Guess the New Civs

Gucumatz · Apr 17, 2012

Roltel said:
Still just a newbie dabbling, but thought I'd throw this in the mix not as a prediction, but more as a talking point.

We've got civs already, or announced, that specialise in culture, economics/trade, science, military (both offence and, with Ethiopia now, defence), naval/maritime and, to come, faith. What about a new civ with some sort of unique ability/unit/building concerned with espionage?
Okay, I know England's supposed to get an extra spy, but I'd still consider it more a naval-oriented civ in the game, but is there any potential civ that could be an espionage specialist.
Off the top of my head, if we didn't already have Germany and Korea, I'd suggest East Germany or North Korea would have been a good fit. Anyone else?

Israel?

Oh wait...

What would be a good espionage civ that could get in that isn't already in with realistic chances? Not really any I can think of either. Israel would be a good choice but they are out.

So I would have to think someone or some wonders will be reworked.

sumodaz · Apr 17, 2012

Stormy28 said:
I'm thinking that the Inuit might be the last unannounced Civ in G&K. I know this isn't much to go on, but there's a belief called "Dance of the Aurora" (+1 Faith from Tundra tiles without Forest).

I've been hoping for Inuit, good theory Stormy. I really hope we get a civ which benefits from snow, and it would be really cool if a civ could use ice to its advantage too, ice as a workable tile?

Roltel · Apr 17, 2012

Gucumatz said:
Israel?

Oh wait...

What would be a good espionage civ that could get in that isn't already in with realistic chances? Not really any I can think of either. Israel would be a good choice but they are out.

So I would have to think someone or some wonders will be reworked.

Yeah, I know. It's not that easy. But here's one I'll throw out there:

Italy
UA: something like "Machiavellian Intrigue"? Culture bonus for successfully carrying out an spionage mision.
UU: Leonardo's Cannon (actually, that could also be a good stop-gap between the units in the "Crossbow-Gatling Gun" debate)
UB: Medici Bank (xtra gold and maybe also some sort of defence against espionage - representing the intelligence contacts the Italian renaissance banks were able to build and use)

ferretbacon · Apr 17, 2012

I've seen Tibet as a suggestion, but has anyone thought of Nepal? I think Asia could use a civ in this expansion and the most obvious region in Asia that lacks representation is the Himalayan area.

I don't know about a UA or a second UU/UB, but I'd love for them to have a Gurkha UU.

blackcatatonic · Apr 17, 2012

One problem with Italy - we already know Milan is going to be added as a City-State, to say nothing of the several Italian City-States already in the game...

dagriggstar · Apr 17, 2012

Afghanistan is the only real "new" civ I can think of that isn't already included and could have some espionage related bonus. Even then though, it'd just be like "It is harder for spies to succeed with their objectives".

Would be much easier to re-work espionage benefits to existing civs.

Grubnessul · Apr 17, 2012

Although this will sound condescending: how could you think Inuit or Afghanistan would be included? Neither have dominated (their part of) the world, build magnificent cities, achieved scientific breakthrough or had a huge impact on history like most other civs in the game. They did not build empires. I'm not sure how either could create interesting game play without the only recognizable being their names.

I'd sooner expect India to be broken up into Moghuls and Vijaynagara than either of these two being included.

Heart Break Kid · Apr 17, 2012

Grubnessul said:
Although this will sound condescending: how could you think Inuit or Afghanistan would be included? Neither have dominated (their part of) the world, build magnificent cities, achieved scientific breakthrough or had a huge impact on history like most other civs in the game. They did not build empires. I'm not sure how either could create interesting game play without the only recognizable being their names.

I'd sooner expect India to be broken up into Moghuls and Vijaynagara than either of these two being included.

The Inuits (which is a web of societies rather than a single Civ) have dominated their part of the world, no less than the Polynesians at least.

tofofnts · Apr 17, 2012

Liex said:
So at least Maths wants Brazil in. Well, that is a start

Actually, now it seems more like math wants hungary or poland

Louis XXIV · Apr 17, 2012

Stormy28 said:
I'm thinking that the Inuit might be the last unannounced Civ in G&K. I know this isn't much to go on, but there's a belief called "Dance of the Aurora" (+1 Faith from Tundra tiles without Forest).

That's almost certainly a reference to northern Native American tribes, like Inuit or Cree, who have a very spiritual connection to Aurora Borealis.

Wouldn't that be unfair to the Celts. It would really hurt their uniqueness if another civ gets the same thing from a different terrain type.

I've suggested something before where they could cross snow tiles and there was no city unhappiness penalty for cities founded on tundra or snow (the cities would still be low in pop just because the tiles aren't good food tiles, but the people will be content and you'll get a decent amount of golden ages).

dagriggstar · Apr 17, 2012

Grubnessul said:
Although this will sound condescending: how could you think Inuit or Afghanistan would be included? Neither have dominated (their part of) the world, build magnificent cities, achieved scientific breakthrough or had a huge impact on history like most other civs in the game. They did not build empires. I'm not sure how either could create interesting game play without the only recognizable being their names.

I'd sooner expect India to be broken up into Moghuls and Vijaynagara than either of these two being included.

The irony here is that Babur conquered the Delhi Sultanate and setup the Moghul dynasty in India from his power base in ... Afghanistan ...

Afghanistan has a pretty chaotic history, but at various times they have been a major regional power, ruling over Iran, Central Asia, Pakistan and parts of India at some points.

Beefie · Apr 17, 2012

Louis XXIV said:
Wouldn't that be unfair to the Celts. It would really hurt their uniqueness if another civ gets the same thing from a different terrain type.

I've suggested something before where they could cross snow tiles and there was no city unhappiness penalty for cities founded on tundra or snow (the cities would still be low in pop just because the tiles aren't good food tiles, but the people will be content and you'll get a decent amount of golden ages).

It wouldn't be unfair to the Celts as they begin with bonus faith from forests as it's their UA whereas the new tundra based Civ has to generate enough faith to pick the "dance of the aurora belief". The benefit they would have is there wouldn't be much competition, if any, for that belief.

I like your idea for a UA, it could have good synergy with a UI which works on tundra/ice tiles such as (forgive me if I'm being ignorant) an Igloo giving bonus food and production

Hakan-i Cihan · Apr 17, 2012

Grubnessul said:
Although this will sound condescending: how could you think Inuit or Afghanistan would be included? Neither have dominated (their part of) the world, build magnificent cities, achieved scientific breakthrough or had a huge impact on history like most other civs in the game. They did not build empires. I'm not sure how either could create interesting game play without the only recognizable being their names.

I'd sooner expect India to be broken up into Moghuls and Vijaynagara than either of these two being included.

Well you are probably not aware of the Ghaznavid empire then. The capital Ghazne happens to be inside afghani borders.

But I would rather have central asia filled up with the karakhanids:

GenjiKhan · Apr 17, 2012

tofofnts said:
Liex said:

So at least Maths wants Brazil in. Well, that is a start

Click to expand...

Actually, now it seems more like math wants hungary or poland

If somehow,you give bonus to civilizations which happens to have a Empire in a area with no Representation in Civ series,I'm sure Brazil and Majapahit would get more points . Thanks to the dlc of Polynesia,we know that this factor should have taken into account .

Stormy28 · Apr 17, 2012

fuzzatron717 said:
Just because that pantheon is there doesn't mean the inuit will be in. It could be for Russia, Denmark and/or any civ one time I played Songhai I ended up in a whole bunch of tundra's. Just saying. And I did not have the disable terrain base thing on either.

I wasn't talking about tundra based effect. I was just saying the name of the Belief is almost certainly a reference.

Radu_Magus · Apr 17, 2012

Very cool map, Hakan-i Cihan.

Grubnessul · Apr 18, 2012

Hakan-i Cihan said:
Well you are probably not aware of the Ghaznavid empire then. The capital Ghazne happens to be inside afghani borders.

But I would rather have central asia filled up with the karakhanids:

I was indeed not aware of that empire. My objection was not inasmuch against a civ based in Afghanistan, but an Afghani civ. Which sounds like a horrible idea. Glad someone picked up on the Moghul irony

Timurids would be a nice civ to have, although it would be hard to distinguish their gameplay from the Mongols and the Huns. Come to think of it, Timur would be a more interesting character than Atilla. At the very least because he build cities.

TIMMEH!

dagriggstar · Apr 18, 2012

Grubnessul said:
Timurids would be a nice civ to have, although it would be hard to distinguish their gameplay from the Mongols and the Huns. Come to think of it, Timur would be a more interesting character than Atilla. At the very least because he build cities.

TIMMEH!

Agree on Timur > Atilla. I don't think it'd be that hard to distinguish from the Mongols and the Huns, since the Timurids actually built up there cities. Always thought a UA where they can capture other cities great people progress (conquer city, all great people progress from the conquered city is transferred to the capital) or automatic golden age with a great general spawn or something like that. Obviously the UU would need to be horse base though, a caravanserai UB or UI would be unique though.

What is the difference between a civ "based in Afghanistan" vs an "Afghani civ" anyway ?

Grubnessul · Apr 18, 2012

That the civ is not called Aghanistan.

And I like great people progress capture upon conquest. Now all we can hope for the final civ to be the Timurids although I don't think I'd put money on it.

Civciv5 · Apr 18, 2012

Afghanistan would not be a bad idea for a civ.
Especially when it is in a sort of Afghani-Pakistani Empire.
Most of empires of Afghanistan owned Afghanistan and Pakistan(Ghaznavid,Ghurid,Durrani Empires)
None of them lasted long enough to be classified as a civilization.
They have an unbreakable cultural,historical and political bond.

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