Nationalism vs. Internationalism

Truronian · Aug 14, 2005

I was wondering about peoples opinions on this particular political line. I'm interested as I'm the only person I know who's highly internationalist. I believe borders and countries only strengthen racial conflict, the rich/poor divide and military activity.

Winner · Aug 14, 2005

I've been often accused of anti-patriotism by my friends in Czech republic

Reno · Aug 14, 2005

A Nationalist, but not a Nationalist for Finland, but for EU.

Aphex_Twin · Aug 14, 2005

I'm pretty much international in my views, but I would not support a world government or a body so powerful as to regulate tax and other such matters at a global level. The ideal setting would be free movement of individuals and states competing for citizens.

Winner · Aug 14, 2005

Reno said:
A Nationalist, but not a Nationalist for Finland, but for EU.

Yeah, same for me. I am euro-nationalist, so I voted for fair internationalist

Truronian · Aug 14, 2005

I think a united EU would be excellent, because I don't like the ideas of major world powers (eg US at the moment, Chine in the future).

Gabryel Karolin · Aug 14, 2005

EU nationalist here too. Voted nationalist as well.

Reno · Aug 14, 2005

I think a united EU would be excellent, because I don't like the ideas of major world powers (eg US at the moment, Chine in the future)..

That's pretty controversial, since a totally united EU, would become a major World power.

Truronian · Aug 14, 2005

Reno said:
That's pretty controversial, since a totally united EU, would become a major World power.

Yes, but there would not just be one. Superpowers tend not to fight (eg Cold War) and so I think having a few major powers rather than one would be good for peace

Godwynn · Aug 14, 2005

Truronian said:
Yes, but there would not just be one. Superpowers tend not to fight (eg Cold War) and so I think having a few major powers rather than one would be good for peace

I agree that they would not want to fight, but if they did it would be disastrous for humanity (nuclear war).

Strider · Aug 14, 2005

A Nation should always look after it's own citizens first. I've long thought we should return the the Pre-WWII state of mind. What happens in Europe is Europes problem, whath happens in Asia is Asia's problem.

Truronian · Aug 14, 2005

Godwynn said:
I agree that they would not want to fight, but if they did it would be disastrous for humanity (nuclear war).

I s'pose. Its kind of like nuclear power plants. They are more efficient, but they could meltdown.

sysyphus · Aug 14, 2005

I voted fairly internationalist.

I consider myself to be a patriot, but not a nationalist. The difference being that a partriot wants their country to be the best in the world, whereas a nationalist thinks it already is. My own usage of terms anyway.

Hitro · Aug 14, 2005

Internationalist in ideology, fairly internationalist in pragmatic terms.

SeleucusNicator · Aug 14, 2005

As I've argued extensively in other threads, Euro-Nationalism of the Winner/Marla sort is not a form of internationalism, but rather a broader form of nationalism. It may use internationalist rhetoric, but European Unification is ultimately a nationalist enterprise.

As a side note, I don't particularly like the word "nationalism", as I believe it presents an outdated image of the phenomenon. Nationalism implies unity behind a common ethnicity, and while this is accurate for nationalist movements in nation-states, who, after all, were founded on the basis of common ethnic heritage, it is no longer accurate for nationalism in the EU or in America. After all, these are both multi-ethnic states. There is no "European" or "American" ethnicity.

I prefer "Patriotism" for that reason.

Gabryel Karolin · Aug 14, 2005

Could mean a cultural heritage as well. Not just ethnical.

kronic · Aug 14, 2005

European nationalism is no better than French, German, British or American nationalism.

Syterion · Aug 14, 2005

Probably neutral. I feel that the nations that have realized they are fairly similar politically(EU) have come together and become more international, and that is to be expected, and nations that differ in politics and have more power have become nationalist(US, China, Russia). Interesting thread though.

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luiz · Aug 14, 2005

Aphex_Twin said:
I'm pretty much international in my views, but I would not support a world government or a body so powerful as to regulate tax and other such matters at a global level. The ideal setting would be free movement of individuals and states competing for citizens.

My views precisely. There should be free movement of people, goods and services worldide, but the thought of one single world government seems a bit scary to me.

And I've also been accused by my fellow countrymen of anti-patriotism, and that is a truthfull accusation. I truly dislike patriotism.

ComradeDavo · Aug 14, 2005

Internationalist - I want a united world, and I (try and) think globally.

Nationalism vs. Internationalism

Would you consider yourself Nationalist or Internationalist?

Nationalist (Think all countries look after their own intrests)

Fairly Nationalist

Neutral (Think current world political situation is effective)

Fairly Internationalist

Internationalist (Think all politics should be on a world level (eg. Global Tax))

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Diverse in Unity

Quite unfamiliar

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