Wonder Elimination Thread

Alhambra 20
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 25
Colossus 15
Cristo Redentor 17
Eiffel Tower 24
Forbidden Palace 18
Great Library 22
Great Lighthouse 20
Great Mosque of Djenne 13
Great Wall 7
Hagia Sophia 23
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 22
Hubble 26
Kremlin 0
Leaning Tower of Pisa 21
Louvre 22 (+1)
Machu Picchu 21
Neuschwanstein Castle 23
Notre Dame 25
Oracle 26
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 22
Pyramids 22
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 22
Stonehenge 23
Sydney Opera House 18
Taj Mahal 22

Death to the Kremlin, a wonder I have never built and will never build. More love for Stonehenge, which is borderline essential for non-religious civs if you want a religion at higher levels.
 
hobbsyoyo said:
Alhambra 20
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 25
CN Tower 0
Colossus 15
Cristo Redentor 17
Eiffel Tower 24
Forbidden Palace 20
Great Library 24
Great Lighthouse 20
Great Mosque of Djenne 13
Great Wall 7
Hagia Sophia 23
Himeji Castle 20
Hanging Gardens 22
Hubble 26
Kremlin 5
Leaning Tower of Pisa 21
Louvre 21
Machu Picchu 21
Neuschwanstein Castle 23
Notre Dame 25
Oracle 27
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 22
Pyramids 20
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 22
Stonehenge 21
Sydney Opera House 18
Taj Mahal 22

Same votes as before, for the same reasons.

I really like how informative this thread has become. It's fun to vote but also fun just to read the discourse on each wonder and their uses/advantages/disadvantages and such.
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I notice my vote's been missed again. :-( Poor Djenne still on 13.

More love for Stonehenge, which is borderline essential for non-religious civs if you want a religion at higher levels.
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Depending on map size, of course. It's very feasible to get a religion on Immortal without Stonehenge on all but the largest maps (and not very feasible to get Stonehenge itself) - although a late one.
 
Alhambra 20
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 25
Colossus 15
Cristo Redentor 17
Eiffel Tower 24
Forbidden Palace 18
Great Library 22
Great Lighthouse 21
Great Mosque of Djenne 13
Great Wall 7
Hagia Sophia 23
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 22
Hubble 26
Leaning Tower of Pisa 21
Louvre 22
Machu Picchu 21
Neuschwanstein Castle 23
Notre Dame 25
Oracle 26
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 22
Pyramids 20
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 22
Stonehenge 23
Sydney Opera House 18
Taj Mahal 22

I really like the Great Lighthouse as I mostly play water maps.

My downvote goes to the Pyramids, as I hardly build it (I prefer to buld the Great Library by that time, so I need some spare time to build other important buildings and composites). Two workers are nice, but I don't like it too much. It's not like Hagia Sophia or something like that.
 
Alhambra 20
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 25
Colossus 15
Cristo Redentor 15
Eiffel Tower 24
Forbidden Palace 18
Great Library 22
Great Lighthouse 20
Great Mosque of Djenne 14
Great Wall 7
Hagia Sophia 23
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 22
Hubble 26
Kremlin 0
Leaning Tower of Pisa 21
Louvre 22 (+1)
Machu Picchu 21
Neuschwanstein Castle 23
Notre Dame 25
Oracle 26
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 22
Pyramids 22
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 22
Stonehenge 23
Sydney Opera House 18
Taj Mahal 22

PhilBowles vote was in a quote and not copied, so I am correcting the list.

PLEASE COPY THE LIST DO NOT QUOTE THE LIST. QUOTES ARE NOT EASILY RECOGNISED AS VOTES! THANK YOU!!!!
 
I beelined for Iron Working after I found a spot with 6 resources and still failed to get Colossus in my 6 resource tile secondary city (around 20 turns to make it). Was extremely pissed that China beat me of all people, like the only civ beside the ocean. Ansdabnjabajbfajbfa. It was barely turn 70 at that point. Probably not ever going to beeline and rush for Colossus again unless I get another 6 resource tile city (had that fricking +1 production boat tile too, ugh).
 
Alhambra 20
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 25
Colossus 15
Cristo Redentor 15
Eiffel Tower 24
Forbidden Palace 16
Great Library 22
Great Lighthouse 20
Great Mosque of Djenne 14
Great Wall 7
Hagia Sophia 23
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 22
Hubble 26
Kremlin 0
Leaning Tower of Pisa 22
Louvre 22 (+1)
Machu Picchu 21
Neuschwanstein Castle 23
Notre Dame 25
Oracle 26
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 22
Pyramids 22
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 22
Stonehenge 23
Sydney Opera House 18
Taj Mahal 22


By the time I look at a production list and think I may actually want the Forbidden Palace, someone has almost built it. By that point in the game happiness just isn't THAT big of a problem with my play style.

With the Leaning Tower of Pisa though, I usually grab a GE and rush another wonder, essentially giving me 2 free ones, about the time I have some juicy wonder options.
 
New day, new vote


Alhambra 20
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 25
Colossus 15
Cristo Redentor 15
Eiffel Tower 24
Forbidden Palace 16
Great Library 22
Great Lighthouse 18
Great Mosque of Djenne 14
Great Wall 7
Hagia Sophia 23
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 22
Hubble 26
Leaning Tower of Pisa 22
Louvre 22
Machu Picchu 22
Neuschwanstein Castle 23
Notre Dame 25
Oracle 26
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 22
Pyramids 22
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 22
Stonehenge 23
Sydney Opera House 18
Taj Mahal 22


Macchu : Great wonder for boosting your trade routes, can really increase your income. It even gives some faith now, too

Great Lighthouse : I would often love to have it, but on King or higher when the AI gets Pottery for free, one of the AI is almost guaranteed to rush it, so its nearly unacquirable.
 
Alhambra 20
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 25
Colossus 15
Cristo Redentor 15
Eiffel Tower 24
Forbidden Palace 14
Great Library 22
Great Lighthouse 18
Great Mosque of Djenne 14
Great Wall 7
Hagia Sophia 23
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 22
Hubble 26
Leaning Tower of Pisa 22
Louvre 22
Machu Picchu 22
Neuschwanstein Castle 23
Notre Dame 25
Oracle 27
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 22
Pyramids 22
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 22
Stonehenge 23
Sydney Opera House 18
Taj Mahal 22

Oracle is easy to get. The AI hardly prioritize it and free policy/+3 cpt are very helpful.

I rarely build FP. This wonder is a bit weak until you get a very large empire. By that time the AI will have built it.
 
Petiscator said:
My downvote goes to the Pyramids, as I hardly build it (I prefer to buld the Great Library by that time, so I need some spare time to build other important buildings and composites). Two workers are nice, but I don't like it too much. It's not like Hagia Sophia or something like that.
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The 25% bonus to worker speed is very useful - the Pyramids is something you only usually want in a tall empire when you aren't taking the Liberty policy that does basically the same thing, but I'd definitely say it's stronger than Hagia Sophia.

I rarely build FP. This wonder is a bit weak until you get a very large empire. By that time the AI will have built it.
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Forbidden Palace is a Wonder I always look at and think I should be building (20% change in happiness when you have a global pop close to 100 is better than Notre Dame), but somehow never get round to to find out if it's as good as it looks.
 
Alhambra 20
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 25
Colossus 15
Cristo Redentor 15
Eiffel Tower 24
Forbidden Palace 14
Great Library 23
Great Lighthouse 18
Great Mosque of Djenne 14
Great Wall 5
Hagia Sophia 23
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 22
Hubble 26
Leaning Tower of Pisa 22
Louvre 22
Machu Picchu 22
Neuschwanstein Castle 23
Notre Dame 25
Oracle 27
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 22
Pyramids 22
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 22
Stonehenge 23
Sydney Opera House 18
Taj Mahal 22

In my recent games the Library has once again proved it is a great wonder, with a nice science boost and a free tech along with it.

The Great Wall is a poor bonus, really. Enemy units take a bit longer to move, so what. They shouldn't be in your land anyway! :lol:
 
Alhambra 20
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 25
Colossus 13 (-2)
Cristo Redentor 15
Eiffel Tower 24
Forbidden Palace 14
Great Library 23
Great Lighthouse 18
Great Mosque of Djenne 14
Great Wall 5
Hagia Sophia 23
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 22
Hubble 26
Leaning Tower of Pisa 22
Louvre 22
Machu Picchu 22
Neuschwanstein Castle 23
Notre Dame 25
Oracle 27
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 22
Pyramids 23 (+1)
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 22
Stonehenge 23
Sydney Opera House 18
Taj Mahal 22

I like Pyraminds quite a lot. if you think the hammer cost is pretty good for what you get, by the time you build 2 workers and put them to work its quite close to if you build pyramids, you start little later to update yuor tiles, but the faster speed helps you catch up and evetually go past.

I dont think i have ever got a good start which would make Colossus viable.
 
Alhambra 20
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 25
Colossus 11
Cristo Redentor 15
Eiffel Tower 24
Forbidden Palace 14
Great Library 23
Great Lighthouse 18
Great Mosque of Djenne 14
Great Wall 5
Hagia Sophia 23
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 22
Hubble 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa 22
Louvre 22
Machu Picchu 22
Neuschwanstein Castle 23
Notre Dame 25
Oracle 27
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 22
Pyramids 23
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 22
Stonehenge 23
Sydney Opera House 18
Taj Mahal 22

Hubble one of most important game wonders
Collossus is almost useless one
 
Alhambra 20
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 25
Colossus 9 (-2)
Cristo Redentor 15
Eiffel Tower 24
Forbidden Palace 14
Great Library 23
Great Lighthouse 18
Great Mosque of Djenne 14
Great Wall 5
Hagia Sophia 23
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 22
Hubble 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa 22
Louvre 22
Machu Picchu 22
Neuschwanstein Castle 23
Notre Dame 25
Oracle 27
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 22
Pyramids 24 (+1)
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 22
Stonehenge 23
Sydney Opera House 18
Taj Mahal 22

Love Love Love the free workers.
 
damnyankees said:
Alhambra 20
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 25
Colossus 10 (-1)
Cristo Redentor 15
Eiffel Tower 24
Forbidden Palace 14
Great Library 23
Great Lighthouse 18
Great Mosque of Djenne 14
Great Wall 5
Hagia Sophia 23
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 22
Hubble 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa 22
Louvre 22
Machu Picchu 22
Neuschwanstein Castle 23
Notre Dame 25
Oracle 27
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 22
Pyramids 25 (+2)
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 22
Stonehenge 23
Sydney Opera House 18
Taj Mahal 22

Love Love Love the free workers.
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you cant +2
you can -2 +1
:)
 
Alhambra 20
Big Ben 23
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 25
Colossus 10
Cristo Redentor 15
Eiffel Tower 24
Forbidden Palace 14
Great Library 21
Great Lighthouse 18
Great Mosque of Djenne 14
Great Wall 5
Hagia Sophia 23
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 22
Hubble 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa 22
Louvre 23
Machu Picchu 22
Neuschwanstein Castle 23
Notre Dame 25
Oracle 27
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 22
Pyramids 25
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 22
Stonehenge 23
Sydney Opera House 18
Taj Mahal 22

Great Library is overrated. Not only is it very risky to try and build on Immortal/Deity, your science is likely better off in the long run focusing on growth in that time.

The Louvre comes at about the point where if going for cultural VC you can start a permanent Golden Age phase.
 
salty mud said:
The Great Wall is a poor bonus, really. Enemy units take a bit longer to move, so what. They shouldn't be in your land anyway! :lol:
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I guess this comment goes to support the idea that most people don't like negative positives, so to speak....

While I agree, basically, with the comment, the Great Wall can be one of those things that you wish you had thought about grabbing before the AI who turns out to be your main rival got it....;)

Having said this, in my current game I couldn't get to it...usually it's always a lower priority....but this time it doesn't matter. When I eventually found the AI who did get it he isn't really very important....but other times it's turned out differently.

I think the Great Wall deserves a lot more love and respect than it's getting in this thread ...:lol:
 
Alhambra 20
Big Ben 24 (+1)
Brandenburg Gate 20
Chichen Itza 25
Colossus 10
Cristo Redentor 15
Eiffel Tower 24
Forbidden Palace 14
Great Library 21
Great Lighthouse 18
Great Mosque of Djenne 14
Great Wall 5
Hagia Sophia 23
Himeji Castle 21
Hanging Gardens 22
Hubble 27
Leaning Tower of Pisa 22
Louvre 23
Machu Picchu 22
Neuschwanstein Castle 23
Notre Dame 25
Oracle 27
Petra 27
Porcelain Tower 22
Pyramids 25
Sistine Chapel 20
Statue of Liberty 22
Stonehenge 23
Sydney Opera House 18
Taj Mahal 20 (-2)

The big ben is amazing when combined with mercantilism and tithe.
Taj mahal is a waste of hammers for me. Not the weakest wonder in this game, but the weakest on this list (pyramids close second)
 
Koiranputki said:
I guess this comment goes to support the idea that most people don't like negative positives, so to speak....

While I agree, basically, with the comment, the Great Wall can be one of those things that you wish you had thought about grabbing before the AI who turns out to be your main rival got it....;)

Having said this, in my current game I couldn't get to it...usually it's always a lower priority....but this time it doesn't matter. When I eventually found the AI who did get it he isn't really very important....but other times it's turned out differently.

I think the Great Wall deserves a lot more love and respect than it's getting in this thread ...:lol:
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Even as a preventative measure I haven't found it important - Ramkhamhaeng captured the GW during one of my wars with him on Emperor (one of the rare occasions I wasn't playing as him - I think I was Pacal). I still had no trouble taking his cities. In most of my games someone else takes it (since I don't go for it), and I can't think of a case where I've even registered its existence and thought "damn, wish he didn't have the GW".
 
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