plako says:
hi
oyzar says:
that took some time
oyzar says:
anyways hi
plako says:
yes. This is normally my only time to be able to be in MSN
oyzar says:
as i understand it you are the one running things in saturn atm?
plako says:
yes. intrest level has dropped quite low in our team
plako says:
oer people are busy
plako says:
*or
oyzar says:
that sucks
oyzar says:
interest seems to have dropped some for our team too unfortunatly
plako says:
You wanted to talk about sharing maps
oyzar says:
yes indeed
oyzar says:
we have the knowledge of paper now
plako says:
What would you think if we negotiate our borderline also?
oyzar says:
that is an option of course...
oyzar says:
depends on what ideas you guys have for borderline and such of course
oyzar says:
but that is why they call them negotiations
plako says:
yep. You probably know where we are?
oyzar says:
huh?
oyzar says:
we had a boat sailing past you, you know
plako says:
Of course I mean where our land come together. There is narrow mountain passage NE from your capital full of Jungle.
plako says:
Middle of that would seem natural border to me
oyzar says:
you have settled all land north of that passage?
plako says:
There is lot of crabby unsettled land
oyzar says:
crappy riverside grassland?
oyzar says:
anyways we would be much better able to discuss this if we shared maps
plako says:
So you haven't been in this direction yet?
oyzar says:
we've explored some around there
oyzar says:
though i am not sure if we are talking about exactly the same positions, if it is further north than what i am thinking we might not have
plako says:
a moment. I'll check couple of screenshots
oyzar says:
you could give a screenshort of just the area you are talking about if you want, that might make it easier to discuss things
plako says:
The area I'm talking about is NE from Serpente.
oyzar says:
yes NE of serpente there is a corridor leading north
plako says:
What would you think, if we agree you don't settle over the equator 5 tiles north from Serpente in this passage we could agree not to settle over the equator from our side likewise.
oyzar says:
so you basically get all the north to yourself?
plako says:
and you get all the south
oyzar says:
we have settled most of the land directly south of where you describe already while you have settled very little of the north
plako says:
We haven't been as busy as you, but we are not that far from there
oyzar says:
But from what you are saying you want to basically take all the empty spots(in that area) and give us nothing we don't have already? Is that correct?
oyzar says:
I just don't want to missunderstand you...
plako says:
I don't see it like that. It is area that geographically belongs to us
plako says:
mountains and jungle are natural border
oyzar says:
so because sulla put mountains and jungle there the land north of it belongs to you, even if you don't have any cities there? And you would see it as provokation if we settled cities in what you deem "your" land?
plako says:
This is why we need agreement
plako says:
There is not many spots available fo you to take 2 at most
plako says:
and only 1 free resouse
plako says:
*resource
oyzar says:
north of the passage you mean?
plako says:
yes
oyzar says:
from what I see of the map, there isn't really any way we can agree to that, though if we share maps we might be better able to determine where a natural border lies. We didn't see any workboat from you guys yet, so i am sure you haven't uncovered the entire coastline for example...
plako says:
interruption. 3-5 minutes
plako says:
So you're going to settle over the passage?
oyzar says:
we haven't settled anything there yet
plako says:
I'll discuss with the team and come back to this tomorrow. I'll probably be here about the same time. If I can I'll show you screenshot. Would map trade be just trading maps or are there some other conditions?
oyzar says:
there are space for at least 6 cities just in the corridor northwest of that NE corridor alone
oyzar says:
I was hoping to trade maps right now
oyzar says:
ofc, if you see that as part of that corridor things would be different...
oyzar says:
and what conditions would those be?
plako says:
I meant, if you think the value of your maps is higher than ours you would like to get something else alongside
oyzar says:
hard to know the value without knowing exactly what you have explored?
oyzar says:
have you explored sancta's lands / the lands west and south of you?
plako says:
I'll ask from the team how much I can reveal
oyzar says:
what do you think is far for the map trade then?
plako says:
far?
oyzar says:
fair*
plako says:
Just trading maps should be ok.
oyzar says:
so would you be fine with doing that now?
plako says:
I'll ask from the team and hopefully have answer to you tomorrow.
oyzar says:
I belive I asked Lord 8 days ago about trading maps, surely you have discussed this somewhat on your board...
oyzar says:
it takes you 8 days to tell me that you have to ask the team about it?
plako says:
Lord Parkin?
oyzar says:
yes
plako says:
He hasn't been active for a long time in our forums
oyzar says:
hmm, he said he would relay the message
oyzar says:
but whatever...
plako says:
I'll check, if I've missed this
oyzar says:
hmm, it was the same time(8 days ago) i talked to joshua
oyzar says:
and the same time i sent you the pm
plako says:
Neither of them have forwarded anything to our boards
plako says:
And you just asked, if we should discuss about trading maps
plako says:
and here I am now
plako says:
I've been here at the same time several days, but you've been offline
oyzar says:
well when i asked about trading maps, it doesn't help much if you don't know what your team wants . I take it you don't have the "power" to confirm any deals outright then?
plako says:
Team would like to agree upn our border also
plako says:
but if that is ot possible it might be that we can trade mpas
plako says:
*maps
oyzar says:
yeah, and as i said we wouldn't be able to agree on borders before we know the situation better, it would speed up things if we traded maps
plako says:
but I had to verify
oyzar says:
one option is that you don't settle west or south, of the river that runs by the bananas and horses
plako says:
We're settling next turn on that area
oyzar says:
where? to grab corn + bananas + horses?
plako says:
~
oyzar says:
~ meaning?
plako says:
I probably shouldn't be telling this detailed info, but no bananas
oyzar says:
I won't blame you
oyzar says:
and if we trade maps it won't matter anyways...
plako says:
true
plako says:
I'm naturally forwarding this convo to our boards as is
oyzar says:
so no map trades for now?
plako says:
Can you wait 24h
plako says:
Are you here tomorrow
oyzar says:
about this time? probably, might go out for a movie around this time though... not sure yet
plako says:
Alright. It probably isn't biug deal to wait another 1-2 days
plako says:
*big
oyzar says:
well information is worth more the earlier you get it
plako says:
If map trade seems feasible I can suggest it also ingame
plako says:
so no need for discussion
oyzar says:
map trade is probably ok yeah, i would prefer to talk on msn of course, but by all means when you come to an agreement offer the deal ingame and if we are in agreement we can just accept
plako says:
So you need to verify from th team also?
plako says:
It wasn't clear to you either?
oyzar says:
going from what you said, it seems like you aren't claiming the banana, as you know there aren't many resources in that corridor down south, so how would it sound to you if we settled a city to claim that banana?
oyzar says:
oh i know what I can accept and not, you are the one holding things up
oyzar says:
but that doesn't mean we won't discuss it
plako says:
So 2S or S-SE from the bananas?
oyzar says:
if you aren't claiming that banana, where is the city going? N of the corn for extra hills and trees?
oyzar says:
that would be an alternative, S of the banana would conflict with your city, yes?
plako says:
yes
oyzar says:
where is it? N or NE of the corn?
plako says:
NE from corn
oyzar says:
so SSE of the banana wouldn't conflict with you guys at all then
oyzar says:
SS would conflict one tile while SE would conflict 2 tiles
plako says:
And you wouldn found any cities north from that spot?
plako says:
in this area
oyzar says:
well you have founded some north of there yes? And I can't agree to that before I have seen the entire map of the area obviously, but that might be a possiblity
plako says:
Well there really isn't more than 1 city spot between banana city and our next city worth settling
plako says:
*sorry meant to say our existing city
plako says:
not next city
oyzar says:
well as i said we can't agree to that before we've seen exactly where that city is and what the land is like, but it is certainly a possiblity
oyzar says:
we certainly covered some ground today, I am glad we had this discussion
plako says:
I hope I'm not flamed of revelaing too much
oyzar says:
one can always pray
plako says:
So you're asking from yur team abiout map trade and border agreement?
plako says:
And we can seal the deal tomorrow, if it is ok to us?
oyzar says:
we will be discussing it yes, but as i said, a map trade would speed up the border agreement discussion
oyzar says:
so i am guessing we are looking at map trade tomorrow and border agreement the day after that or something, but things doesn't move too fast in this game of ours, so should be plenty of time
plako says:
I would prefer to get both deals at the same time. Would it help your desicion making, if I send you screenshot of the ares
plako says:
*area
oyzar says:
definatly yes...
oyzar says:
you understand why we can't just agree to a treaty of borders without knowing the lay of the land eh?
plako says:
I've prepared picture for you. It is old, but shows the relevant areas and also our border. I'll ask from the team,if I can send it to you and if I can you'll get it tomorrow.
oyzar says:
you can send it to my email or the team email, if you get the go ahead to send it before time
plako says:
alright cya. bye