Urdnot_Scott
Sultan
Holy Honecker, that is a stunning map.
Our World: Civilizations of the Modern Age Design Discussion
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SuperWaffle247
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I know, right? Beautiful. My only wish is for it to be my dark-gold-grey as a bg instead of red, but honestly? It probably looks better as is.
DoctorMcGann
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Continuing the East Germany hype, here's some icons!
Natan35
Mayor of St. Natansburg
Nice (Mc)stuff!
Urdnot_Scott
Sultan
Oh its all a little out of proportion really - I didn't mean for it to be a problem, I really don't care about credit whatsoever, just the fact that people think my designs are good enough to get made is enough for me
Oh I didn't see that design I was just going off of the OP - though I still think Natural Gas would best be covered in a decision or event. I could see either working way better than a UA thing:
Decision: Conduct a resource survey in the desert.
Costs: 1 Magistrates, 150gold*current era, 50
science*current era
Requirements: May only be enacted once per era, must be working at least 3 desert tiles and have researched Archaeology.
Rewards: Natural Gas resources have a chance to appear on desert tiles in the empire. Very small chance that the unique Natural Wonder 'Gate to Hell' appears near thecapital. For every oil, natural gas or coal resource in the empire, receive 50
Event: We've struck Gas!
Requirements: Have researched biology, have at least 3 desert tiles in the Empire. Chance increases with every era and for every desert tile in the Empire.
Options:
"This wealth will benefit this great nation immensely"
Some natural gas resources may appear on desert tiles around your empire. All cities enter a'We Love the King Day'.
"I am the nation, this wealth will benefit me, naturally!"
Some natural gas resources may appear on desert tiles around the
"Keep digging! Dig greedily and dig deep!"
Some of your workers may be killed and lose some
Zantonius Hamm
Gay anime communist
^Can you make a modern Norway without an oil focus in the uniques?
Can you make a Turkmenistan without a natural gas focus in the uniques?
My answer is 'no' to both. That's a Norwegian saying that.
Oh, and in this case 'uniques' also includes the UA.
Can you make a Turkmenistan without a natural gas focus in the uniques?
My answer is 'no' to both. That's a Norwegian saying that.
Oh, and in this case 'uniques' also includes the UA.
Urdnot_Scott
Sultan
Theres a difference between a civ which gets bonuses from oil and one whos primary attribute is 'gets oil'. Norway has used its oil to build a strong economy and that is something impressive and worth integrating into uniques. If Natural Gas was already a resource I wouldn't have a problem with granting bonuses based off of controlling lots of it.
My problem is when the civs UA is 'Receive copies of Natural Gas for settling in desert' because Turkmenistan doesn't choose where it settles. It hasn't achieved anything by being plonked on top of some of the largest gas fields in the world. I wouldn't want a modern Norways UA to be 'Upon entering the Atomic era, receive a buttload of oil resources' because I personally think its insulting.
My problem is when the civs UA is 'Receive copies of Natural Gas for settling in desert' because Turkmenistan doesn't choose where it settles. It hasn't achieved anything by being plonked on top of some of the largest gas fields in the world. I wouldn't want a modern Norways UA to be 'Upon entering the Atomic era, receive a buttload of oil resources' because I personally think its insulting.
Zantonius Hamm
Gay anime communist
Good point.
Natan35
Mayor of St. Natansburg
it('s ciztizens) have achieved subsides. and a lot of those.
Urdnot_Scott
Sultan
...Okay. I'm not sure what bearing this has on my disagreement
I'm not arguing that natural gas IRL hasn't been a bonus to Turkmenistan. I'm saying that a UA which grants the player copies of natural gas is wrong.
Scapegrace
Obvious Spambot
I agree that the natural gas thing has contributed to the path of Turkmen history, but I think it would definitely better serve as a decision or event than an integral part of the uniques. Especially not the whole "Door To Hell" thing, which is an awful idea to build a Civ around (and was why I offered my Turkmenbashi-themed idea in the first place). It's like giving an America split a UA based solely off Centralia, Pennsylvania. =]
SuperWaffle247
Secretary General
I am definitely persuaded by the arguments that Natural Gas shouldn't be in the UA. So that leaves us with a capital-focusing element plus Great Works giving Happiness. Are we happy with this? Scape, can you attempt to synthesize this? You had the brilliant capital ideas after all =]
I do want natural gas represented as a decision, though. It's interesting enough for htat.
I do want natural gas represented as a decision, though. It's interesting enough for htat.
Scapegrace
Obvious Spambot
UA: Turkmenbasy
Roads and Railroads only provide +5% bonuses to Gold and 
Production respectively, but increase those yields in the Capital by +15% for each City connected to your Trade Network in this manner. 
Great Works generate 
Happiness rather than 
Tourism.
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This is another thing that I think synergises well with what I want from the Civ - Capital is speshul, errywhere else is just whatever - and I like the idea of messing about with City Connections. It's also sneakily powerful, if you don't mind paying some GPT - notice that it doesn't say they have to be Turkmen cities. You can connect it to City-States for a handy-dandy gold and hammers boost in Ashgabat. Stronk Cap is stronk. =]
Roads and Railroads only provide +5% bonuses to
Gold and Production respectively, but increase those yields in the Capital by +15% for each City connected to your Trade Network in this manner. Great Works generate Happiness rather than Tourism.---
This is another thing that I think synergises well with what I want from the Civ - Capital is speshul, errywhere else is just whatever - and I like the idea of messing about with City Connections. It's also sneakily powerful, if you don't mind paying some GPT - notice that it doesn't say they have to be Turkmen cities. You can connect it to City-States for a handy-dandy gold and hammers boost in Ashgabat. Stronk Cap is stronk. =]
Natan35
Mayor of St. Natansburg
But no tourism?!
Its still a culture civ, but with no tourism...
Its still a culture civ, but with no tourism...
Scapegrace
Obvious Spambot
That's sort of the point. It's an entirely defensive culture civ - tourism being basically the sword to culture's shield - and therefore your great works generate happiness to deal with your gargantuan ideology pressure.
Urdnot_Scott
Sultan
I think that design is waay too punitive. Traditionally, UAs just offer a straight up bonus without trade-offs, the exception of course being India which is widely regarded as an extremely poor civ to play both fun-wise and in terms of strength. As much as it pains the ultra-orthodox designer in me, I can see one trade-off in the UA working, but both effects being punitive is a bit much. Especially since the second half literally rules out any chance of a culture victory. Id replace the second bit with simply
' Great works in the capital yield +2 happiness'
'
Great works in the capital yield +2 happiness'
I didn't read the thousand suggestions that were posted here, but whatever happened with tourism from oil/gas? That would have much more flavour and work nicely with the lack of tourism from great works.
And I don't think the design should be based around improving the capital to the detriment of your other cities since:
IMO this is a solid base for the UA, just needs something that's relevant in the early game:
Great Works yield happiness instead of tourism. Gain tourism from improved and again from traded Oil Resources, and the city working them gains +5% production per improved Oil.
And I don't think the design should be based around improving the capital to the detriment of your other cities since:
IMO this is a solid base for the UA, just needs something that's relevant in the early game:
Great Works yield happiness instead of tourism. Gain tourism from improved and again from traded Oil Resources, and the city working them gains +5% production per improved Oil.
Hoop Thrower
Cyberbolivarian Inkarri
Read the suggestions above to understand then.
In short words: Too stereotypical.
As for the UA, maybe something like no Great Work slots in non-capital cities but twice as many in the capital? Certainly better than my prior idea of twice as many National Wonders.
Funny how Turkmenistan became the most discussed civ.
In short words: Too stereotypical.
As for the UA, maybe something like no Great Work slots in non-capital cities but twice as many in the capital? Certainly better than my prior idea of twice as many National Wonders.
Funny how Turkmenistan became the most discussed civ.
Too stereotypical? Arabia gets double Oil resources and Brazil has the carnaval as UA. Maybe it's stereotypical, but it portrays the civilization just fine and is not even offensive. Turkmenistan has its economy based around two things: Gas and Cotton. This is not an stereotype, it's a fact.
Urdnot_Scott
Sultan
I still think improving the capital to the detriment of othet cities is unfairly punitive; Vanilla France doesnt get halved theming bonus in all of its other cities. I still think the UA should be based around happiness and the cult of personality surrounding Turkmenbasi, with a Natural Gas decision. Tourism from natural gas seems VERY weird. When was the last time you heard a kid say to his dad
"Awhh, Disneyland? Dad cant we go to Turkmenistan for our holidays? I wanna see all their natural gas reserves! "
"Awhh, Disneyland? Dad cant we go to Turkmenistan for our holidays? I wanna see all their natural gas reserves! "
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