Term 3. Welcome to the Foreign Ministry.
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1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
How about for now we just tell GCA that we are discussing their request? We can get back to them before their turn and it won’t even matter except that we can tell them that we were conscious of the time limit and so worked rapidly to respond before their turn and not cost them any unnecessary delay.
I think that is a compromise between robboo and my positions.
I think that is a compromise between robboo and my positions.
robboo
Deity
Why dont we just let them in....Dont we have a warrior/scout in their territory. Whats fair for us is fair for them..dont you agree to that.
(or did I get my teams mixed up)
(or did I get my teams mixed up)
1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
Fair would have been a plain in-game open border agreement. But instead they pulled out the lawyers and instead of quickly agreed to allow our warrior into their territory it took them two weeks IIRC. We got the treaty just before our turn so we didn't have as long to review it if we wanted to avoid any more delay, and we got permision just after our turn. Fairness would require that we be as nitpicky as them and use the treaty to our advantage if at all posable. We can try to force some more equitable open border deal and spare our navy any delay or we can try to make some point.
robboo
Deity
I DISAGREE..
if we have a warrior in their territory then we have to let their scout in. Other wise just cancel the OB in game and be done with it. Whats the point in not letting them in...only to nitpick back? What do we gain? We need not look at whats fair but what benefits us. Its a not beneficial to stop them since we can scout there area.
As far as the galley exploration....ask them now if its OK. Then we can go from there. If they say fine...then there isnt a issue. If they say NO then we can figure out how to proceed. BUT we have no "legal" argument since we have a true military unit in their territory.
if we have a warrior in their territory then we have to let their scout in. Other wise just cancel the OB in game and be done with it. Whats the point in not letting them in...only to nitpick back? What do we gain? We need not look at whats fair but what benefits us. Its a not beneficial to stop them since we can scout there area.
As far as the galley exploration....ask them now if its OK. Then we can go from there. If they say fine...then there isnt a issue. If they say NO then we can figure out how to proceed. BUT we have no "legal" argument since we have a true military unit in their territory.
1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
This is the only law in the game, unfortunately there is no legal recourse to enforce it. It states that military units (which according to the civilopedia includes scouts) must have explicit permission. Period, no mention anywhere of permision being bilateral or requiring reciprocity. We should point out these omissions and just ask them to scratch the treaty and chart a course paved with real trust rather than legal loopholes.
robboo
Deity
Right they asked to move in...so whats the problem.
AGAIN what advantage do we get by telling them no. Its not like we have major secrets hiding in our borders. All we do is tick them off adn mayeb make them distrust us. Diplo is a two way street
AGAIN what advantage do we get by telling them no. Its not like we have major secrets hiding in our borders. All we do is tick them off adn mayeb make them distrust us. Diplo is a two way street
1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
Dear GCA,
We are considering your request to enter our territory, but guest units can not make sneak attacks like in civ 3 so why go through all this bother each time? If you agree that it would be much simpler to just allow free access then please accept our welcome and you need not wait on our formal permission.
In friendship,
CFC
Brilliant huh? Anyway that is the last I have to say on this matter, but whatever you decide do it in an email message. We need to make communication a habit to help prevent the dangers that spawn during long periods of silence.
P.S. I've PMed Classical Hero to see if he has time to come back as Foreign Minister or at least nominate a temp.
We are considering your request to enter our territory, but guest units can not make sneak attacks like in civ 3 so why go through all this bother each time? If you agree that it would be much simpler to just allow free access then please accept our welcome and you need not wait on our formal permission.
In friendship,
CFC
Brilliant huh? Anyway that is the last I have to say on this matter, but whatever you decide do it in an email message. We need to make communication a habit to help prevent the dangers that spawn during long periods of silence.
P.S. I've PMed Classical Hero to see if he has time to come back as Foreign Minister or at least nominate a temp.
robboo
Deity
I agree with the idea...and like the edited wording. 
1889 that was brillant
1889 that was brillant
1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
Nice work BCLG. I guess you're good for something after all.
azzaman333
meh
There is no way I can attend.
classical_hero
In whom I trust
Yes I will be able to attend this since the last attempt was when I was get my new computer. I suggested Tuesday/Wednesday my time, because I have that day off.
BTW, I was allow discussion to happen about how we are to respond to GCA treaty. I was in the camp that 1889 was, whereas there were those who disagreed with that view, so I wanted to get a full discussion. Also all this happened when I was either asleep or when I was at work, so it is only now that I can see the discussion. I will send the message to them, it is called Open Border Treaty.
Now I need to get some discussion with GWT.
classical_hero
In whom I trust
I will try and add all the relevent info about the various chatnames of the people of the other Teams for diplo purposes so that we have an easy source. Well I am having some time trying to find all of the relevant info, but I should have all those from BAT.
1889
Mayor of H-Marker Lake
Just a quick note from the disagreeable folks in the legal department; GCA posted turn played at 8:42 AM Feb 4 and sent us a message about their scout on the same day. Just for the record that is not prior notification and therefore is a treaty violation.
