trait per race, and at least another trait per leader.

Thanks for the leader names!.

PsiCorps said:

Okey dokey, the most up to date files we have are now in Post #1 of this thread.

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Will check ASAP

PsiCorps said:

I Knew i had forgotten something.

I Prefer the 3 fighter images to the single fighter. One fighter makes you think it is one ship, 3 fighters looks a little more like a flight.

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I do also vote for the 3 fighter approach, but remember, shall this be the option taken, there could be a serious loss of performance in the game thanks to high poly count (sorry, being a software developer, I think of this things not lightly... whatever, In case this becomes a problem we could always use the single fighter approach). More comments on this, please!

Thorgrimm said:

As for the League of Non-Aligned Worlds I say make them as a player race. but still able to kick some tail.

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As for the League of non aligned worlds, I have thought on making it a playable race, with several leaders, one for every integrant of it.

But the major league races would be independent (Drazi, Brakiri, Gaim, Pak'ma'ra - or at least are the most representative ones). Lack of ships could be filled with a common-ship treeline (I mean, not every race has every kind of ship - even major races)

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Here is a wee list I came up for League worlds and colonies. ...

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Will do thanks!

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huh!, that was tiring!, Ill take a break ... ... OK, now onto my input!

Now, here is something we haven't discussed:
The Babylon 5 ships that appeared in the series (and I presume those in the mini-wars set) they all belong to the same ... "time" (more or less a few years).
Will we use only those ships?, or do we use pre-B5 and post-B5 ships also?
i.e.:
The Earth Alliance didn't start with Nova dreadnoughts and Hyperions, some class (or several) of ship(s) must have existed before.
Also, before the Earth Alliance can have planet killers, some more advanced ship class should be available (even more advanced than Warlocks).
On the other hand having so much ships will reduce the time the B5 original ones could be used, but perhaps just a few pre and post B5 ships to explicitly show the pass of time (artistic licence anyone?) (*)

About the buildings, ever since planetary buildings do not need a 3D model, we can start adding them anytime, but what about orbital ones (shipyards and the like), do we use FF's ones?

@JELEEN

Spoiler :

PS: Your sig reads "I'm on Mexico City...

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oops!, I guess it should say: Ich bin in Mexico Stadt
... Ich bin Deutsch noch lernen (you probably have already seen that )

(*) I have always wanted to use this smiler

Premier Valle said:

I couldn't load it, CTDed while loading... any more info??, do you have an idea of what in the universe was happening? (take the question literally)

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Not really, but I can check. (I started a custom game with 2 EA civs and B5 civs only and was about to discover an advance, not having met any other civ yet after 70 turns.)

For the rest: Thorgrimms input kind of makes any comment redundant.
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PS: Actually, on the avatar: Ich bin auf Mexico Stadt could be considered funny (being part-German I missed that!). BTW, you're still requesting B-5 ships (according to the sig at the bottom of post). Really!?

Hello there. Work is being carried out on a Babylon 5 mod for Space Empires V. You may want to investigate at http://home.spaceempires.net - perhaps you guys can help each other out.
There's also a B5 mod for Space Empires IV available for DL on that site, and it's pretty good. However it's not quite finished (Shadows and Vorlons don't work) and it looks like it won't be now.

@Premier Valle, the ships are textured, but only in LWS or 3DS formats. My version of Max is version 5 so the tool here for converting them to .NIF format does not work for me.

So I cannot convert them for civ. I can only provide them for use and conversion by someone else.



Cheers, Thorgrimm