CurtSibling
ENEMY ACE™
Intersting idea! Using the existing structure and adding levels might be more elegant (and save unit slots), but this solution could a good alternative. 
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CurtSibling
ENEMY ACE™
May have been asked already, but there is no way to add more techs to the list? I may be wrong but was it mentioned that it might cause problems?
Tanelorn
Deity
Just a thought: maximizing the supported map size would also be very, very nice, if possible...
PlutonianEmpire
King of the Plutonian Empire
Do you mean 32767 tiles? Because ToTPP does enable 32767 tile maps already. 
Tanelorn
Deity
Gigamap size (32,767) has been available for many years now, thanks to Mercator's map edit 2. Of course I mean more than that, c'mon!
A ranged attack for missle units (arrows, artillery, rockets, torpedoes, spells etc.) would be super cool too, but I am just dreaming here...
A ranged attack for missle units (arrows, artillery, rockets, torpedoes, spells etc.) would be super cool too, but I am just dreaming here...
Indeed!
At the risk of sounding like a broken record - that might be scriptable with lua. If a pressed key can trigger a lua event, one could define triggers for each of the eight neighboring fields ("q", "w", "e" etc) which are then checked for enemy units. At the same time the currently active unit is checked for its type. And then something happens.
(eg. 10% of current hps are subtracted, so it will never result in complete destruction, or ......) I guess the main issue would be balancing, but on the other hand it could be tailored to any specific needs of the scenario (fireball unlike artillery unlike arrows ...)
Let me go out on a limb and ask the direct question:
TNO, is there a "key pressed" trigger at the moment? Could there be one in principle?
(if you could get around to completing the lua guide thread I guess this would answer itself, but no pressure please!
)
Tanelorn
Deity
Agreed. All this is a huge burden on just one guys shoulders, and TNO work and dedication is phenomenal, and I have to say I am sincerely grateful for everything he has done already. Lua scripting by the community could take some workload off his plate, indeed.
@TNO: At the risk of sounding like a greedy brat again, could you add a pillage order for air units? Like stategic bombing against terrain improvements (roads, railroads, airfields, forts etc.), please?
@TNO: At the risk of sounding like a greedy brat again, could you add a pillage order for air units? Like stategic bombing against terrain improvements (roads, railroads, airfields, forts etc.), please?
CurtSibling
ENEMY ACE™
I think it is totally no exaggeration to state that TNO is a proper hero to the CIV2 mod community...
His hexxing that allowed unlimited gold, units and cities alone is enough to gain him the hall of fame.
I would even say that I would be happy to make a donation via paypal to show my thanks,
and I am sure others here would also donate to him if he needed any support to continue...
Just saying...!
His hexxing that allowed unlimited gold, units and cities alone is enough to gain him the hall of fame.
I would even say that I would be happy to make a donation via paypal to show my thanks,
and I am sure others here would also donate to him if he needed any support to continue...
Just saying...!
DolphyBlueDrake
Chieftain
I have a suggestion/request: I tried to make a modded version of the Scifi game where after FTL ship arrived or you opened the EarthGate, you returned to find an Earth conquered by another planet, forcing you to have to liberate the planet to actually get any help from the Terrans. But I didn't want to remove one of the four maps to add Earth, so I presumed that because the Rules.txt file has eight bits for goody huts on maps but each bit is for only one map, that I could throw in a fifth map by modifying the rules.txt file and some other text files in my mod to accommodate the existence of an Earth map being map five. I knew there was no way to have an eighth civ serve as the super antagonist without using the Barbarians, so I was going to change the purple civs into the oppressor race.
But, when I tried to load it, it still only had 4 maps. I know there's enough bits in the goody hut line to support up to eight maps, but nothing else seems to allow for it. My first request is a feature to allow modification of the Rules.txt file to add maps beyond the fourth map, up to an eighth map, more space for custom units, techs and improvements (I need to grant the oppressors their own tech tree and units to separate them from both the humans and the klackons), an extra city style for just the oppressors, a way to make it where it's impossible to even have a cease-fire with the oppressors, and, if at all possible, a spot for an eighth civ besides the barbarians so I can keep the original twenty-one civ options and have the oppressor race be an extra color (maybe even allow the choosing of their color through hex values?). It doesn't matter if not all of them can be done. But the one I really hope can be done is allowing more map layers. I can adjust to not being able to get any of the other things I requested.
EDIT: Didn't realize the unit limit had been increased to 127. How do I put extra units in the Rules.txt? What are the specifics for adding them?
EDIT2: If someone could lua script such things for me instead, or teach me how I could pull it off, please let me know. TNO has already created an amazing patch to breathe new life into an old game that I love, and he has a bunch of stuff on his plate already, so I'd love to know if I can already do these things to take the pressure off him.
EDIT3: I agree with Curt. I'd gladly donate to help TNO out so he can continue... If I weren't flat broke, anyway (I truly don't have even a cent to my name right now, and I'm unemployed. But that's changing soon, so If he needs donations some time down the road, I'll gladly donate to help him out once my folks are finished setting up the new family business and we start making revenue).
But, when I tried to load it, it still only had 4 maps. I know there's enough bits in the goody hut line to support up to eight maps, but nothing else seems to allow for it. My first request is a feature to allow modification of the Rules.txt file to add maps beyond the fourth map, up to an eighth map, more space for custom units, techs and improvements (I need to grant the oppressors their own tech tree and units to separate them from both the humans and the klackons), an extra city style for just the oppressors, a way to make it where it's impossible to even have a cease-fire with the oppressors, and, if at all possible, a spot for an eighth civ besides the barbarians so I can keep the original twenty-one civ options and have the oppressor race be an extra color (maybe even allow the choosing of their color through hex values?). It doesn't matter if not all of them can be done. But the one I really hope can be done is allowing more map layers. I can adjust to not being able to get any of the other things I requested.
EDIT: Didn't realize the unit limit had been increased to 127. How do I put extra units in the Rules.txt? What are the specifics for adding them?
EDIT2: If someone could lua script such things for me instead, or teach me how I could pull it off, please let me know. TNO has already created an amazing patch to breathe new life into an old game that I love, and he has a bunch of stuff on his plate already, so I'd love to know if I can already do these things to take the pressure off him.
EDIT3: I agree with Curt. I'd gladly donate to help TNO out so he can continue... If I weren't flat broke, anyway (I truly don't have even a cent to my name right now, and I'm unemployed. But that's changing soon, so If he needs donations some time down the road, I'll gladly donate to help him out once my folks are finished setting up the new family business and we start making revenue).
I would also be more than willing to contribute if that would help the project in any way. ToTPP has given Civ2 scenario creation the shot in the arm it needed. Just when you think this wonderful old game is breathing it's last something new comes along and I'm addicted again
Now that is a really good idea. It would really solve the old strategic bombing dilemma for scenario designers. For example in WWII scenarios German industry could be dependent on mines (also representing oil fields) and the Allied bombers could be put to good use bombing (pillaging).
You know, I was about to type my usual "Let's lua ..." - but then I noticed that according to the lua scripting guide, the terrain improvement flag can only be read, not set in lua scripts.
At least for now.
In general i think this would again make a prime example of the power of scripting - implementing it in the main code would of course be a very good solution too, but on the other hand one could do some real fun stuff with scripting (like, only mines can be destroyed but not roads etc) ...
@TNO: Echoing the "at the risk of sounding like a greedy brat" sentiment - do you think that lua extensions might be possible? Or perhaps even creatable by community input in some way so it's not all on your shoulders?
TheNamelessOne
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That would work, though it would work the same way as the option in the cheat menu, with similar problems (like a tribe getting a free second turn for instance).
And another concerning triggers (very much looking forward to that section in your documentation btw
All triggers are currently described in the "migrating events to lua" document (need to get back to that documentation thread
). That's all there is for now, though this would be a good addition.I think you may have found a bug there. Will investigate.
Just put it in events.lua. Take a look at the events.lua file for the Sci-fi game, distributed with the project for examples. Yes, you'd want to modify the unit name, but also add some checks to see for example if city.size > 1 to begin with. Otherwise you might end up with some unexpected results.
I was wondering about "Veteran" status lately, it would be fun if higher levels than "Veteran" could be implemented?
Perhaps a further status, of "Elite"...
Attainable using the same method as regular/veteran units are promoted, and giving another +50% attack, etc?
Is there also a way to use the "Veteran" system to add other upgrades to units?
Like more moves or more defence? Just a wild thought...
The veteran thing was mentioned before, it's on the list already. I agree it would be an interesting modification.
I don't see any technical objections, would need to add some unit flags for that. I'll put it on the list.
Well, it doesn't really replace it, if you don't put an events.lua file in your scenario, events from events.txt will still be loaded. Though it is currently not possible to load both macro and lua events. I can imagine that converting a scenario that's almost finished would be a pain. So let me stress that this isn't necessary at all, you'll just lose the extra functionality offered by the lua bindings. I won't drop support for the macro language in future versions of the project.
I agree, this could make adopting lua events a lot easier. I'll try to add a way to load both in the next release.
Yes, I think that would be an easy fix.
Adding extra techs would be about as difficult as adding the extra units. Not trivial, but definitely possible. This is already pretty high on my list btw.
That sounds interesting, and shouldn't be too hard. I'll take a look.
Thanks, I appreciate the gesture, but there's no need. If you could donate your free time though...
But seriously, the project will still continue as long as I'm able to work on it, just at its own pace. Sometimes I can spend more time on it, sometimes less. That's just a matter of balancing the project with RL stuff I'm sure everyone can relate to.
Well, the problem lies in the bindings with the game, you can write as much lua code as you want, but I'll have to supply the interface with the game. I guess it depends on what you mean by "extensions". You could write a utility library in lua that provides higher level functions on top of the civ library (just like the civlua library), and use it in scenarios.
Metro Polis
Warlord
I don't know if it's already on your list. Is it possible to have a flag for unit you can bribe and which you can't? I think of unique units only a special civ is allowed to have.
Thorvald of Lym
A Little Sketchy
@UNITS_ADVANCED column C in Rules.txt specifies minimum bribe amount. Set it to -1 to prevent subversion.
Metro Polis
Warlord
Thanks!
tootall_2012
King
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Hi TNO,
I was playing Curt's new Bitterfrost scenario this weekend when I started noticing as well that all the units I was building were homed to NONE. At first, I thought maybe Curt had somehow done this on purpose and was planning on asking him how he did it.
But having read ElderDarkDragon's thread and your feedback that this might be a bug, I decided to run a quick test on my own ongoing project and see that I'm encountering the same issue (I haven't begun the testing phase yet, so that's why I didn't see the problem before now).
I have the most recent version of TOTPP installed, i.e. 0.14. and have the game folder installed on 'C:\Sid Meier's Civilization Chronicles'.
Let me know if you require further information.
PlutonianEmpire
King of the Plutonian Empire
Do the new Lua scripting events enable the changing of leader names/genders or the changing of the AI playing style (such as from aggressive militaristic to rational expansionist) midway through scenarios? Or is that still in the plans for a future release?
Patine
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I had already asked TNO about the leader name and gender, and even the tribe name, and he had said it SHOULD be possible, if I recall correctly. I hadn't asked about changing personality attributes mid-game, but then again, how reliable is the AI as is to follow the ones they have, really? I still remember shortly after buying my first copy of Civ2 back in the mid '90's, my friend was trying an early game on my computer, which I bought the same day, and I suddenly heard from the room the surprised and shocked exclamation, "Gandhi is making threats!".
PlutonianEmpire
King of the Plutonian Empire
My apologies. Serves me right for not paying attention. :/
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