Should Germany Have Won WW1?

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Not from any military point of view but from a the world would be better off point of view. If Germany had won there would have been no Hitler and possably no Communist USSR. It may have been bad for France depending on what sort of peace treaty they got but would it have been worse than 4 years of German occupation in 1940-44?

If Germany had won in 1914 before the trench warfare settled in alot of lives would have been saved. And probably no WW2 or at least no Holocaust anyways. Would German Imperialism have been any worse than French/English ambitions?

From my point of view my country wouldn't have lost thousands of men at Galipoli or in Africa in WW2 fighting primarily a European war. Maybe its a remainder of the "German=badguy" syndrome from school- thanks to the Nazis but the Germans of 1914-18 didn't seem to be any better or worse than any other European power.

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The Germans had no chance. But, then again, neither did anyone else.

The Germans couldn't win, because they could not fight a two-front war. They did not expect half-ready Russian armies to bear down on Prussia, expecting them to wait until they were fully equipped.

The Russians couldn't win because their armies were not equipped enough during peace time, and during war couldn't equipp fast enough.

The French couldn't win because they did not have enough manpower.

The English couldn't win because they were not willing to fight someone else's war.

The Ottomans couldn't win because they weren't in the main arena.

The Italians couldn't win because they were lacking strong forces.

The Austrians couldn't win because they were not industrialized enough.
 
Originally posted by Riesstiu IV
Wow, that's very insightful Sarevok.
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I think Germany would ahve taken much of africa, and the turks would rule the caucasus and Arabia. Austria would still be screwed though because of ethnic turmoil.
 
I think that Germany winning would mean no WWII as we know it. The Germans would not be so angry and resentful about the Treaty of Versailles, they would never have supported and extremist like Adolf Hitler, so it may have been better. However, without WWI, and WWII, war would probably not be hated as much and seen as a futile and wasteful thing to wage.
 
I think that Germany winning would mean no WWII as we know it. The Germans would not be so angry and resentful about the Treaty of Versailles, they would never have supported and extremist like Adolf Hitler, so it may have been better. However, without WWI, and WWII, war would probably not be hated as much and seen as a futile and wasteful thing to wage.
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Who's to say that WWII wouldn't have happened anyway? The Germans wouldn't have been so angry and resentful, but the French certainly would have. They lost the Alsace-Lorraine in the previous war and were itching for revenge in WWI. If they had been humiliated yet again, it's possible that during the depression an extremist could have taken control in France and turned it fascist similar to what happened in real life post-WWI German history.
 
But a defeated french would be no danger to germany.

An important question would be: Would the Monarchy still be overthrown?
 
Persuming the world would be better if Germany won any war it lost shows poor knowledge of what "German" actually means. Maybe there would have been no national socialism, but I'm quite sure that there would have been something about as ugly.
 
True, but we can speculate, and there is hardly anything worse than National Socialism, except maybe Stalinism. The main pont is this: WWII as we know it would not have happened.
 
Originally posted by Stefan Haertel
Persuming the world would be better if Germany won any war it lost shows poor knowledge of what "German" actually means. Maybe there would have been no national socialism, but I'm quite sure that there would have been something about as ugly.
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That is not too unlikely, given that Germany in the 1910s was a living anachronism. The system was far outdated, it wouldn't have survived for long. And depending on the point in the war where it would have been won it is quite likely that it was already gone (at least since 1916 the country was a factual military dictatorship). Such a system wouldn't have survived for long in peacetime, thus it would have searched for war.

And we shouldn't forget that a winning Germany would have been the dominant force in Europe and probably the world at large. France and England would have been finished, so to speak.

Given the (especially weapon) technological "advances" of the next decades (which would have happened eventually in any setting) that may well have let to an even darker future.

The only thing that could have changed that would have been a Democratic/Socialist Revolution in Germany, but that is very unlikely to have happened if the war would have been won.
 
I concur entirely with Hitro on this one; I've said almost the same thing about Russia and the Bolsheviks - even if Lenin hadn't succeeded in November 1917, some other extremist group probably would have eventually.
 
True, but we can speculate, and there is hardly anything worse than National Socialism, except maybe Stalinism..
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Don't feel so sure when you say something like that.
National socialism is the worst imaginable thing that actually happened. At the time it took place, the fewest could have dreamed of that. And a few hundred years ago, nobody would have thought of the possibility of gassing people, much less in such an industrialized way.
If history has told us one thing, then it is the fact that there is always going to be someone who can make it worse. Sadly, it doesn't seem to have taught us to prevent them from coming up.
 
It may have not been better because at the end of the war many nations, like Poland, and Czechoslovakia, would have never been created, these people would still have no identity! If it werent for the Treaty of Versailes these people would be nameless still, and would have to be called German, or the such, its just like, what the Western European powers did to Africa!

I dont know...it may have been better, or it would have not, I am uncertain
 
Kyoto, what are you saying? You may want to check out this link here for some background; we didn't suddenly come into existance in 1918... Some of the Eastern European states have longer histories than most of the Western European states...
 
Originally posted by tossi
But a defeated french would be no danger to germany.
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Just like a defeated Germany was no threat to France 20 years after WW1.
I think there would have been a WW2 because Germany would have clashed with England/USA. The defeated powers would have been itching for revenge. Don't think either communism or Facism would have risen in Germany though..
 
Originally posted by Sarevok
indeed. So who would have won the alternate WW2?
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I think Germany would have. Instead of having 6 years to re-arm they would have had all the post war years. I don't think they would have become complacent.
Britain and France would be paying reparations so they would be economically disadvantaged.
 
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