Republicans shoot down tax on rich

BSmith1068 · Apr 18, 2012

Patroklos said:
Does anyone want to guess what happens when you increas capital gains taxes to 30%?

How about you tell us? And when you do, please cite some sources, especially ones that are more than anecdote and opinion, and have actual data behind them.

Antilogic · Apr 18, 2012

BSmith1068 said:
How about you tell us? And when you do, please cite some sources, especially ones that are more than anecdote and opinion, and have actual data behind them.

I already asked, but it's only "left-wing" ideas that get source-trolled on this forum. Anything conservative is assumed by default to be right.

Farm Boy · Apr 18, 2012

Antilogic said:
I already asked, but it's only "left-wing" ideas that get source-trolled on this forum. Anything conservative is assumed by default to be right.

I can't agree with that. =/

Either that or you visit an entirely different subsection of threads than I do!

Cutlass · Apr 18, 2012

Farm Boy said:
I can't agree with that. =/

Either that or you visit an entirely different subsection of threads than I do!

I think there was a bit of snark to be found in his post... :mischief:

G-Max · Apr 18, 2012

Hmmm. Republicans and Democrats alike are making an epic spectacle out of a fight over a bill that would do almost nothing. Didn't Obama promise an end to politics as usual?

Arakhor · Apr 18, 2012

And the President has complete control over all of Congress and the Senate, naturally.

Farm Boy · Apr 18, 2012

G-Max said:
Didn't Obama promise an end to politics as usual?

It takes two to play that game. I am not a fan of our current President in a lot of regards, but one thing you have to give to give him is that he isn't stamping his foot and tantruming "no" to everything that resembles a compromise. Perhaps the only saving grace of our current "democrats" is that they are not our current "republicans."

G-Max · Apr 18, 2012

Arakhor said:
And the President has complete control over all of Congress and the Senate, naturally.

Perhaps Obama should have thought about that before making promises that he couldn't keep.

Farm Boy said:
It takes two to play that game. I am not a fan of our current President in a lot of regards, but one thing you have to give to give him is that he isn't stamping his foot and tantruming "no" to everything that resembles a compromise. Perhaps the only saving grace of our current "democrats" is that they are not our current "republicans."

The Republicans have also offered compromises that the Democrats shot down. You just don't hear about those in the liberal mainstream media.

Farm Boy · Apr 18, 2012

And I am a consumer of the liberal mainstream media? Bleh - gag me with a spoon! Like totally!

Don't read too much into that as a compliment of Obama, it really wasn't one.

BSmith1068 · Apr 18, 2012

G-Max said:
Perhaps Obama should have thought about that before making promises that he couldn't keep.

Well, its not for a lack of trying

G-Max said:
The Republicans have also offered compromises that the Democrats shot down. You just don't hear about those in the liberal mainstream media.

Give me some good examples of this. By good I mean not totally lopsided compromises that really arent compromises.

JollyRoger · Apr 18, 2012

G-Max said:
Hmmm. Republicans and Democrats alike are making an epic spectacle out of a fight over a bill that would do almost nothing. Didn't Obama promise an end to politics as usual?

Yeah, the Republicans are claiming the billions in revenue to be meaningless, forgetting about their rants regarding the so-called epic significance of the millions going to Planned Parenthood.

G-Max · Apr 18, 2012

BSmith1068 said:
Give me some good examples of this. By good I mean not totally lopsided compromises that really arent compromises.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-5093897-503544.html
http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2011/07/debt-fight-dems-reject-republican-compromise/116742

JollyRoger said:
Yeah, the Republicans are claiming the billions in revenue to be meaningless, forgetting about their rants regarding the so-called epic significance of the millions going to Planned Parenthood.

They want to defund PP because of abortions and because federal funding of private orgs is unconstitutional, not because of any budgetary concerns.

JollyRoger · Apr 18, 2012

G-Max said:
They want to defund PP because of abortions and because federal funding of private orgs is unconstitutional, not because of any budgetary concerns.

Then why did they empasize the size of the expense while ranting on the floors of the House and Senate?

Cutlass · Apr 18, 2012

G-Max said:
The Republicans have also offered compromises that the Democrats shot down. You just don't hear about those in the liberal mainstream media.

At what point did the Republicans offer a "compromise" that did not require a complete capitulation by the Democrats?

downtown · Apr 18, 2012

G-Max said:
They want to defund PP because of abortions and because federal funding of private orgs is unconstitutional, not because of any budgetary concerns.

Federal funding for abortion has been illegal since 1976 (Hyde Amendment).

Also, of course it isn't unconstitutional. How do you think the government buys anything?

FriendlyFire · Apr 18, 2012

G-Max said:
They want to defund PP because of abortions and because federal funding of private orgs is unconstitutional, not because of any budgetary concerns.

Except when they went on TV and said that $300mil is a LOT of money.

Do you believe that all NGOs in Iraq as well as private security firms in Iraq and Afghanistain is unconstitutional too ?
Do you believe that subsidies given to private oil companies and corporations is unconstitutional too ?

G-Max · Apr 19, 2012

JollyRoger said:
Then why did they empasize the size of the expense while ranting on the floors of the House and Senate?

I'd guess that most of them still do not understand the difference between millions, billions, and trillions.

Cutlass said:
At what point did the Republicans offer a "compromise" that did not require a complete capitulation by the Democrats?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-5093897-503544.html
http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2011/07/debt-fight-dems-reject-republican-compromise/116742

downtown said:
Federal funding for abortion has been illegal since 1976 (Hyde Amendment).

The amendment is meaningless because money is fungible. Derp.

downtown said:
Also, of course it isn't unconstitutional.

Please cite the part of the Constitution that empowers Congress to donate money to charity.

downtown said:
How do you think the government buys anything?

By issuing debt.

FriendlyFire said:
Do you believe that all NGOs in Iraq as well as private security firms in Iraq and Afghanistain is unconstitutional too ?

No, because they're being paid to provide services to the government.

FriendlyFire said:
Do you believe that subsidies given to private oil companies and corporations is unconstitutional too ?

YES! Subsidies are not a valid exercise of the Interstate Commerce clause.

Leoreth · Apr 19, 2012

Tune in to our next episode of "Uphold the constitution to the detriment of all!".

Ajidica · Apr 19, 2012

Please cite the part of the Constitution that empowers Congress to donate money to charity.

Congress has the ability to distribute government revenue. I don't feel like tracking down the exact section but surely one as intimately associated with the Constitution as yourself can find the section I am refering to.

Crezth · Apr 19, 2012

G-Max said:
The Republicans have also offered compromises that the Democrats shot down. You just don't hear about those in the liberal mainstream media.

Hahahahahahahahahahaha.

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