Quick Poll (740AD) - Approval of a Revised Plan A

The Gold Bluff casino in Huntington graciously hosted delegates from various political groups last night in hopes of reaching some accord on the recent divisive issue facing our nation.

Representatives included myself, Fionn, Cyc and Eyrei. The fruits of our discussion may prove to be the framework for a productive term of growth and military expansion for Fanatika. This plan is proposed to the citizenry with the full support of all participants involved.

Please review the plan and cast your vote in the poll. As this plan will assuredly affect the future of Fanatika herself, all citizens are encouraged to participate in this poll.

The Plan - Plan A, revised
Bremershaven - military units
Kyoto - military units
Naerva - military units
The Burrows - military units
Kells - Aqueduct, then military
Valhalla - Marketplace (rushed*), then military
Bavaria - military
Kuhkaff - University (rushed in 2*), then military
Nara - military
Tlaxcala - military
Octavinium - military
New Falcon's Nest - Courthouse (rushed in 2*), then military
Morgana - military

Note: military production was not specified in our chat other than at least five cities should be producing knights. If this passes, perhaps the military dept could provide details on which units to produce (ie. muskets vs knights) and in which cities.

* - all rush requests are conditional upon maintaining a minimum balance of 400g in the treasury.

References:
Chat Log from the discussion late last night

Info Poll: Plan A Implementation

Discussion: What preparations for war...

Discussion: Fanatikan Demographics

Discussion: How about peace...

Discussion: A quick war...

Info Poll: What % of production to military

Point of information to set everyone's mind at ease... Polls affecting build queues are specifically called out as an example what can be used for quick polls

This poll will remain open for a minimum of 24 hrs and until a quorum (10) has been met. Once again, though, I encourage all citizens to participate as the path our nation takes will likely be decided by this poll.

I am against this! NAH to PLAN A!

This plan is crappier than the first. Your going to use gold from are treasury to rush improvements then build a bunch of military units that count against are GPT. We need that gold to stay inside of the Science Race! You forget that the AI can not think like us. So what that we have less military units than them! We have brains! We can divise plans! But all those plans will go to waste wif the AI has a better units!

My revised plan would be...

Bremershaven - Put in a marketplace (7 turns) - even if we do build 1 or 2 knights ahead of time. It will increase income for more units.

Kyoto - Finish market, then military units.

Naerva - I'd like to see one temple (7 turns) then switch to military

The Burrows - Acquaduct (7), that way, it gets into a city status, and can support more units.

Kuhkuff - I'd REALLY like to see a worker in there... We need them.

Nara - I'd like this to be a worker factory (with a ganary) after it becomes 100% Fanatikan. It's 67% Japanese right now.

Tlaxcala - It needs growth (It's at size 3!). More irragation (and an acquaduct) is needed before it can become a military city.

Octavinium - Complete the market, then we'll talk about military in this city.

NFN - I'd like to see an acquaduct here, too. It can't grow much, but it would atleast give us 2 more units "free".

Morgana - Complete the university, and aquaduct (hopefully, that extra lux means we don't need the market yet...). Then military.

I like CT's idea's. Thats the kind of infrastructure we need!

Interesting thoughts, Chieftess, but I must respectfully, disagree. Coincidentally, we discussed some of these items thoroughly last night....

Bremershaven - building a market later on would likely be fine as long as we can build some military now.

Kyoto - building the market here would only delay production of military units in a region that is currently still hanging in the balance. This area needs some defensive units so that our veteran and elite knights can leave the cities they're garrisoned in and prepare for whatever action they are called on to perform.

Naerva - there is no need for a Temple in this town, not for culture or for happiness. Check the chat log for details.

The Burrows - IIRC, building an aqueduct in this town would complicate the production in the immediate future. It would immediately need to construct something to help keep the peace as it grows, thereby removing this productive city from the list of military production centers.

Kuhkaff - I think we all can agree that there are better locations from which we could produce workers.

Nara - this city was included for the same reason as Kyoto. This region is severely understaffed with defensive units.

Tlaxcala - Irrigation is on the way. In the meantime, it can serve as an excellent base for producing units.

Octavinium - conceding the market (that was just recently started) was done to compromise and bring this in line with the original plan to produce X number of units in Y turns. Of course, this whole plan has been delayed slightly, but with the other concessions given to the domestic department earlier in the chat, it is imperative that we have some cities starting production of military immediately.

NFN - I'd like to see an aqueduct too, but the military needs cannot be ignored either.

Morgana - with the growth rate of this town, there is no need to build an aqueduct in here for several turns.

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Let's not muddle the picture either. The whole plan involves 13 cities. That's just over 25% of our total cities. This revised plan will gradually convert 25% of our cities to military production, leaving 75% to peace-time production. Quite frankly, insisting on dedicating fewer cities to military production could be considered risky, if not outright dangerous.

I find it difficult to see this as anything but a rational and equitable approach to building up our nation militarily, culturally, and economically.

I would have to agree with Chieftess's Idea . We need to improve our internal Infrastructure and bring in gold for Science .

The Great Fionn is again neglecting his duties. That's normal though. Or maybe he was just lying this morning when he said he would back this plan and try to get the Governors to post build queues that would reflect the deal he made with the President of Fanatika. Typical.

Or maybe he's too overworked...he only has 3 people helping him with the build queues he was elected to handle. He let the Nation down in yesterday's t/c, and it looks like he's going to be doing the same thing for the next t/c. Fionn, your word means nothing to me now.

@FortyJ:
I planed the construction of the Marketplace before I knew about Plan A. It is not constructed to compromise any plan that might come up but simply to give us more gold and more happy people in the city (This will also mean it can be allowed to grow and thus give us more gold and production). As soon as the Marketplace is complete (4 or 5 turns I think) I will gladly build military units in this city, regardless of Plan A is approved or not.

i cant help if it the citizens elected to not go with the revivsed version of the plan either. We all have free will. We can accept it or denounce it. I even forewarned such a thing could happen. The original poll for plan a was informational. Should i implement a plan that was informational from the get go no. One such poll i will not be implementing that was informational is the province renaming of north and southwest provinces.

Also it is of my opinion that maybe some of the hardcore Plan A'rs could have voted this version down because they too refuse to compromise to a solution that makes people happy. I conceded cities so i could satisfy the bloodlust of the war types and you conceded cities so we could build some more improvements.

Again i repeat it is not my fault that plan a revised or plan a period hasnt been or wont be implemented.

I wholeheartedly support Chieftess' plan. I cannot in good faith support this one.

@40J - First thing i want to say is you did a fine job as President trying to get the Nation back on track through a negotiation process. That's a good thing.
I just got done reading the chat log and it seems you misinterpreted Plan A on a couple of well defined points all the way through the t/c until donsig (through great effort) pointed that out. I thought plan A was explained fairly well.
During this mornings negotiation, everytime I refered to Military production, I was refering to the production listed in Plan A. It's all pretty well spelled out in the plan. Cities like Valhalla were specifically called out to produce a Barracks after rushing the Market. Nara should be switched to Barracks. I need to check on Morgana, but I thought that was to get a University and then go Knights, as it is not really a growth city.

@Goonie - This is not Plan A. This is a revised edition allowing for more growth and Cultural building

@Strider - if the AI thought like the people opposed to this plan, we would win easily.

@CT - I can see why you run for Trade and not for Domestic. Your revised plan does not benefit youe cause more or less than 40J's revised plan. It just adds confusion to the issue and makes you look like an opponent of Plan A.

@CG - We have "internal infrastructure in our larger cities. What we need to do is quit building Military units in our smaller cities like the Governors have now, and bring these little cities up to size 6 or greater. Complaining about the Plan A is not going to help the Nation bring those cities up to a decent size.

It's about time you posted something in this poll Fioon. It's a little too late, don't you think.

I think i am going to ban the next person to shoot down an idea without giving any reason for doing so. I am joking, though this is extremely irritating. Chieftess has at least offered another plan, and though I disgagree with it, at least she put forth some effort. Seriously, if all you can say is that something sucks, and are not willing to put forth the effort to offer an alternative, just don't post.

Also, Cyc and Fionn. Cool it.

Right now, there are only three govenores CYC. I know that my whole province is small and I dont have one military unit in queue.

I like CT's plan. It definitely gives us the infrastructure and support that our cities need while keeping our military strong as ever.

Originally posted by Cyc
@CG - We have "internal infrastructure in our larger cities. What we need to do is quit building Military units in our smaller cities like the Governors have now, and bring these little cities up to size 6 or greater. Complaining about the Plan A is not going to help the Nation bring those cities up to a decent size.

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I would like to see significant improvements to help with the science . I also do not want to see a build up of military units that would severly hurt us in our gpt.
I know that there is an "imternal Infrastucture" in our larger cities, but what about the smaller cities?

Originally posted by eyrei
I think i am going to ban the next person to shoot down an idea without giving any reason for doing so. I am joking, though this is extremely irritating. Chieftess has at least offered another plan, and though I disgagree with it, at least she put forth some effort. Seriously, if all you can say is that something sucks, and are not willing to put forth the effort to offer an alternative, just don't post.

Also, Cyc and Fionn. Cool it.

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Some of us might not have the time to make a plan like this one. That or some are not gifted enugh in that area.

Originally posted by Cyc
The Great Fionn is again neglecting his duties. That's normal though. Or maybe he was just lying this morning when he said he would back this plan and try to get the Governors to post build queues that would reflect the deal he made with the President of Fanatika. Typical.

Or maybe he's too overworked...he only has 3 people helping him with the build queues he was elected to handle. He let the Nation down in yesterday's t/c, and it looks like he's going to be doing the same thing for the next t/c. Fionn, your word means nothing to me now.

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We run freelance.... It's not Fionn's problem that the people who did not like Plan A also do not like the revised Plan A. There is very little compromise you can do to convience us to even start to like this plan. I would much rather see more marketplaces and temple's in are cities than military units. If it wasn't for my network crashing last night I would try to make a Plan with more marketplace's etc.

Also I see no reason why you have to post a poll to force the govonors to follow it. Post your idea in the province thread... Convience them. Let them choose to use it or not. This is not away to get support for your idea.

I really hope the domestic department has something in mind to coordinate these build queues.